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Julius

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Master OF Haki said:
Sanji is too fragile so he needs armor etc
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This was never the case, Sanji has a lot of durability, and more than Zoro with the Raid Suit.
Zoro's AP was decent but he still ended up needing Enma
I agree that Skywalk showed to be not that much useful, but only compared to Raid Suits, before getting the Raid Suit, Sanji was the only one besides Gear 4 Luffy who was able to fight in the air, the Raid Suit makes it much more easier, and that was the point on showcasing how much useful the suit could end up being for someone like Sanji
 
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Raiden7 said:
Zoro swallowed his pride by let Mihawk teaching him swordmanship and the same Sanji did by using the Germa tech.
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With the exception that Sanji didn't, Sanji's actions contradict themselves. If Sanji is willing to swallow his pride for sake of his friends, then why he didn't do it against Black Maria?
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Vinsmoke D. Zolo said:
This was never the case, Sanji has a lot of durability, and more than Zoro with the Raid Suit.
Zoro's AP was decent but he still ended up needing Enma
I agree that Skywalk showed to be not that much useful, but only compared to Raid Suits, before getting the Raid Suit, Sanji was the only one besides Gear 4 Luffy who was able to fight in the air, the Raid Suit makes it much more easier, and that was the point on showcasing how much useful the suit could end up being for someone like Sanji
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:seriously: oh for god's sake... dude, even if Sanji didn't learn sky walk it wouldn't have made any difference, at all.
 
Julius

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Master OF Haki said:
With the exception that Sanji didn't, Sanji's actions contradict themselves. If Sanji is willing to swallow his pride for sake of his friends, then why he didn't do it against Black Maria?
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Because he can't hit women since ever, he can't even use haki cuz he may end up hurting them, the fact that Sanji called for help not only showed a lot of trust on Robin (someone who was being left behind) but that he prioritazed getting out of there to be useful somewhere else instead of getting beaten freely.

Just compare this with the Kalifa thing in EL
 
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Vinsmoke D. Zolo said:
Because he can't hit women since ever, he can't even use haki cuz he may end up hurting them, the fact that Sanji called for help not only showed a lot of trust on Robin (someone who was being left behind) but that he prioritazed getting out of there to be useful somewhere else instead of getting beaten freely.

Just compare this with the Kalifa thing in EL
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But why Sanji can't hit her? Have you ever asked that simple question to yourself? Because it's his pride/principles, Sanji never swallowed his pride. I've said it here👇
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In Enies Lobby it has been established–and you can't argue with this–that Sanji values his pride/principles over his own life and the lifes of his loved ones; whether you think it's good or bad, it's up to you, that's not the point. The point is, is that it HAS BEEN established, you can't go back, you can't, THAT'S IT. The plot of Sanji accepting the raid suit because of his friends doesn't work, it goes against Sanji's character, character that has already been established.
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Raiden7

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Master OF Haki said:
With the exception that Sanji didn't, Sanji's actions contradict themselves. If Sanji is willing to swallow his pride for sake of his friends, then why he didn't do it against Black Maria?
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Well he actually swallowed his pride by searching help from Robin which is, in my opinion, a great development for Sanji. The fact that Sanji can't hit a woman is engraved in his moral code. He can't do that and he will never do it.
 
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Raiden7 said:
Well he actually swallowed his pride by searching help from Robin which is, in my opinion, a great development for Sanji. The fact that Sanji can't hit a woman is engraved in his moral code. He can't do that and he will never do it.
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Sanji did it in Enies Lobby, as mater of fact it was him who thought it to Ussop, there was no character development in Wano or WCI for Sanji.
 
Julius

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But why Sanji can't hit her? Have you ever asked that simple question to yourself? Because it's his pride/principles, Sanji never swallowed his pride.
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He is a simp, what i know is: This was established very long ago, even on SBS, Oda said Sanji can't hit women cuz he just can't, it's something impossible for him, then you can try to make some links with his chilhood, whatever
 
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Master OF Haki said:
Yes it is, but it doesn't destroy Zoro's character, it just hurts him really bad.

