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I am taking out my thoughts here.
Since, the alliance is formed between Kaido and BM, everyone thinks (including myself) that navy will definitely take part in war to level the playing field.
And, to be fair it's reasonable assumption.
However, I was asking myself a question why navy shouldn't take part in the war and I come up with some arguments and seek some discussion on them
1)Navy is unaware of their official declaration of alliance. All they know is BM will try to approach Kaido and is seeking alliance but not the official declaration.
Also, I doubt Kaido and BM would declare this to the world before fire fest as they both seem to be engaged in enjoying the feast for the festival with no anticipation of any threat.
2)wano forces remain unknown to navy. This is the reason Akainu stopped Kizaru from interfering. I doubt that suddenly navy would be able to know wano strength
3)Reverie just got over and considering how much chaos was due to happen in Reverie, I doubt navy would be able to free itself from Reverie aftermath to go against the alliance in just 5 days to fire festival.
4)one of the reason people think navy would involve is it to justify Kaido statement of 'greatest war this world ever seen'.
But point is, Kaido himself isn't preparing for greatest war at fire festival. Nor, as of now Oda has laid the build up to navy preparing for such war like he did in MF. I doubt Oda will suddenly bring navy into the war.
Since, the alliance is formed between Kaido and BM, everyone thinks (including myself) that navy will definitely take part in war to level the playing field.
And, to be fair it's reasonable assumption.
However, I was asking myself a question why navy shouldn't take part in the war and I come up with some arguments and seek some discussion on them
1)Navy is unaware of their official declaration of alliance. All they know is BM will try to approach Kaido and is seeking alliance but not the official declaration.
Also, I doubt Kaido and BM would declare this to the world before fire fest as they both seem to be engaged in enjoying the feast for the festival with no anticipation of any threat.
2)wano forces remain unknown to navy. This is the reason Akainu stopped Kizaru from interfering. I doubt that suddenly navy would be able to know wano strength
3)Reverie just got over and considering how much chaos was due to happen in Reverie, I doubt navy would be able to free itself from Reverie aftermath to go against the alliance in just 5 days to fire festival.
4)one of the reason people think navy would involve is it to justify Kaido statement of 'greatest war this world ever seen'.
But point is, Kaido himself isn't preparing for greatest war at fire festival. Nor, as of now Oda has laid the build up to navy preparing for such war like he did in MF. I doubt Oda will suddenly bring navy into the war.
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Your points are reasonable tbh.
Bt i think the meeting where Orochii fired at one of the Cp0 members could actually come bite back his ass. At one side this might appear to be something that simply is to hype up KAIDOU, making him such a beast that with someone like him by his side even Orochii can act in such way and Cp0 don't want to anger bt it also felt like Orochii was also testing CP0 temper there by doing things as he pleases and this plot point could grow into CP0 taking benefit of the situation.
As for Marine not being aware of Kaidou-BM Alliance? I think an alliance is one of the first few things that comes to Mind when Two Yonkou meet like it happened when WB n Shanks met(Gorosie discussing it) and same this time with Garp already commenting on it.
Anyway last we saw Akainu, he was stopping Kizaru because of not being aware of the strength of Wano Samurai, that imo could led to two situations. Either he plans on sending bigger force(regardless being aware of Kaidou-BM alliance) to Wano than before(because of uncertainty) or use spies or underworld network to find more about Wano, Akainu also dont mind using underhanded means for justice. Also who knows maybe there are already spies in Wano, if i have to name someone two names comes to my mind... Drake or Apoo. Drake is a former Marine who now seems to have his own scheme/agenda running on by going against Kaidou n freeing Law(atleast that us what Law word suggests). So mayhe he is still with the Marines and only freed Law for takin down DOFFY.
As for Apoo if he can betray once, he can do again.
If there are Spies Marine can get aware of the Alliance. Kaidou forces, Wano forces everything they want to know. Else the threat of alliance i feel is also good enough to take close eye on it.
I also questions why Oda delayed the fire festival so much, i mean we still have 5 days remaining even tho most of the necessary prep is done, or arguably Oda could have finished the prep early on if wanted to bt he delayed the battle more than a week, what if the reason behind this is so the Marine(atleast the Admirals) can wrap up Reverie and come to Wano. I think the Fire festival day being a Full Moon day could also be another specific reason.
