Speculations That unfinished Toast...
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If Jinbe dies Luffy would probably break again like when Ace died and I have my doubts he would recover from that one.
I've always found these theories of Jinbe dying to be a little bit sick, and not in a good way. I'm not trying to disrespect you personally, let's get that right, but you're considering the death of the very crewmate that directly helped Luffy to overcome Ace's death by reminding how he still has his crewmates, a process that derived in the promise of becoming stronger and not letting anyone else die after failing to save his own brother.
Of course Luffy can't stop everybody from dying; he had no word on Pedro's choice to help them escape, for example. But we are talking about a crewmate here, and not only that, but the crewmate that helped him overcome Ace's death thanks to having a crew he promised himself to protect no matter what.
If Jinbe dies, Luffy quits from becoming Pirate King. And I'm serious here.
I've always found these theories of Jinbe dying to be a little bit sick, and not in a good way. I'm not trying to disrespect you personally, let's get that right, but you're considering the death of the very crewmate that directly helped Luffy to overcome Ace's death by reminding how he still has his crewmates, a process that derived in the promise of becoming stronger and not letting anyone else die after failing to save his own brother.
Of course Luffy can't stop everybody from dying; he had no word on Pedro's choice to help them escape, for example. But we are talking about a crewmate here, and not only that, but the crewmate that helped him overcome Ace's death thanks to having a crew he promised himself to protect no matter what.
If Jinbe dies, Luffy quits from becoming Pirate King. And I'm serious here.
Some would argue the emotional impact, but I’m not sure that’s greater than what such a move would sacrifice narratively. We don’t NEED to see someone important die; Inu and Neko are both still alive, but losing their limbs makes their story a lot more interesting than if they’d straight up lost their lives. IF - and that word is doing a lot of work here - one of the SHP dies, it’ll be at or near the end of the story; they should all survive Wano, for better or worse, when they’ll likely be considered one of the most powerful crews on the sea. Killing off an essential character would be counterproductive.
Yes I agree. If Jinbe dies, it would be hard for Luffy to move on and becoming PK.
"Without you, I can't become PK", said Luffy to Sanji.
I think he postponed the toast just to throw a bigger party at the end of the war with all people of Wano & alliance. Or maybe there's another person to join the crew. I hope hahaha
"Without you, I can't become PK", said Luffy to Sanji.
I think he postponed the toast just to throw a bigger party at the end of the war with all people of Wano & alliance. Or maybe there's another person to join the crew. I hope hahaha
I personally think the unfinished toast is due to another straw hat joining, rather than one being taken away. The massive toast will celebrate the defeat of Kaido, freedom of Wano as well as the celebration of a new (and final) straw hat. With this arc, the crew will be complete and ready for the final stretch of the story.
Regarding Jinbe specifically, they most certainly were death flags. This doesn't mean he's guaranteed to die, but it is certainly something that introduces the idea of it happening. And this has happened multiple times with Jinbe's character.
Anyone that can look at this panel and say there is ZERO chance of Jinbe dying is deluding themselves and in extreme denial. This of course doesn't mean he will die, but this is most certainly what you call a death flag.
And this isn't an isolated incident. This has happened many times. Flags on top of flags. With Jinbe's character specifically. Wouldn't be surprised if he does die at some point. Would burst out laughing if Meme just gobbled him up. But since Oda gave him a role on the crew, he'll survive at least Wano IMO.
Regarding Jinbe specifically, they most certainly were death flags. This doesn't mean he's guaranteed to die, but it is certainly something that introduces the idea of it happening. And this has happened multiple times with Jinbe's character.
Anyone that can look at this panel and say there is ZERO chance of Jinbe dying is deluding themselves and in extreme denial. This of course doesn't mean he will die, but this is most certainly what you call a death flag.
And this isn't an isolated incident. This has happened many times. Flags on top of flags. With Jinbe's character specifically. Wouldn't be surprised if he does die at some point. Would burst out laughing if Meme just gobbled him up. But since Oda gave him a role on the crew, he'll survive at least Wano IMO.