Oh god, I've been asked this question so many times... ok, I'll list the most important ones.
  1. In Enies Lobby it has been established–and you can't argue with this–that Sanji values his pride/principles over his own life and the lifes of his loved ones; whether you think it's good or bad, it's up to you, that's not the point. The point is, is that it HAS BEEN established, you can't go back, you can't, THAT'S IT. The plot of Sanji accepting the raid suit because of his friends doesn't work, it goes against Sanji's character, character that has already been established.
  2. Kindness vs weapons: Sanji's father thinks that emotions are weaknesses, that love is the ultimate weakness of a warrior. On the other hand, Sanji's mother thinks that love and kindness are the things that make you the strongest, the things that arm your willpower. So, whose ideology is winning right now? Just be honest. Kindness was Sanji's weapon, not the raid suit. After all Sanji has been through, after all training that he had with Zeff and Ivankov, he still needs the raid suit.
  3. Invisibility makes him a villain: invisibility is a villain power, there's a reason as to why the two invisibility DF users are/was villains. Oda himself in an interview said. "I've been inspired to create invisibility power after watching Naruto where the BAD GUY became invisible, it shocked me," that's when Oda created Absalom's DF. With invisibility, Sanji is attacking his opponents for the back, he uses the tricks and dirty methods of a villain.
  4. The raid suit makes Sanji useless: what abilities did Sanji obtain after timskip? Sky walk and speed. Both of these powers were humiliated and made fun of in the WCI, it has been said that Sanji is too slow so he needs the raid suit, Sanji is too fragile so he needs armor etc. It has completely changed Sanji's fighting style, DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND that Oda just threw away 800+ chapters and decided to rewrite Sanji's character, like WTF?
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1. People change.
2. In the end, you still need some power to defeat someone. Try to remember the wedding cake and how well a non combat solution to a problem was received.
3. lolwut.
4. yes. the suit creates life on its own and do the thing. Like that old jackie chan movie.
 
Raiden7

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Master OF Haki said:
Yes it is, but it doesn't destroy Zoro's character, it just hurts him really bad.

Oh god, I've been asked this question so many times... ok, I'll list the most important ones.
  1. In Enies Lobby it has been established–and you can't argue with this–that Sanji values his pride/principles over his own life and the lifes of his loved ones; whether you think it's good or bad, it's up to you, that's not the point. The point is, is that it HAS BEEN established, you can't go back, you can't, THAT'S IT. The plot of Sanji accepting the raid suit because of his friends doesn't work, it goes against Sanji's character, character that has already been established.
  2. Kindness vs weapons: Sanji's father thinks that emotions are weaknesses, that love is the ultimate weakness of a warrior. On the other hand, Sanji's mother thinks that love and kindness are the things that make you the strongest, the things that arm your willpower. So, whose ideology is winning right now? Just be honest. Kindness was Sanji's weapon, not the raid suit. After all Sanji has been through, after all training that he had with Zeff and Ivankov, he still needs the raid suit.
  3. Invisibility makes him a villain: invisibility is a villain power, there's a reason as to why the two invisibility DF users are/was villains. Oda himself in an interview said. "I've been inspired to create invisibility power after watching Naruto where the BAD GUY became invisible, it shocked me," that's when Oda created Absalom's DF. With invisibility, Sanji is attacking his opponents for the back, he uses the tricks and dirty methods of a villain.
  4. The raid suit makes Sanji useless: what abilities did Sanji obtain after timskip? Sky walk and speed. Both of these powers were humiliated and made fun of in the WCI, it has been said that Sanji is too slow so he needs the raid suit, Sanji is too fragile so he needs armor etc. It has completely changed Sanji's fighting style, DO YOU EVEN COMPREHEND that Oda just threw away 800+ chapters and decided to rewrite Sanji's character, like WTF?
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I don't fully agree with all of that but I am ok with the second point which is why I think the germa 66 plot is not over, and Judge still think that Sanji is a failure, that's why Sanji must show his father that he is not what his family think he is. All of this will connect to Sora of course because we don't know her so much and she could be connected to the marines (based on Sora warrior of the seas, a hero that "casually" share the same name of Sanji's mother)
 
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