Character Discussion Teach is overrated.

[gz89]

First of all before every Erkan-like member of this forum gang up on me i have to say that yes, Teach will end up as a top tier fighter narrative wise but the thing is that both he and his crew lack hype moments.
To catch up with "blah blah Mihawk no hype, Dragon no hype" etc, BB was established as the final or one of the final enemies of the MC of the story so its not the same thing.

Yes i know he is an anti-Luffy, he is progressing with him and all these things but lets be honest, the guy was introduced 20 years ago and his top moments are these:

BB vs Ace - win
BB vs Magellan - BB gets stomped tho Mag's df is a tricky one.
BB vs Luffy - i dont like bringing up pre ts skirmishes but his screams against a hakiless g2 Luffy was a disgrace to the character.
BB vs WB - Deadbeard was about to finish him despite the fact that he had no more than 1-2% hp and he was ganged up by BBP
BB vs Garp/Sengoku - imo if the battle would last longer BBP would be destroyed, he was lucky that Shanks arrived and stopped the war.
BB runs away from Akainu was also a bad portrayal although i believe that if they decided to gang up on him they could win.
BB at AL was also a bad portrayal, because even if Ray admitted that he couldnt defeat him at his age its still looking bad that he traveled all they way to obtain Hancock's df only to run away from an old man.

All in all, my point is that Oda didnt handle well his character and missed many opportunities to establish him as a final opponent material.

 

[milluki]

Hype will come out of BBP vs RHP

 

[Kyou]

Hype will come out of BBP vs RHP

I just don’t see the hype with the crew

like bb himself yes the rest are

there like the z fighters

we all know there not doing much

but who knows maybe next chapter it will change

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Everybody gangsta and trashing on Teach until he pulls a big Zehahahahaha W against Red Hair Pirates and become the Pirate King/King of the World.

 

[MUUGEN]

First of all before every Erkan-like member of this forum gang up on me i have to say that yes, Teach will end up as a top tier fighter narrative wise but the thing is that both he and his crew lack hype moments.
To catch up with "blah blah Mihawk no hype, Dragon no hype" etc, BB was established as the final or one of the final enemies of the MC of the story so its not the same thing.

Yes i know he is an anti-Luffy, he is progressing with him and all these things but lets be honest, the guy was introduced 20 years ago and his top moments are these:

BB vs Ace - win
BB vs Magellan - BB gets stomped tho Mag's df is a tricky one.
BB vs Luffy - i dont like bringing up pre ts skirmishes but his screams against a hakiless g2 Luffy was a disgrace to the character.
BB vs WB - Deadbeard was about to finish him despite the fact that he had no more than 1-2% hp and he was ganged up by BBP
BB vs Garp/Sengoku - imo if the battle would last longer BBP would be destroyed, he was lucky that Shanks arrived and stopped the war.
BB runs away from Akainu was also a bad portrayal although i believe that if they decided to gang up on him they could win.
BB at AL was also a bad portrayal, because even if Ray admitted that he couldnt defeat him at his age its still looking bad that he traveled all they way to obtain Hancock's df only to run away from an old man.

All in all, my point is that Oda didnt handle well his character and missed many opportunities to establish him as a final opponent material.

hes actually been heavily underrated since Impel Down - Magellan then where Luffy blitzed him with G2 even after the fact that it is heavily implied and stated that he takes and absorbs more damage due to his DF.

I think with the Ace win looking at it, it was pushed to extreme diffs and with the Ace novels coming out its clear the dude was YC3/4 during the time he fought Jinbei then WB immediately following, add in a couple years after that he should've been ranked closer to a clear YC2 possibly even YC1 at the time of his death. You then have WB and Crew telling him not to go after BB while Shanks went and opposed WB himself to call Ace back. Shanks the dude we just saw one shot Kidd from miles away. ID/MF Teach was a clear YC1 with Yami and possibly even before it but a clear YC3/2 w/out Yami add in Gura and he should be a clear Yonko.

