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1) Yes- the label is widely known but we first knew of it when Kyros said it which is all I referenced him for.
2) "Stronk brain-" Smoker was positioned in the narrative as a bait and switch on our perception of the Navy as readers/as the eyes through which Oda began to hammer the themes of greater forces at play/inherited will, following up on Mayor Woop Slaps words on Destiny post-Arlong Park.
The final barrier in the stories prologue/a huge impact presence (also- Luffy specifically thinks of "Smokey" as a motivator for learning Haki and is invested in their combat rivalry/cares for him as a friend, which is verbalized in PH).
Try and think of something other than punching;
3) Smoker is the first character to draw parallels between Roger/Luffy (two D's) and quite literally swore his life on capturing Luffy; making him his white whale.
Smoker is unique in the series for the fact that his plot is predicated on Luffy's pace; if we want to get meta then in Loguetown Smoker clued into Luffy being the protagonist and inserted himself into the narrative (rather than it coming to him).
Two D's that the story has tied him to and the fact that he parallels more of Garp than you're willing to admit and follows down his line from Garp's connection to Kuzan.
Your "D" sentence is still a stretch/poorly phrased without any actual moment in the narrative pointing to it.
4) Smoker has direct cause to be involved in Blackbeard's arc via Kuzan and the fact that he's intimately involved at each turn of the era/tied himself to Luffy's fate.
5) Koby didn't do shit; he looked cool but ultimately he was bloodied by a bunch of Kuja haki and rightfully would have been folded by Boa; Smoker on page in PH was shown as comparable to the Law/ Vergo and co. and was injured come Doffy.
6) Cool, except i'm not trying to downplay Koby like you're doing Smoker.
Does this picture give you cold sweats at night?
7) Koby's chapter title means he's finally got a plotline, yes.
It means nothing else (a major one, but still nothing that counter's Smoker, it's just a title).
8) Once again, we know nothing about what Koby actually did or how much genuineness was in BB's words especially with the framing "hero" had from Sandersonia.
2) "Stronk brain-" Smoker was positioned in the narrative as a bait and switch on our perception of the Navy as readers/as the eyes through which Oda began to hammer the themes of greater forces at play/inherited will, following up on Mayor Woop Slaps words on Destiny post-Arlong Park.
The final barrier in the stories prologue/a huge impact presence (also- Luffy specifically thinks of "Smokey" as a motivator for learning Haki and is invested in their combat rivalry/cares for him as a friend, which is verbalized in PH).
Try and think of something other than punching;
3) Smoker is the first character to draw parallels between Roger/Luffy (two D's) and quite literally swore his life on capturing Luffy; making him his white whale.
Smoker is unique in the series for the fact that his plot is predicated on Luffy's pace; if we want to get meta then in Loguetown Smoker clued into Luffy being the protagonist and inserted himself into the narrative (rather than it coming to him).
Two D's that the story has tied him to and the fact that he parallels more of Garp than you're willing to admit and follows down his line from Garp's connection to Kuzan.
Your "D" sentence is still a stretch/poorly phrased without any actual moment in the narrative pointing to it.
4) Smoker has direct cause to be involved in Blackbeard's arc via Kuzan and the fact that he's intimately involved at each turn of the era/tied himself to Luffy's fate.
5) Koby didn't do shit; he looked cool but ultimately he was bloodied by a bunch of Kuja haki and rightfully would have been folded by Boa; Smoker on page in PH was shown as comparable to the Law/ Vergo and co. and was injured come Doffy.
6) Cool, except i'm not trying to downplay Koby like you're doing Smoker.
Does this picture give you cold sweats at night?
7) Koby's chapter title means he's finally got a plotline, yes.
It means nothing else (a major one, but still nothing that counter's Smoker, it's just a title).
8) Once again, we know nothing about what Koby actually did or how much genuineness was in BB's words especially with the framing "hero" had from Sandersonia.
O shit I just realized you were Seatonnes with the name change lmao
That's a bullshit argument lol. We're not looking at zoro punching vs luffy slashing. We are looking at zoro punch vs luffy punch. If zoro cant channel his powers via limbs with out a sword as well as luffy, then he simply has lower physical power. Simple as.