I do agree there's a need for impact, I just don't see how Jinbei or the SHs are the most likely options for a death. Sure, other deaths wouldnt be as significant, but still, Kinemon dying or I don't know, another scabbard. There's many options for it, I don't think a sh will be it especially Jinbei who just joined.
Don't worry, I'm here to allay your fears.
There is absolutely no chance in hell that Oda will kill Jinbei here. Killing Jinbei would, first and foremost, kill the series. Because that means Luffy would have failed in his timeskip promise of training so that a death like Ace's will never happen to him again. Just take a look at his reaction to Sanji simply leaving the crew- Luffy gave up. Said he wouldn't become Pirate King without him. Luffy does not want to become Pirate King without his crew.
Then from the perspective of the character of Jinbei and his plot in the story. It's utterly wasted if he dies here. All that build up of him becoming a Strawhat, giving him the dream of gaining equality for the Fishmen, and he dies on an isolated island without ever coming near his goal? Not going to happen.
Luffy stopped the party for the simple reason he said- he heard Kin'emon shouting, and thought hey, we can have one hell of a party later on with everyone else. At the most it's foreshadowing that he wants to celebrate someone else joining the crew later.
There is absolutely no chance in hell that Oda will kill Jinbei here. Killing Jinbei would, first and foremost, kill the series. Because that means Luffy would have failed in his timeskip promise of training so that a death like Ace's will never happen to him again. Just take a look at his reaction to Sanji simply leaving the crew- Luffy gave up. Said he wouldn't become Pirate King without him. Luffy does not want to become Pirate King without his crew.
Then from the perspective of the character of Jinbei and his plot in the story. It's utterly wasted if he dies here. All that build up of him becoming a Strawhat, giving him the dream of gaining equality for the Fishmen, and he dies on an isolated island without ever coming near his goal? Not going to happen.
Luffy stopped the party for the simple reason he said- he heard Kin'emon shouting, and thought hey, we can have one hell of a party later on with everyone else. At the most it's foreshadowing that he wants to celebrate someone else joining the crew later.
Exactly, any of the Scabbards have good cause to perish in the course of getting revenge for Oden...Raizo or Kiku would make more sense in this context than a newly-arrived Jinbe or any other Straw Hat. Again, I’m not clamoring for ANYONE to bite the dust because I like all those characters, but it makes way more sense for it to be anyone other than Luffy or the people directly under his command.
Man this just never ends.
Jinbe is a Straw hat now, he ain't gonna die for pete's sake. I've never seen the amount of desire for a death upon a straw hat more than Jinbe. Its ridiculous.
There is no point in speculating a jinbe death either. Oda spent so much time and build up for jinbe, ever since impel down when jinbe and Luffy first met. Jinbe has been the straw hat that has constantly been here and away before officially joining, met and left during the paramount war, met and left on fishman island, and met and left again on WCI. Jinbe is joining Wano and that's set in stone, there is no way Oda is gonna keep dragging this shit out, Jinbe becoming a straw hat is way overdue.
If Jinbe is dying in Wano after all this time and cock teasing then Oda's writing has really dropped the ball. Luffy would also be a failure of a captain and he should just give up on becoming the pirate king and finding one piece and just pack his bags and go home.
Luffy postponing the celebration was just the sensible and appropriate thing to do before a big battle against the yonko, Luffy knows it will be a tough challenge to overcome and celebrating too early could really ruin their focus.
There are also theories that someone else would also be joining after Wano, so the celebration would be held at the end with everyone together, just like how they did it with franky and robin back in the Water Seven arc.
If Oda wanted Jinbe to die and have an impactful death, then he would have done it back on WCI, no pointing in letting jinbe still survive to the Wano arc. Jinbe also won't be dying in the Wano arc either, Oda won't pull the same stunt twice, especially when he just used it in the last arc. The Wano arc is also a big arc and has too many characters, Jinbe's death wouldn't even be impactful enough.
So you can forget it and just rest about Jinbe dying already. So many hungry readers on this forum who want their whale shark fish and chips.
