Powers & Abilities The Astronomical Portrayal Gap between Shanks and Mihawk Part 1: The Bounties

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

And what does that have to do with Dracule Mihawk who as far as we know Kaido never engaged in a fight?



Oh wow, not a single solitary person, one can smell, and if we being kind here, a sense of bias and if we are being honest literal misery and pettiness, to blatantly lie.

People did notice that it is odd that Mihawk can become a subordinate of someone who is as strong as other emperos which Buggy is categorically thought to be as, as strong as Kaido as far as WG is concerned, WG still gave Mihawk the highest bounty. If that isn't an indicaiton of noitce, I don't know what is.

I doubt even Roger, with Ace and a coffin boat can make Buggy a yonko

shishio perhaps you don't realize
but for this argument to be debatable


Mihawk needs to have comparable evidence of how great his haki is in the first place
what have other top tier characters said about his haki
what are his feats in conquerors, observation, armament respectively


sounds like the fact that's lacking makes this not debatable at all.

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Why is it
He already has the confirmed strongest weapon in the world because of it.
Stronger than wbs
Stronger than Roger's or Shanks

We seen with enma how important haki is for strong swords
And mihawks blade is the strongest meaning his haki needs to be up to par

stronger blade certainly
weaker person also certain
that's why one was the WSM as in man
and the other is the strongest in a category under the subset of men.


as far as the other part with enma you still haven't explained the process of making it a black blade. am sorry am not jumping to the same assumptions you are.

 

[CbShadow]

Because they know Mihawk is stronger.... That's irrelevant to the point of discussion, which is about those who think Mihawk is stronger than Roger. The point is, Roger would never be mistaken for an underling.

All of that is completely irrelevant to a person who doesn't care about being a leader.

The manga made it clear Mihawk could have been the leader of Cross guild but he chose not to. He could have been a Yonko but he chose not to as well.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Because they know Mihawk is stronger.... That's irrelevant to the point of discussion, which is about those who thinks Mihawk's portrayal is enough to say he is stronger than Roger. The point is, Roger would never be mistaken for an underling.

this buggy underling argument aside cause I don't think its a great one
How did we get to this point tho
arguing Mihawk potentially stronger than Roger when the last relevant thing he did was in marineford.
honestly as bad as the exaggerated wank shanks used to receive .Matter of fact worse.

 

[CbShadow]

Bruh, they mistook Mihawk as an underling, because Buggy was in the middle of the picture. They have zero respect for the dude, nor care one bit about pissing him off...

They were so scared of Roger, they murdered women and children to try and stop his bloodline.

They would do the same if Roger was on the poster and he was to the side instead of in the middle like Buggy. They view Buggy as a new threat that grows stronger over time.

You also need to understand their ambitions and goals. One cared about conquering the world while the other only cared about conquering swordsman. One will affect everyone including the celestial dragons while the other may not. They would handle those two situations differently.

 

[Franosuke]

this buggy underling argument aside cause I don't think its a great one
How did we get to this point tho
arguing Mihawk potentially stronger than Roger when the last relevant thing he did was in marineford.
honestly as bad as the exaggerated wank shanks used to receive .Matter of fact worse.

It's not worse. Shanks wins large-scale polls against Roger, lol. We're talking about a few people claiming Mihawk > Roger

 

[HA001]

shishio perhaps you don't realize
but for this argument to be debatable


Mihawk needs to have comparable evidence of how great his haki is in the first place
what have other top tier characters said about his haki
what are his feats in conquerors, observation, armament respectively


sounds like the fact that's lacking makes this not debatable at all.

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stronger blade certainly
weaker person also certain
that's why one was the WSM as in man
and the other is the strongest in a category under the subset of men.


as far as the other part with enma you still haven't explained the process of making it a black blade. am sorry am not jumping to the same assumptions you are.

The stronger your sword the stronger your haki needs to be
Zoro needed oden level haki to use enma properly
Mihawks sword is strongest meaning so is his haki

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

It's not worse. Shanks wins large-scale polls against Roger, lol. We're talking about a few people claiming Mihawk > Roger

its not a few actually
its a good amount that just repeat the same old black blade argument .


and the thing with shanks you see how people like kaido talk about him, you see him clash with wb who was touted as equal to Roger,
You see sengoku halt a war when he pops up context be damned, you see him get Greenbull to back off , We come to understand he is a main figure the MC on his way to being the strongest looks up to. You know if, a casual one piece reader thought he could be the strongest pirate and stronger than Roger . I could try and understand it . Not a lot of context is applied in these scenarios.

with Mihawk even without any context the evidence isn't there. wss ?
yes in the current era
what else
.......

and then you compare that to how Roger is portrayed in the story. laughable.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

this buggy underling argument aside cause I don't think its a great one
How did we get to this point tho
arguing Mihawk potentially stronger than Roger when the last relevant thing he did was in marineford.
honestly as bad as the exaggerated wank shanks used to receive .Matter of fact worse.

I'll tell you exactly when it got to this point.

We all know Mihawk vs Shanks is just a mask for Luffy vs Zoro.

Mihawk is Zoros end goal.

