Powers & Abilities The big issue with CoC
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CoC isn't just a matter of will anymore, it became a power level tool now. Basically, every top tier needs to have it to justify their strength.
By the way, it's something I've never taken into consideration when talking about Sanji getting CoC before, it never came to my mind. But now I realize his opponents would need CoC if he has it too and I can't see someone like Pizarro (or any other BBP outside of Shiryu and obviously BB himself) getting it.
We don't know if Admirals have it but Sanji isn't guaranteed to fight one anyway. Kizaru didn't care about Fleet Admiral position so he's not guaranteed to have CoC and I don't think any other Admiral could be his opponent. It's less of an issue in Sanji's case because his chances of getting advanced CoC are next to zero but it's still an issue even if we only talk about basic CoC. Unless he doesn't get it before EoS.
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Yes, yes, of course his flashback justifies perfectly why he has it. When I was making this thread and wrote this about Doflamingo, I told myself "sanjikun is 100% gonna come and protest to defend Doflamingo".
I meant it makes little sense to give him because of what he represents in the grand scheme of things. He's not relevant in terms of strength if you compare him to Yonko or top tiers in general. Also he was shit scared of Kaido and acted like his lackey, which is weird coming from a CoC user.
By the way, it's something I've never taken into consideration when talking about Sanji getting CoC before, it never came to my mind. But now I realize his opponents would need CoC if he has it too and I can't see someone like Pizarro (or any other BBP outside of Shiryu and obviously BB himself) getting it.
We don't know if Admirals have it but Sanji isn't guaranteed to fight one anyway. Kizaru didn't care about Fleet Admiral position so he's not guaranteed to have CoC and I don't think any other Admiral could be his opponent. It's less of an issue in Sanji's case because his chances of getting advanced CoC are next to zero but it's still an issue even if we only talk about basic CoC. Unless he doesn't get it before EoS.
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Yes, yes, of course his flashback justifies perfectly why he has it. When I was making this thread and wrote this about Doflamingo, I told myself "sanjikun is 100% gonna come and protest to defend Doflamingo".
I meant it makes little sense to give him because of what he represents in the grand scheme of things. He's not relevant in terms of strength if you compare him to Yonko or top tiers in general. Also he was shit scared of Kaido and acted like his lackey, which is weird coming from a CoC user.
The first confirmed CoC user was Boa Hancock, a Queen of a country in the New World. Ever since then Oda established the CoC = King link.
There are less than 20 confirmed COC users in a world that hosts billions, and the number is not likely to exceed 30. COC is said to be possessed by one in a million. So if we're to assume OP world has a billion population, they can have 1000 COC users. That shit is pretty rare. It's just that we're at that stage of the manga where we're dealing with the very best of the world most of whom are COC users, which is why it looks more common than not.
Yet standing side by side makes them equals.
Yet standing side by side makes them equals.
Yes, one of the strongest Warlords, 1/3 World Powers, is not relevant. You're a moron and have no fucking clue what the fuck you're bullshitting on about. Doflamingo was planning on taking over the world with the Mariejois treasure. That goes even beyond PK power.
The first confirmed CoC user was Boa Hancock, a Queen of a country in the New World. Ever since then Oda established the CoC = King link.
The first confirmed CoC user was Boa Hancock, a Queen of a country in the New World. Ever since then Oda established the CoC = King link.
You always become extremely touchy whenever Doflamingo is brought up. I became a moron all of a sudden because I said a cartoon character is not relevant enough in terms of strength in the grand scheme of things to get a fictional power in a fictional story. You seriously need to chill and stop worshipping a fictional character to that extent, it's unhealthy and makes you lose your temper for absolutely no good reason. Don't resort to insults or I will stop debating with you and report your messages (like I did for this one). You've been warned.
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Well it depends, but it is quite true.
It's gonna be hard for non-advCOC users to matchup against advCOC users since ODA made it one of the strongest power in One Piece.
