Speculations The admirals are easily replaceable gears. The gorosei are immortals and the direct subordinates of Imu. Its pretty clear who are the real villains.
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Imu > gorosei
Gorosei > mere admirals
Mere yonko >= mere admirals
Pirate king Roger > Gorosei
Pirate king Roger < Imu
Pirate king JoyBoy (Luffy) >= Imu
Pirate king JoyBoy (Luffy) >= Imu > Pirate king Roger > Gorosei >= mere yonko >= mere admirals
Roger says that somebody will be born and eventually surpass us = Luffy who is JoyBoy.
JoyBoy (Luffy) will destroy fishman island when he defeats Imu and destroys the red line (which may be Imu's serpentine body)
Gorosei > mere admirals
Mere yonko >= mere admirals
Pirate king Roger > Gorosei
Pirate king Roger < Imu
Pirate king JoyBoy (Luffy) >= Imu
Pirate king JoyBoy (Luffy) >= Imu > Pirate king Roger > Gorosei >= mere yonko >= mere admirals
Roger says that somebody will be born and eventually surpass us = Luffy who is JoyBoy.
JoyBoy (Luffy) will destroy fishman island when he defeats Imu and destroys the red line (which may be Imu's serpentine body)
In One Piece.
Every arc is structured.
Big Boss fights Luffy. His main and direct subordinated fight Luffy's men.
Imu is big boss. Gorosei are direct subordinates.
And narratively speaking. There's more importance to beating the gorosei than there is the admirals.
The gorosei are presumably immortal. They aren't necessarily as old as Imu. But we do know they have been around for a long time. I imagine they average out at a few hundred years. Maybe 300 years each.
Vegapunk...the gorosei look the same. While vegapunk aged 30-40 years presumably.
Vegapunk was 43 in the flashback with dragon. And easily looks MUCH older than he did with the gorosei lol.
So I repeat. You can easily replace an admiral with a draft. In fact. You can replace two! They are cogs like Kizaru said.
You cannot replace a gorosei. They've been around since Kong at minimum was the FA. And outlasted Sengoku's tenure as FA. And may even outlast Akainu if Akainu goes down before the gorosei.
And it only makes sense. Why is Imu the ONE AND ONLY immortal in the WG? If Imu got the immortality surgery, it's only natural some other dudes got it.
They've had 800 years for this.
Every arc is structured.
Big Boss fights Luffy. His main and direct subordinated fight Luffy's men.
Imu is big boss. Gorosei are direct subordinates.
And narratively speaking. There's more importance to beating the gorosei than there is the admirals.
The gorosei are presumably immortal. They aren't necessarily as old as Imu. But we do know they have been around for a long time. I imagine they average out at a few hundred years. Maybe 300 years each.
Vegapunk...the gorosei look the same. While vegapunk aged 30-40 years presumably.
Vegapunk was 43 in the flashback with dragon. And easily looks MUCH older than he did with the gorosei lol.
So I repeat. You can easily replace an admiral with a draft. In fact. You can replace two! They are cogs like Kizaru said.
You cannot replace a gorosei. They've been around since Kong at minimum was the FA. And outlasted Sengoku's tenure as FA. And may even outlast Akainu if Akainu goes down before the gorosei.
And it only makes sense. Why is Imu the ONE AND ONLY immortal in the WG? If Imu got the immortality surgery, it's only natural some other dudes got it.
They've had 800 years for this.
The admirals either defend absolute justice or moral justice and they will choose a side when Luffy and others face the WG.
Same thing for the yonko. The yonko are not all going to side with Luffy when he faces the WG.
Blackbeard is probably going to side with Imu (if he is still alive by then).
So having the dark side vs the light side is what is going to happen.
It's the Earth vs the Sun, geocentrism vs heliocentrism.
And the Moon (Blackbeard) is going to stick with the Earth (Imu).
The five elder planets (Gorosei) are going to switch sides when Luffy defeats Imu because they are going to rotate around the Sun once Imu is taken down.