Teach "running" away is cause hes smart and will avoid fights if they arent needed.... Shanks at MF that was a clear fight he said his crew wasnt ready to face yet. Akainu there was no reason to fight there he just wanted to gain something from capturing Bonney and use her as a bargaining chip but it didnt go as planned, such as he is now using Koby. Why would he run the risk of fighting Rayleigh a living legend when he was second to the true PK, your logic makes no sense, even Kizaru ended up bitching out from a fatigues sweating old man Ray, your logic makes no sense there. Moreso Teach has seen Rayleigh in action and knows him from his PRime so that just goes to showcase the respect he actually has for the guy same with WB he wouldve never attempted to steal his DF cause he knows and understands their strength.

funny enough you avoided adding in the Payback War where its been stated that Marco and the remnants got absolutely demolished and I have Marco as a clear Yonko candidate given his showing of just holding off King, Queen and Pero without much effort while waiting for Zoro and Sanji to come and defeat them.

but its safe to assume you hold Ace in a low regard as well...

 

[gz89]

hes actually been heavily underrated since Impel Down - Magellan then where Luffy blitzed him with G2 even after the fact that it is heavily implied and stated that he takes and absorbs more damage due to his DF.

I think with the Ace win looking at it, it was pushed to extreme diffs and with the Ace novels coming out its clear the dude was YC3/4 during the time he fought Jinbei then WB immediately following, add in a couple years after that he should've been ranked closer to a clear YC2 possibly even YC1 at the time of his death. You then have WB and Crew telling him not to go after BB while Shanks went and opposed WB himself to call Ace back. Shanks the dude we just saw one shot Kidd from miles away. ID/MF Teach was a clear YC1 with Yami and possibly even before it but a clear YC3/2 w/out Yami add in Gura and he should be a clear Yonko.

Teach "running" away is cause hes smart and will avoid fights if they arent needed.... Shanks at MF that was a clear fight he said his crew wasnt ready to face yet. Akainu there was no reason to fight there he just wanted to gain something from capturing Bonney and use her as a bargaining chip but it didnt go as planned, such as he is now using Koby. Why would he run the risk of fighting Rayleigh a living legend when he was second to the true PK, your logic makes no sense, even Kizaru ended up bitching out from a fatigues sweating old man Ray, your logic makes no sense there. Moreso Teach has seen Rayleigh in action and knows him from his PRime so that just goes to showcase the respect he actually has for the guy same with WB he wouldve never attempted to steal his DF cause he knows and understands their strength.

funny enough you avoided adding in the Payback War where its been stated that Marco and the remnants got absolutely demolished and I have Marco as a clear Yonko candidate given his showing of just holding off King, Queen and Pero without much effort while waiting for Zoro and Sanji to come and defeat them.

but its safe to assume you hold Ace in a low regard as well...

This thing about how smart he is and that he avoids fights has become a joke. Never said he isnt smart but If he had done it once i could understand it but everytime a strong opponent appears he doesnt even have a small skirmish just for some hype, instead Oda has him go away.

I just forgot to add about his battle against the remnats of WBP its not that i avoided it but how defeating Marco,Vista,crippled Jozu and some commanders that are VA level material is hype moment ? Even Meme with one or two of her top commanders would take them down. Without WB they arent something special for the top guys.

Again, im not saying Teach will not end up as a top tier, all im saying is that Oda missed countless opportunities to have him established as a really strong guy so we dont have to wait for decades to take down the RHP and be hyped.

 

[NAMELESS]

First of all before every Erkan-like member of this forum gang up on me i have to say that yes, Teach will end up as a top tier fighter narrative wise but the thing is that both he and his crew lack hype moments.
To catch up with "blah blah Mihawk no hype, Dragon no hype" etc, BB was established as the final or one of the final enemies of the MC of the story so its not the same thing.