Jinbe is a Straw hat now, he ain't gonna die for pete's sake. I've never seen the amount of desire for a death upon a straw hat more than Jinbe. Its ridiculous.
There is no point in speculating a jinbe death either. Oda spent so much time and build up for jinbe, ever since impel down when jinbe and Luffy first met. Jinbe has been the straw hat that has constantly been here and away before officially joining, met and left during the paramount war, met and left on fishman island, and met and left again on WCI. Jinbe is joining Wano and that's set in stone, there is no way Oda is gonna keep dragging this shit out, Jinbe becoming a straw hat is way overdue.
If Jinbe is dying in Wano after all this time and cock teasing then Oda's writing has really dropped the ball. Luffy would also be a failure of a captain and he should just give up on becoming the pirate king and finding one piece and just pack his bags and go home.
Luffy postponing the celebration was just the sensible and appropriate thing to do before a big battle against the yonko, Luffy knows it will be a tough challenge to overcome and celebrating too early could really ruin their focus.
There are also theories that someone else would also be joining after Wano, so the celebration would be held at the end with everyone together, just like how they did it with franky and robin back in the Water Seven arc.
If Oda wanted Jinbe to die and have an impactful death, then he would have done it back on WCI, no pointing in letting jinbe still survive to the Wano arc. Jinbe also won't be dying in the Wano arc either, Oda won't pull the same stunt twice, especially when he just used it in the last arc. The Wano arc is also a big arc and has too many characters, Jinbe's death wouldn't even be impactful enough.
So you can forget it and just rest about Jinbe dying already. So many hungry readers on this forum who want their whale shark fish and chips.
Man this just never ends.
Jinbe is a Straw hat now, he ain't gonna die for pete's sake. I've never seen the amount of desire for a death upon a straw hat more than Jinbe. Its ridiculous.
There is no point in speculating a jinbe death either. Oda spent so much time and build up for jinbe, ever since impel down when jinbe and Luffy first met. Jinbe has been the straw hat that has constantly been here and away before officially joining, met and left during the paramount war, met and left on fishman island, and met and left again on WCI. Jinbe is joining Wano and that's set in stone, there is no way Oda is gonna keep dragging this shit out, Jinbe becoming a straw hat is way overdue.
If Jinbe is dying in Wano after all this time and cock teasing then Oda's writing has really dropped the ball. Luffy would also be a failure of a captain and he should just give up on becoming the pirate king and finding one piece and just pack his bags and go home.
Luffy postponing the celebration was just the sensible and appropriate thing to do before a big battle against the yonko, Luffy knows it will be a tough challenge to overcome and celebrating too early could really ruin their focus.
There are also theories that someone else would also be joining after Wano, so the celebration would be held at the end with everyone together, just like how they did it with franky and robin back in the Water Seven arc.
If Oda wanted Jinbe to die and have an impactful death, then he would have done it back on WCI, no pointing in letting jinbe still survive to the Wano arc. Jinbe also won't be dying in the Wano arc either, Oda won't pull the same stunt twice, especially when he just used it in the last arc. The Wano arc is also a big arc and has too many characters, Jinbe's death wouldn't even be impactful enough.
So you can forget it and just rest about Jinbe dying already. So many hungry readers on this forum who want their whale shark fish and chips.
Jinbe is a Straw hat now, he ain't gonna die for pete's sake. I've never seen the amount of desire for a death upon a straw hat more than Jinbe. Its ridiculous.
There is no point in speculating a jinbe death either. Oda spent so much time and build up for jinbe, ever since impel down when jinbe and Luffy first met. Jinbe has been the straw hat that has constantly been here and away before officially joining, met and left during the paramount war, met and left on fishman island, and met and left again on WCI. Jinbe is joining Wano and that's set in stone, there is no way Oda is gonna keep dragging this shit out, Jinbe becoming a straw hat is way overdue.
If Jinbe is dying in Wano after all this time and cock teasing then Oda's writing has really dropped the ball. Luffy would also be a failure of a captain and he should just give up on becoming the pirate king and finding one piece and just pack his bags and go home.