Dark side = Akainu, Greenbull, Blackbeard, Imu...
Light side = Fujitora, Kizaru, Aokiji, Luffy...
If you can't understand this and still believe that admirals are "EOS vilains" and are at same strength than the yonko, there is something wrong going on with your perception of the story.
All bantering aside:
Everyone here understands that the Gorosei are a level above the admirals in both plot relevancy and strength, right?
I mean even admiral "fans" can't realistically be that delusional to argue against it.
It's just plain obvious if you take a few seconds to look at the way Oda structured and writes his story/villains.
Everyone here understands that the Gorosei are a level above the admirals in both plot relevancy and strength, right?
I mean even admiral "fans" can't realistically be that delusional to argue against it.
It's just plain obvious if you take a few seconds to look at the way Oda structured and writes his story/villains.
Not all admiral fans think that.
Some of them put the admirals above the Gorosei, others put admirals at the same level than the Gorosei.
They will tell you that apparently Saturn needed "Kizaru" to come to Egghead.. However, they ignored for a second that Saturn didn't want to show his face and that the admirals are literally the public face of the world government.
It is only 100% obvious for the people who are not admiral fans that the Gorosei are a level above.
Some of them put the admirals above the Gorosei, others put admirals at the same level than the Gorosei.
They will tell you that apparently Saturn needed "Kizaru" to come to Egghead.. However, they ignored for a second that Saturn didn't want to show his face and that the admirals are literally the public face of the world government.
It is only 100% obvious for the people who are not admiral fans that the Gorosei are a level above.
Pringles brought up the geo and heliocentric stuff.
Earth = imu
Sun = Luffy
Shirahoshi= Neptune
Pluton = Pluton
Uranus = Uranus
Gorosei = 5 inner planets that aren't earth.
It's so obvious the people who are the most important are named after major solar system figures.
I am wondering if BB is the moon.
Since he is darkness.
Earth = imu
Sun = Luffy
Shirahoshi= Neptune
Pluton = Pluton
Uranus = Uranus
Gorosei = 5 inner planets that aren't earth.
It's so obvious the people who are the most important are named after major solar system figures.
I am wondering if BB is the moon.
Since he is darkness.
@Durableguy the final war is Lightness (Sun) vs Darkness (Earth).
In the current world and for 800 years, the Earth (Imu) shut down the Sun (JoyBoy) so the Earth would be the center of the solar system. This is the geocentric model of the solar system. For years, people thought that the planets revolved around Earth. The Earth can only be in power if you keep thinking that it's the Earth that is at the center of the solar system and that the five elder planets rotate around it.
The Earth (Imu) got rid of the Sun (JoyBoy) 800 years ago and this led, to the "void century". When you get rid of a star, you have void, a blackhole.
Like you can perfectly see in this scheme of geocentrism, only the five elder planets are depicted, not Neptune, Uranus and Pluton..
image of geocentric model (actual theory), you can only see the Earth, the Moon, the five elder planets, and the Sun (around Earth)
this image in One Piece also shows how the world has a geocentric view
What is happening to the world right now? After 800 years of absence, the Sun god has finally come back. JoyBoy is finally come back. This annoys the Earth (Imu) because the presence of the Sun implies that the world may shift to a heliocentric view, where everything rotates around it.
This is even perfectly depicted by Luffy's worst power: making friends. He turns those around him into his friends and is making everybody revolve around him: the Sun. The world is shifting from geocentrism to heliocentrism because of Luffy, because of JoyBoy.
Kaido even asked JoyBoy (Luffy) what kind of world did he want.. a world where everyone can eat as much as they want.
As Luffy is turning the world upside down, the ancient weapons are being introduced and Luffy is going to use them to free the world from Earth's oppression (Imu). The ancient weapons are fittingly named into Neptune, Uranus and Pluton.. The 3 planets that don't fit in the geocentric model, because they revolve around the Sun (Luffy) and they were only discovered after the heliocentric model was introduced... Neptune is Shirahoshi and we know that she is Luffy's ally. Pluton is in Wano, which kinda is Luffy's territory. Uranus may also be in Luffy's side.