As for Kaidou hyping up thr final war and Fire festival not being it. I think the major reason people were hyped is because of Editors statements that Wano final battle will even surpass MF. Tho fans had doubts about it at the start and only considered it as hyped statement like editors usually make bt given we saw Kaidou n BM alliance last chapter, that also seems to more n more true lately. Also it might not be the final war Kaidou talked about but all his forces seems to attending the Fire festival with Numbers also arriving in to join the festival.
And The Alliance taking down Two Yonkou at the same time also seems impossible so some external force have to halt one of the Yonkou, and Marines Admirals seems better pick here given Akainu also already talked about it and two yonkou meeting threatens the stability of the seas which Marine can't let happen so easily.
Bt i think the meeting where Orochii fired at one of the Cp0 members could actually come bite back his ass. At one side this might appear to be something that simply is to hype up KAIDOU, making him such a beast that with someone like him by his side even Orochii can act in such way and Cp0 don't want to anger bt it also felt like Orochii was also testing CP0 temper there by doing things as he pleases and this plot point could grow into CP0 taking benefit of the situation.
As for Marine not being aware of Kaidou-BM Alliance? I think an alliance is one of the first few things that comes to Mind when Two Yonkou meet like it happened when WB n Shanks met(Gorosie discussing it) and same this time with Garp already commenting on it.
Anyway last we saw Akainu, he was stopping Kizaru because of not being aware of the strength of Wano Samurai, that imo could led to two situations. Either he plans on sending bigger force(regardless being aware of Kaidou-BM alliance) to Wano than before(because of uncertainty) or use spies or underworld network to find more about Wano, Akainu also dont mind using underhanded means for justice. Also who knows maybe there are already spies in Wano, if i have to name someone two names comes to my mind... Drake or Apoo. Drake is a former Marine who now seems to have his own scheme/agenda running on by going against Kaidou n freeing Law(atleast that us what Law word suggests). So mayhe he is still with the Marines and only freed Law for takin down DOFFY.
As for Apoo if he can betray once, he can do again.
If there are Spies Marine can get aware of the Alliance. Kaidou forces, Wano forces everything they want to know. Else the threat of alliance i feel is also good enough to take close eye on it.
I also questions why Oda delayed the fire festival so much, i mean we still have 5 days remaining even tho most of the necessary prep is done, or arguably Oda could have finished the prep early on if wanted to bt he delayed the battle more than a week, what if the reason behind this is so the Marine(atleast the Admirals) can wrap up Reverie and come to Wano. I think the Fire festival day being a Full Moon day could also be another specific reason.
As for Kaidou hyping up thr final war and Fire festival not being it. I think the major reason people were hyped is because of Editors statements that Wano final battle will even surpass MF. Tho fans had doubts about it at the start and only considered it as hyped statement like editors usually make bt given we saw Kaidou n BM alliance last chapter, that also seems to more n more true lately. Also it might not be the final war Kaidou talked about but all his forces seems to attending the Fire festival with Numbers also arriving in to join the festival.
And The Alliance taking down Two Yonkou at the same time also seems impossible so some external force have to halt one of the Yonkou, and Marines Admirals seems better pick here given Akainu also already talked about it and two yonkou meeting threatens the stability of the seas which Marine can't let happen so easily.
So everyone is expecting the marines and it is quite reasonable, but still has their issues there, like Rebown mentioned.
But what if it is someone else? I mean, we know Inu talked to Marco, which said no, but he clearly could message someone else to make them know. For example Shanks, or even Blackbeard. Maybe, and i know it is a far Stretch, it is also possible some other pirates which want to make Kaido fall, got the News about Luffy and now want to participate, just to see Kaido fall. Examples here could be Crocodile, Luffys Grand Fleet, Bonnie...
But what if it is someone else? I mean, we know Inu talked to Marco, which said no, but he clearly could message someone else to make them know. For example Shanks, or even Blackbeard. Maybe, and i know it is a far Stretch, it is also possible some other pirates which want to make Kaido fall, got the News about Luffy and now want to participate, just to see Kaido fall. Examples here could be Crocodile, Luffys Grand Fleet, Bonnie...