Luffy postponing the celebration was just the sensible and appropriate thing to do before a big battle against the yonko, Luffy knows it will be a tough challenge to overcome and celebrating too early could really ruin their focus.
There are also theories that someone else would also be joining after Wano, so the celebration would be held at the end with everyone together, just like how they did it with franky and robin back in the Water Seven arc.
If Oda wanted Jinbe to die and have an impactful death, then he would have done it back on WCI, no pointing in letting jinbe still survive to the Wano arc. Jinbe also won't be dying in the Wano arc either, Oda won't pull the same stunt twice, especially when he just used it in the last arc. The Wano arc is also a big arc and has too many characters, Jinbe's death wouldn't even be impactful enough.
So you can forget it and just rest about Jinbe dying already. So many hungry readers on this forum who want their whale shark fish and chips.
I personally think the unfinished toast is due to another straw hat joining, rather than one being taken away. The massive toast will celebrate the defeat of Kaido, freedom of Wano as well as the celebration of a new (and final) straw hat. With this arc, the crew will be complete and ready for the final stretch of the story.
Regarding Jinbe specifically, they most certainly were death flags. This doesn't mean he's guaranteed to die, but it is certainly something that introduces the idea of it happening. And this has happened multiple times with Jinbe's character.
Anyone that can look at this panel and say there is ZERO chance of Jinbe dying is deluding themselves and in extreme denial. This of course doesn't mean he will die, but this is most certainly what you call a death flag.
And this isn't an isolated incident. This has happened many times. Flags on top of flags. With Jinbe's character specifically. Wouldn't be surprised if he does die at some point. Would burst out laughing if Meme just gobbled him up. But since Oda gave him a role on the crew, he'll survive at least Wano IMO.
Regarding Jinbe specifically, they most certainly were death flags. This doesn't mean he's guaranteed to die, but it is certainly something that introduces the idea of it happening. And this has happened multiple times with Jinbe's character.
Anyone that can look at this panel and say there is ZERO chance of Jinbe dying is deluding themselves and in extreme denial. This of course doesn't mean he will die, but this is most certainly what you call a death flag.
And this isn't an isolated incident. This has happened many times. Flags on top of flags. With Jinbe's character specifically. Wouldn't be surprised if he does die at some point. Would burst out laughing if Meme just gobbled him up. But since Oda gave him a role on the crew, he'll survive at least Wano IMO.
well you can stop worrying, how come there aren't worries that other straw hats are gonna die too? Like sanji, like Zoro, like Ussop?
Why only Jinbe?
Brook is already dead, he's still in the crew isn't he?
Even if a Straw hat was gonna die in Wano (no way I think this is happening), it would be someone else. Someone who has been in the crew longer like Sanji for example. No point in killing off a straw hat right after they joined. There won't be enough emotional impact. Oda didn't kill off Merry either after just one trip.
Why only Jinbe?
Brook is already dead, he's still in the crew isn't he?
Even if a Straw hat was gonna die in Wano (no way I think this is happening), it would be someone else. Someone who has been in the crew longer like Sanji for example. No point in killing off a straw hat right after they joined. There won't be enough emotional impact. Oda didn't kill off Merry either after just one trip.
I believe Oda is giving us a hint on how would Wano celebrate the Fire Festival soon since the current way is too Kaido/Orochi-centric...
So yeah, there's many things to celebrate after the war: Alliance victory, End of Wano dictatorship, Fall of Orochi, Kaido and BM, "Reopening" of Wano to world commerce, Wano-Mokomo "Rebonding", Official Reunion of the SHs, Coronation of the new Shogun, and probably more... So the party has to be huge (and for Oda to save and not to waste panels or even chapters as not to become redundant)...
So yeah, there's many things to celebrate after the war: Alliance victory, End of Wano dictatorship, Fall of Orochi, Kaido and BM, "Reopening" of Wano to world commerce, Wano-Mokomo "Rebonding", Official Reunion of the SHs, Coronation of the new Shogun, and probably more... So the party has to be huge (and for Oda to save and not to waste panels or even chapters as not to become redundant)...