When Luffy fans started saying it doesn't matter that Mihawk > Shanks, because Rogers level is Luffy's endgame, not Shanks, then all of a sudden Mihawk > Roger arguments started popping up.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

The stronger your sword the stronger your haki needs to be
Zoro needed oden level haki to use enma properly
Mihawks sword is strongest meaning so is his haki

That's a very twisted interpretation of what was said.
lets apply the logic to an example nonetheless


ryuuma the only other person who made a black blade walked around with a blade in the same tier as wado ichimonji even after it was turned a black blade . That must mean his haki corresponded to that level ........


process what you just said

 

[HA001]

That's a very twisted interpretation of what was said.
lets apply the logic to an example nonetheless


ryuuma the only other person who made a black blade walked around with a blade in the same tier as wado ichimonji even after it was turned a black blade . That must mean his haki corresponded to that level ........


process what you just said

Which is why he'd lose to mihawk

 

[Lor D. Coast]

I'll tell you exactly when it got to this point.

We all know Mihawk vs Shanks is just a mask for Luffy vs Zoro.

Mihawk is Zoros end goal.

When Luffy fans started saying it doesn't matter that Mihawk > Shanks, because Rogers level is Luffy's endgame, not Shanks, then all of a sudden Mihawk > Roger arguments started popping up.

Mihawk is not Zoro's end goal, cope less.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Which is why he'd lose to mihawk

I could care less about that .
you are forgetting your previous argument aren't you .tears.

how black blades are solely dependent on how strong ones haki is
and the fact wb Roger have supreme grade blades which are > shishui which consequently means they are superior haki users to ryuuma who made a black blade.

your argument holds no weight at all. see how that works?

 

[HA001]

I could care less about that .
you are forgetting your previous argument aren't you .tears.

how black blades are solely dependent on how strong ones haki is
and the fact wb Roger have supreme grade blades which are > shishui which consequently means they are superior haki users to ryuuma who made a black blade.

your argument holds no weight at all. see how that works?

I know you got no brain
But they didn't master their swords
Their haki was only good enough to use their swords
Mastered haki > non mastered haki

 

[Franosuke]

I'll tell you exactly when it got to this point.

We all know Mihawk vs Shanks is just a mask for Luffy vs Zoro.

Mihawk is Zoros end goal.

When Luffy fans started saying it doesn't matter that Mihawk > Shanks, because Rogers level is Luffy's endgame, not Shanks, then all of a sudden Mihawk > Roger arguments started popping up.

I don't think it's a mask for Luffy vs. Zoro.

Everyone should know by now that Mihawk's strength dictates EoS Zoro much more than Shanks' strength dictates EoS Luffy.

Anyone who thinks that there's any chance Oda will allow anyone besides Luffy or his EoS opponent (99% chance this person is not Shanks) to stand at the top...is deluding themselves.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I'll tell you exactly when it got to this point.

We all know Mihawk vs Shanks is just a mask for Luffy vs Zoro.

Mihawk is Zoros end goal.

When Luffy fans started saying it doesn't matter that Mihawk > Shanks, because Rogers level is Luffy's endgame, not Shanks, then all of a sudden Mihawk > Roger arguments started popping up.

I started seeing it when Black blades became more prominent plot wise
not sure its proxy for luffy vs zoro but honestly wish Mihawk had nothing to do with zoro and shanks had nothing to do with luffy

always said it wouldn't make sense for shanks to be stronger given mihawk's title
but its also clear as day Mihawk isn't chatting to someone like Roger. the title game that's played with shanks won't apply here and its down to portrayal /feats where the winner is very clear.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

I could care less about that .
you are forgetting your previous argument aren't you .tears.

how black blades are solely dependent on how strong ones haki is
and the fact wb Roger have supreme grade blades which are > shishui which consequently means they are superior haki users to ryuuma who made a black blade.

your argument holds no weight at all. see how that works?

Sandai kitetsu is 2 ranks lower than Enma and Wado, does Zoro use less haki on it?
Ryuma fought with what he had.

 

[Wh1p]

And Temporarily BB & Luffy will also Unlock a Superior Form (But again, it's Temporary)

The mental gymnastics for the Zoro > Luffy agenda... didn't you buffoons learn from Wano?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I know you got no brain
But they didn't master their swords
Their haki was only good enough to use their swords
Mastered haki > non mastered haki

spare me your head canon on not having black blades implying non-mastered haki.


also you getting torched so the insults have started flying lmao
yeah no ,quote me again when you are ready to talk like an adult . otherwise it will be ignored .

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Sandai kitetsu is 2 ranks lower than Enma and Wado, does Zoro use less haki on it?
Ryuma fought with what he had.

you realize the argument goes the other way too?
Roger and wb fought with what they had
and the strength of the weapon they use does not in fact have to perfectly correlate with their haki mastery
or did you just want to add your thoughts to an argument you had no context in .

 

[HA001]

spare me your head canon on not having black blades implying non-mastered haki.


also you getting torched so the insults have started flying lmao
yeah no ,quote me again when you are ready to talk like an adult . otherwise it will be ignored .

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you realize the argument goes the other way too?
Roger and wb fought with what they had
and the strength of the weapon they use does not in fact have to perfectly correlate with their haki mastery
or did you just want to add your thoughts to an argument you had no context in .

They only had haki good enough to use the weapon not master it.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

They only had haki good enough to use the weapon not master it.

Now we are circling back
is haki the only thing required to Make it black permanently or quote on quote master it and if so what type of haki


katakuri much better observation user than kaido
katakuri doesnt have better haki mastery than kaido .