Nowhere is it said or apparent that luffy's coa is less potent than zoro's. The gorgon sisters haki was showcased only in pre time skip when luffy needed to "beat" them. They are a result of haki not being fleshed out. Can't compare that to luffy vs zoro.
Where did you get that zoro was dealing more damage to kaido using a lower haki technique?. Luffy's damage isn't visible cause its internal man. Compare luffy barrier haki to zoro and luffy is equal if not stronger.
That is misleading too. Because the premise itself is advantageous to the sword guy. Cause, he's getting another thing that boosts his stats compared to the other guy. Luffy and zoro doesn't have the same physicals and mastery in haki. That's the whole point. If you take two clones with exact amounts of haki and physical power and give only one of them a weapon, the weapon guy would almost always win. But that's not what happens in battle. They all have different advantages and boosters. Like, luffy has his devil fruit on top of top haki and physicals, Kaido has his df and oni stuff etc...
If you have to take away Luffy's df for zoro to match or beat him, then you should take away zoro's swords too to make it fair. Like, do you think Mihawk beats Kaido easily because mihawk has a more lethal weapon?
Also, So if Luffy hits someone with X amount of physical power plus internal destruction Haki then he'd do less damage than Zoro using the same amount of physical strength and the same level of Haki
The point is that they don't hit with the same force and haki. To make zoro's strikes more lethal, you are leveling up zoro's haki to luffy's level. So zoro has luffy level haki + a weapon. Do you think it would be fair if luffy had zoro's level of swordsmanship suddenly, and we compared him to zoro in swordsmanship? No, because luffy is gaining tremendous advantage. That being, he is getting zoro level swordsmanship without having to put any time towards training and cultivating it. And that's the main takeaway. Zoro gained his great swordsmanship because he put time into it. Just like luffy gained his haki by training his haki bases thoroughly. So zoro suddenly getting elevated haki to luffy's level without having to train for it and fight for it doesn't make much sense. I know it's hypothetical, but you guys are taking things in a vacuum and giving zoro all the advantage just to prove he is superior. When that isn't how it is at all.
Nowhere is it said or apparent that luffy's coa is less potent than zoro's. The gorgon sisters haki was showcased only in pre time skip when luffy needed to "beat" them. They are a result of haki not being fleshed out. Can't compare that to luffy vs zoro.
Where did you get that zoro was dealing more damage to kaido using a lower haki technique?. Luffy's damage isn't visible cause its internal man. Compare luffy barrier haki to zoro and luffy is equal if not stronger.
That is misleading too. Because the premise itself is advantageous to the sword guy. Cause, he's getting another thing that boosts his stats compared to the other guy. Luffy and zoro doesn't have the same physicals and mastery in haki. That's the whole point. If you take two clones with exact amounts of haki and physical power and give only one of them a weapon, the weapon guy would almost always win. But that's not what happens in battle. They all have different advantages and boosters. Like, luffy has his devil fruit on top of top haki and physicals, Kaido has his df and oni stuff etc...
If you have to take away Luffy's df for zoro to match or beat him, then you should take away zoro's swords too to make it fair. Like, do you think Mihawk beats Kaido easily because mihawk has a more lethal weapon?
Also, So if Luffy hits someone with X amount of physical power plus internal destruction Haki then he'd do less damage than Zoro using the same amount of physical strength and the same level of Haki
The point is that they don't hit with the same force and haki. To make zoro's strikes more lethal, you are leveling up zoro's haki to luffy's level. So zoro has luffy level haki + a weapon. Do you think it would be fair if luffy had zoro's level of swordsmanship suddenly, and we compared him to zoro in swordsmanship? No, because luffy is gaining tremendous advantage. That being, he is getting zoro level swordsmanship without having to put any time towards training and cultivating it. And that's the main takeaway. Zoro gained his great swordsmanship because he put time into it. Just like luffy gained his haki by training his haki bases thoroughly. So zoro suddenly getting elevated haki to luffy's level without having to train for it and fight for it doesn't make much sense. I know it's hypothetical, but you guys are taking things in a vacuum and giving zoro all the advantage just to prove he is superior. When that isn't how it is at all.
1) Yes- the label is widely known but we first knew of it when Kyros said it which is all I referenced him for.