So, the final war will be heliocentrism vs geocentrism, lightness vs darkness, the Sun vs the Earth.
The Sun with its 3 outer planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluton) and the Earth with its 5 elder planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn).
That's the whole theme of One Piece and Oda said that One Piece was a story of "Luffy and his nakama" (the Sun and his planets around him = heliocentrism).
In the current world and for 800 years, the Earth (Imu) shut down the Sun (JoyBoy) so the Earth would be the center of the solar system. This is the geocentric model of the solar system. For years, people thought that the planets revolved around Earth. The Earth can only be in power if you keep thinking that it's the Earth that is at the center of the solar system and that the five elder planets rotate around it.
The Earth (Imu) got rid of the Sun (JoyBoy) 800 years ago and this led, to the "void century". When you get rid of a star, you have void, a blackhole.
Like you can perfectly see in this scheme of geocentrism, only the five elder planets are depicted, not Neptune, Uranus and Pluton..
image of geocentric model (actual theory), you can only see the Earth, the Moon, the five elder planets, and the Sun (around Earth)
this image in One Piece also shows how the world has a geocentric view
What is happening to the world right now? After 800 years of absence, the Sun god has finally come back. JoyBoy is finally come back. This annoys the Earth (Imu) because the presence of the Sun implies that the world may shift to a heliocentric view, where everything rotates around it.
This is even perfectly depicted by Luffy's worst power: making friends. He turns those around him into his friends and is making everybody revolve around him: the Sun. The world is shifting from geocentrism to heliocentrism because of Luffy, because of JoyBoy.
Kaido even asked JoyBoy (Luffy) what kind of world did he want.. a world where everyone can eat as much as they want.
As Luffy is turning the world upside down, the ancient weapons are being introduced and Luffy is going to use them to free the world from Earth's oppression (Imu). The ancient weapons are fittingly named into Neptune, Uranus and Pluton.. The 3 planets that don't fit in the geocentric model, because they revolve around the Sun (Luffy) and they were only discovered after the heliocentric model was introduced... Neptune is Shirahoshi and we know that she is Luffy's ally. Pluton is in Wano, which kinda is Luffy's territory. Uranus may also be in Luffy's side.
So, the final war will be heliocentrism vs geocentrism, lightness vs darkness, the Sun vs the Earth.
The Sun with its 3 outer planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluton) and the Earth with its 5 elder planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn).
That's the whole theme of One Piece and Oda said that One Piece was a story of "Luffy and his nakama" (the Sun and his planets around him = heliocentrism).
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Honestly, I think everyone here who does not agree with you would have said the same even if your topic was about Emperors.
...because we simply disagree, for reasons, about the Gorosei being that strong.
Now, you have made a thread "about" Admirals, not about Yonkou (I mean, you wrote it in the title). You yourself said that this thread is not about them:
And you are baffled by the fact that mainly Admiral "fans" answered?
Try to write a title like that with Yonkou, saying that the mighty god of agriculture is stronger than the "easy replaceable gears" Shanks, Kaido, Buggy-Mihawk, or Luffy and let's see if, as you say, the fans of those characters and in general Yonkou fans will be assertive or, instead, start to storm your thread lol.
Sincerely, I would bet on the storm, but if you are sure, you can try.
...because we simply disagree, for reasons, about the Gorosei being that strong.
Now, you have made a thread "about" Admirals, not about Yonkou (I mean, you wrote it in the title). You yourself said that this thread is not about them:
And you are baffled by the fact that mainly Admiral "fans" answered?
Try to write a title like that with Yonkou, saying that the mighty god of agriculture is stronger than the "easy replaceable gears" Shanks, Kaido, Buggy-Mihawk, or Luffy and let's see if, as you say, the fans of those characters and in general Yonkou fans will be assertive or, instead, start to storm your thread lol.
Sincerely, I would bet on the storm, but if you are sure, you can try.
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