Yes i know he is an anti-Luffy, he is progressing with him and all these things but lets be honest, the guy was introduced 20 years ago and his top moments are these:

BB vs Ace - win
BB vs Magellan - BB gets stomped tho Mag's df is a tricky one.
BB vs Luffy - i dont like bringing up pre ts skirmishes but his screams against a hakiless g2 Luffy was a disgrace to the character.
BB vs WB - Deadbeard was about to finish him despite the fact that he had no more than 1-2% hp and he was ganged up by BBP
BB vs Garp/Sengoku - imo if the battle would last longer BBP would be destroyed, he was lucky that Shanks arrived and stopped the war.
BB runs away from Akainu was also a bad portrayal although i believe that if they decided to gang up on him they could win.
BB at AL was also a bad portrayal, because even if Ray admitted that he couldnt defeat him at his age its still looking bad that he traveled all they way to obtain Hancock's df only to run away from an old man.

All in all, my point is that Oda didnt handle well his character and missed many opportunities to establish him as a final opponent material.

Garp falling by his hands would be good portrayal and set up.
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This thing about how smart he is and that he avoids fights has become a joke. Never said he isnt smart but If he had done it once i could understand it but everytime a strong opponent appears he doesnt even have a small skirmish just for some hype, instead Oda has him go away.

I just forgot to add about his battle against the remnats of WBP its not that i avoided it but how defeating Marco,Vista,crippled Jozu and some commanders that are VA level material is hype moment ? Even Meme with one or two of her top commanders would take them down. Without WB they arent something special for the top guys.

Again, im not saying Teach will not end up as a top tier, all im saying is that Oda missed countless opportunities to have him established as a really strong guy so we dont have to wait for decades to take down the RHP and be hyped.

I get the feeling that BBP will fall before the RHP.Luffy giving back the straw hat is a moment everyone has being waiting for since chapter 1.Shanks needs to survive long enough until Luffy can fight him.

 

[Herrera95]

BB vs Ace - win

Unsure of who won final clash. Could had be a draw. Ace could have won and get captured by Teach's crew.

BB runs away from Akainu was also a bad portrayal although i believe that if they decided to gang up on him they could win.

No way Akainu that endured WB's attacks would lose to pre-timeskip Teach. Not even current Teach. Even with all his crew that didn't know haki at time.

Aside from that I agree. Teach is overrated. People misinterpretate a character that SHOULD be strong as a character that is already strong.

Teach should be strong. He isn't strong already.

 

[gz89]

Garp falling by his hands would be good portrayal and set up.
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I get the feeling that BBP will fall before the RHP.Luffy giving back the straw hat is a moment everyone has being waiting for since chapter 1.Shanks needs to survive long enough until Luffy can fight him.

Im not a fan of BB killing Shanks theory either tbh but many people believe this.

 

[MUUGEN]

This thing about how smart he is and that he avoids fights has become a joke. Never said he isnt smart but If he had done it once i could understand it but everytime a strong opponent appears he doesnt even have a small skirmish just for some hype, instead Oda has him go away.

I just forgot to add about his battle against the remnats of WBP its not that i avoided it but how defeating Marco,Vista,crippled Jozu and some commanders that are VA level material is hype moment ? Even Meme with one or two of her top commanders would take them down. Without WB they arent something special for the top guys.

Again, im not saying Teach will not end up as a top tier, all im saying is that Oda missed countless opportunities to have him established as a really strong guy so we dont have to wait for decades to take down the RHP and be hyped.

so you agree he is smart?

in the same breath also dont agree with him avoiding fights when they arent needed, just like how Luffy and Co avoided a fight with Fuji and a real fight with BMP. Whats the point of having off paneled skirmishes for Teach. what value do they add to the story? Akainu isnt going to be anybody else's opponent other than Sabo and/or Luffys. So why on earth would you have Teach and Akainu actually clash, when Akainu isnt the type to just "clash" he went to Teach for a reason.

So WBP are scrubs Marco the guy who 1v3 YC1/2 level fighters and Shanks continuously has been trying to get to join his crew, fought against Admirals on par. While you have Jozu who stopped Mihawks mountain busters and was clashing evenly with Aokiji then you have Vista the Goat who by your own logic Mihawk ran away from and avoided fighting him.

no you said he overhyped while being a clear Yonko and was a clear YC2 pre-timeskip.