2) "Stronk brain-" Smoker was positioned in the narrative as a bait and switch on our perception of the Navy as readers/as the eyes through which Oda began to hammer the themes of greater forces at play/inherited will, following up on Mayor Woop Slaps words on Destiny post-Arlong Park.
The final barrier in the stories prologue/a huge impact presence (also- Luffy specifically thinks of "Smokey" as a motivator for learning Haki and is invested in their combat rivalry/cares for him as a friend, which is verbalized in PH).
Try and think of something other than punching;
3) Smoker is the first character to draw parallels between Roger/Luffy (two D's) and quite literally swore his life on capturing Luffy; making him his white whale.
Smoker is unique in the series for the fact that his plot is predicated on Luffy's pace; if we want to get meta then in Loguetown Smoker clued into Luffy being the protagonist and inserted himself into the narrative (rather than it coming to him).
Two D's that the story has tied him to and the fact that he parallels more of Garp than you're willing to admit and follows down his line from Garp's connection to Kuzan.
Your "D" sentence is still a stretch/poorly phrased without any actual moment in the narrative pointing to it.
4) Smoker has direct cause to be involved in Blackbeard's arc via Kuzan and the fact that he's intimately involved at each turn of the era/tied himself to Luffy's fate.
5) Koby didn't do shit; he looked cool but ultimately he was bloodied by a bunch of Kuja haki and rightfully would have been folded by Boa; Smoker on page in PH was shown as comparable to the Law/ Vergo and co. and was injured come Doffy.
6) Cool, except i'm not trying to downplay Koby like you're doing Smoker.
Does this picture give you cold sweats at night?
7) Koby's chapter title means he's finally got a plotline, yes.
It means nothing else (a major one, but still nothing that counter's Smoker, it's just a title).
8) Once again, we know nothing about what Koby actually did or how much genuineness was in BB's words especially with the framing "hero" had from Sandersonia.
2) "Stronk brain-" Smoker was positioned in the narrative as a bait and switch on our perception of the Navy as readers/as the eyes through which Oda began to hammer the themes of greater forces at play/inherited will, following up on Mayor Woop Slaps words on Destiny post-Arlong Park.
The final barrier in the stories prologue/a huge impact presence (also- Luffy specifically thinks of "Smokey" as a motivator for learning Haki and is invested in their combat rivalry/cares for him as a friend, which is verbalized in PH).
Try and think of something other than punching;
3) Smoker is the first character to draw parallels between Roger/Luffy (two D's) and quite literally swore his life on capturing Luffy; making him his white whale.
Smoker is unique in the series for the fact that his plot is predicated on Luffy's pace; if we want to get meta then in Loguetown Smoker clued into Luffy being the protagonist and inserted himself into the narrative (rather than it coming to him).
Two D's that the story has tied him to and the fact that he parallels more of Garp than you're willing to admit and follows down his line from Garp's connection to Kuzan.
Your "D" sentence is still a stretch/poorly phrased without any actual moment in the narrative pointing to it.
4) Smoker has direct cause to be involved in Blackbeard's arc via Kuzan and the fact that he's intimately involved at each turn of the era/tied himself to Luffy's fate.
5) Koby didn't do shit; he looked cool but ultimately he was bloodied by a bunch of Kuja haki and rightfully would have been folded by Boa; Smoker on page in PH was shown as comparable to the Law/ Vergo and co. and was injured come Doffy.
6) Cool, except i'm not trying to downplay Koby like you're doing Smoker.
Does this picture give you cold sweats at night?
7) Koby's chapter title means he's finally got a plotline, yes.
It means nothing else (a major one, but still nothing that counter's Smoker, it's just a title).
8) Once again, we know nothing about what Koby actually did or how much genuineness was in BB's words especially with the framing "hero" had from Sandersonia.
No. I am simply being realistic. Coby is what 18 had two years of growth with garp and is impressive. Smoker is like 15vyears older than luffy and coby lol. Now how is he realistically a portrayal of garp? Garp and rodger were similar in age. Smoker is so much older than luffy that it isn't even funny. He has less room to grow in comparison to luffy and coby.
Added with the fact that we have already scene the full scope of what he can do post tineskip. I just don't realistically think he is going to be as powerful or as important as you want him to be
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