Your cp0 argument makes sense. But it's more related to WG direct order than navy itself being involved in it. We know how pissed Akainu was in relation to Doffy incident. But I agree this could become a plot point in future
Drake being part of marine doesn't make sense considering Kizaru showed no mercy to him in sabody.
Akainu simply doesn't know wano strength. What bigger forces he has apart from sending an admiral? At most two Admirals? But the point is Akainu hesitated simply because of unknown strength of wano samurais.
Yes they could have spies but since Reverie was going on I doubt that even if navy comes to know about it they will interfere until Reverie aftermath is taken care of.
The whole argument as you said revolves around why Oda left 5 days to fire fest.
some serious big things are about to happen especially considering law plot and hint that he is about to do something against the alliance.
Neku is still not here and BMP presence are unknown.
Drake being part of marine doesn't make sense considering Kizaru showed no mercy to him in sabody.
Akainu simply doesn't know wano strength. What bigger forces he has apart from sending an admiral? At most two Admirals? But the point is Akainu hesitated simply because of unknown strength of wano samurais.
Yes they could have spies but since Reverie was going on I doubt that even if navy comes to know about it they will interfere until Reverie aftermath is taken care of.
The whole argument as you said revolves around why Oda left 5 days to fire fest.
some serious big things are about to happen especially considering law plot and hint that he is about to do something against the alliance.
Neku is still not here and BMP presence are unknown.
Next Chapter spoilers will be the first spoilers without OJ 
Infact, I already started gradually working out on what chapter could be about and is still clueless as this chapter can pick from anywhere - Reverie, Law plot, Neko arrival, Orochi, law training, BMP
I hope teach appears soon. I am gradually finding myself getting drowned in Zoro hype and greatness and only teach appearance can save the day for me lol
Hey Panther, TB has reborn tag. And, it already has 400 users. Coincidence? I guess not.
So, Talk to the captain to have rebornimformer tag asap so that WG Forum can outshine all forums in letter and spirit
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Hey Panther, TB has reborn tag. And, it already has 400 users. Coincidence? I guess not.
So, Talk to the captain to have rebornimformer tag asap so that WG Forum can outshine all forums in letter and spirit
Yes CP0 might not act until WG orders em to. So ir depends on what higher up decides abour BM. N Kaidou meeting.
Maybe not to raise suspicions..? :unsure:
Anyway he do seems to shady given Law statement, he don't know his plans bt be will act fr nw. And also isn't yet on Alliance side, neither loyal ti Kaidou(given it is Indeed Drake Lol).
Yes Two Admiral. Maybe the reason Akainu delayed because other Admirals n major Marine forces were currently in Reveries n sending Kizaru alone was risky given uncertain forces.
Yes many things dpdns if Reverie is over or not.
Not necessarily 5 days remains nw, Oda is the author he is utilising the time nw, bt if wanted could have linked things sooner and made ready weapons n men required faster if he wanted to.
Never have we seen SHs wait week or more to attack an Enemy. Maybe Luffy was simply not ready, and Oda wanted to make Kaidou defeat believable by giving Luffy Advance CoA training, so that could be another reason. So. Dunno.
Maybe not to raise suspicions..? :unsure:
Anyway he do seems to shady given Law statement, he don't know his plans bt be will act fr nw. And also isn't yet on Alliance side, neither loyal ti Kaidou(given it is Indeed Drake Lol).
Yes Two Admiral. Maybe the reason Akainu delayed because other Admirals n major Marine forces were currently in Reveries n sending Kizaru alone was risky given uncertain forces.
Yes many things dpdns if Reverie is over or not.
Not necessarily 5 days remains nw, Oda is the author he is utilising the time nw, bt if wanted could have linked things sooner and made ready weapons n men required faster if he wanted to.
Never have we seen SHs wait week or more to attack an Enemy. Maybe Luffy was simply not ready, and Oda wanted to make Kaidou defeat believable by giving Luffy Advance CoA training, so that could be another reason. So. Dunno.
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