Teach already is a Top Tier.


your arguments are flawed and you just sound like a baseless hater.

 

[NAMELESS]

Im not a fan of BB killing Shanks theory either tbh but many people believe this.

I think Garp will trigger the next arc,some hachinosu raid by the straw hats and grand fleet.BlackBeard doesn't really need or deserves to be the final Yonko to fall.Shanks would be better imo.

 

[MagnetoEustassKidd]

If teach is overrated then One Piece is overrated.

Which it is.

 

[gz89]

so you agree he is smart?

in the same breath also dont agree with him avoiding fights when they arent needed, just like how Luffy and Co avoided a fight with Fuji and a real fight with BMP. Whats the point of having off paneled skirmishes for Teach. what value do they add to the story? Akainu isnt going to be anybody else's opponent other than Sabo and/or Luffys. So why on earth would you have Teach and Akainu actually clash, when Akainu isnt the type to just "clash" he went to Teach for a reason.

So WBP are scrubs Marco the guy who 1v3 YC1/2 level fighters, fought against Admirals on par. While you have Jozu who stopped Mihawks mountain busters and was clashing evenly with Aokiji then you have Vista the Goat who by your own logic Mihawk ran away from and avoided fighting him.

no you said he overhyped while being a clear Yonko and was a clear YC2 pre-timeskip.

Teach already is a Top Tier.


your arguments are flawed and you just sound like a baseless hater.

Skirmishes usually used in manga to hype characters.. No need for a full head on battle. He could exchange some gura punches with Akainu and/or Shanks and go away instead of saying "zehaha we are not ready yet blah blah" always.

WB remnants are exactly what you said, scrubs. Akainu took them head on all alone after WB's death in MF so BB & his commanders winning against them is nothing special.

 

[NAMELESS]

If teach is overrated then One Piece is overrated.

Which it is.

pre skip piece was so much better.
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Skirmishes usually used in manga to hype characters.. No need for a full head on battle. He could exchange some gura punches with Akainu and/or Shanks and go away instead of saying "zehaha we are not ready yet blah blah" always.

WB remnants are exactly what you said, scrubs. Akainu took them head on all alone after WB's death in MF so BB & his commanders winning against them is nothing special.

well,he did beat Ace and take on Sengoku and Garp at the same time.

 

[MUUGEN]

Skirmishes usually used in manga to hype characters.. No need for a full head on battle. He could exchange some gura punches with Akainu and/or Shanks and go away instead of saying "zehaha we are not ready yet blah blah" always.

WB remnants are exactly what you said, scrubs. Akainu took them head on all alone after WB's death in MF so BB & his commanders winning against them is nothing special.

again what exactly would those skirmishes add to the storyline?

why would BB and Akainu clash for what purpose?, especially when it wouldve just been off paneled.

why would Teach fight Shanks and his entire crew with a newly found and formed crew and no control over Gura?

thats being smart, yes they werent ready yet, the BBP wasnt even formed yet that was an entire setup to gain his crew. if its so important why didnt Shanks just blitz him right then and there or why didnt Akainu just attack him there?

thats liek saying any of the WG crews souldve stupidly fought RHP.

roight i called them scrubs?

funny forgot they were fighting an army of marines and admirals all at the same time yet no one couldve actually defeat them not even your precious Akainu who you are saying Teach shouldnt have been scared to face off against. like i said your logic is flawed.

LMK when you have another character like Marco who is so sought after by the clear #1 Yonko and Top Tier caliber Shanks while he was easily making light work of King Queen and Pero, while pretimeskip he was matching Kizaru and as a teen he was clashing with the PKs right hand man, but hes just a scrub........

if anythign portrayal wise Marco>Mihawk given we have panels and proof of all of Marcos clashes with every Top Tier in the series while Mihawks best feat was neg diffing Zoro.

come talk to me when you have some valid points and arguments.
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BB vs Ace - win

I think with the Ace win looking at it, it was pushed to extreme diffs and with the Ace novels coming out its clear the dude was YC3/4 during the time he fought Jinbei then WB immediately following, add in a couple years after that he should've been ranked closer to a clear YC2 possibly even YC1 at the time of his death. You then have WB and Crew telling him not to go after BB while Shanks went and opposed WB himself to call Ace back. Shanks the dude we just saw one shot Kidd from miles away. ID/MF Teach was a clear YC1 with Yami and possibly even before it but a clear YC3/2 w/out Yami add in Gura and he should be a clear Yonko.

You also avoided any talk or confrontation of discussing Ace in your argument here.

You used pretimeskip ID clash with Luffy as a basis of your argument yet forgot a base punch from Teach put Luffy in more Damage than Luffys G2 Jet Pistol did to Teach and a base chop from Teach sent Ace flying as well....

 

[gz89]

again what exactly would those skirmishes add to the storyline?

why would BB and Akainu clash for what purpose?, especially when it wouldve just been off paneled.

why would Teach fight Shanks and his entire crew with a newly found and formed crew and no control over Gura?

thats being smart, yes they werent ready yet, the BBP wasnt even formed yet that was an entire setup to gain his crew. if its so important why didnt Shanks just blitz him right then and there or why didnt Akainu just attack him there?

thats liek saying any of the WG crews souldve stupidly fought RHP.

roight i called them scrubs?

funny forgot they were fighting an army of marines and admirals all at the same time yet no one couldve actually defeat them not even your precious Akainu who you are saying Teach shouldnt have been scared to face off against. like i said your logic is flawed.

LMK when you have another character like Marco who is so sought after by the clear #1 Yonko and Top Tier caliber Shanks while he was easily making light work of King Queen and Pero, while pretimeskip he was matching Kizaru and as a teen he was clashing with the PKs right hand man, but hes just a scrub........

if anythign portrayal wise Marco>Mihawk given we have panels and proof of all of Marcos clashes with every Top Tier in the series while Mihawks best feat was neg diffing Zoro.

come talk to me when you have some valid points and arguments.
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You also avoided any talk or confrontation of discussing Ace in your argument here.

You used pretimeskip ID clash with Luffy as a basis of your argument yet forgot a base punch from Teach put Luffy in more Damage than Luffys G2 Jet Pistol did to Teach and a base chop from Teach sent Ace flying as well....

Running away constantly is not a good portrayal.

lmao at "your precious Akainu" comment. Its not only about him, it happened 3 times. Shanks,Akainu and then Ray.

The 95% of WB's remnants are fodders to top tier fighters.

Ace was not a top tier.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Shiryu-sama is the key:cheers::cheers::cheers:

 

[ShadowStyle369]

BB is severely underrated Personally i think he has been handled well ....People call him a coward from running away or using peoples emotions against them, they say he has no ambition or coc haki because of his actions when every step of the way this guy has had motives and plans and for the most part every step of the way it works...ex. playing wb pirates for years just for a fruit,becoming warlord,impel down crew,getting wb fruit, even now my man is planning to become a actual king and it looks like he is trying to get to imu spot.

We see on guard shanks being able to see 10 sec into the future

and be able to do something like this to stop it

And even though this was pre timeskip u can not downplay this feat from BB ,which matters the most now that wee see what current shanks can do

This is BB best feat to date and as a reminder shanks even says he was not being care free he was on guard

Heck shanks own words right after should speak volumes: DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING WHITEBEARD?

The same wb that saw and still talked about the legendary duels between shanks and mihawk had to be told and corrected on just how dangerous a person teach was by shanks because he experienced something first hand from bb....All the feats you mentioned pale in comparison to those scratches over shanks eye because we have proof of how serious a on guard shanks in the manga. Heck even the fact that shanks is looking for this man like orochi was looking for the scabbards should say something...bb portrayal is and should be at a all time high but the downplay just continues.

 

[Cruxroux]

Only Awakening can save BB.

 

[gz89]

Only Awakening can save BB.

You mean his zoan awakening ?