I can only think of 3 other powers that can match advCOC aside advCOC itself:
1. OP Devil Fruit Ability
-Oda can still make OP fruits such as Gura-Gura, Magma Fruit be able to match the power of advCOC. Btw, Kidd and Law are fighting Big Mom without advCOC up to this point.
2. OP Technological Weapon
-We haven't seen any but perhaps Vegapunk and SSG has something powerful.
3. Racial Hax
-Lunarian for example, but if King shows the need to use advCOC against Zoro, then this can be disregarded unless there are Saiyans in One Piece
It's gonna be hard for non-advCOC users to matchup against advCOC users since ODA made it one of the strongest power in One Piece.
I can only think of 3 other powers that can match advCOC aside advCOC itself:
1. OP Devil Fruit Ability
-Oda can still make OP fruits such as Gura-Gura, Magma Fruit be able to match the power of advCOC. Btw, Kidd and Law are fighting Big Mom without advCOC up to this point.
2. OP Technological Weapon
-We haven't seen any but perhaps Vegapunk and SSG has something powerful.
3. Racial Hax
-Lunarian for example, but if King shows the need to use advCOC against Zoro, then this can be disregarded unless there are Saiyans in One Piece
it won't be when Oda starts Spamming it.
Yeah, I’m sort of torn about this one.
I’m someone who has always expected there to be a ton of CoC users, since that is what Oda told us would happen through Ray and Chinjao. “Most who have made a name for themselves/the seas ahead are littered with those with CoC.”
So, yeah, it’s consistent with what Oda has told us that all the people who have CoC have it. Chinjao is the only really iffy one, since at his peak he was a mere 542 million pirate who was one-shot by Garp. That’s… really not that impressive.
But at the same time there’s also this in universe perception of it being this super rare power. And yes, technicnally speaking, I know it’s one in a million and there’s millions in the OP world so it makes sense so many have it blah blah… but from a story telling perspective it has greatly diluted in value a long time ago.
And now we need this ACoC (which is, functionally, just CoA but better) to keep it relevant since regular CoC isn’t all that great, and the whole effect is just meh.
So yeah. Not exactly surprised at the way CoC has went, but I’m expecting it to get even worse in the future with it being handed it out willy nilly. And it would perhaps have been better if Oda had hard limited himself to only letting like ten characters, past and present, have it. Don’t even let every Yonko have it, let alone their right hand men.
I’m someone who has always expected there to be a ton of CoC users, since that is what Oda told us would happen through Ray and Chinjao. “Most who have made a name for themselves/the seas ahead are littered with those with CoC.”
So, yeah, it’s consistent with what Oda has told us that all the people who have CoC have it. Chinjao is the only really iffy one, since at his peak he was a mere 542 million pirate who was one-shot by Garp. That’s… really not that impressive.
But at the same time there’s also this in universe perception of it being this super rare power. And yes, technicnally speaking, I know it’s one in a million and there’s millions in the OP world so it makes sense so many have it blah blah… but from a story telling perspective it has greatly diluted in value a long time ago.
And now we need this ACoC (which is, functionally, just CoA but better) to keep it relevant since regular CoC isn’t all that great, and the whole effect is just meh.
So yeah. Not exactly surprised at the way CoC has went, but I’m expecting it to get even worse in the future with it being handed it out willy nilly. And it would perhaps have been better if Oda had hard limited himself to only letting like ten characters, past and present, have it. Don’t even let every Yonko have it, let alone their right hand men.
Lunarians are hyped as Ancient God's who used to live on top of Red Line.
Yes it's not a concrete indication but it's a strong point in justifying why he can have CoC
Before Luffy vs kata CoC clash - Kayakuri got way more screen time in a fight than king yet kata didn't show any indication of kingly ambition. No one expected him to get it yet he got it.
Without flashback you can't decipher their story especially in regards of characters like King who aren't yonkous.
Even doffy got a flashback showing his story.
Yet you believe standing next to next and bickering portrays them rivals.
Silly Noodle logic
Yes it's not a concrete indication but it's a strong point in justifying why he can have CoC
Before Luffy vs kata CoC clash - Kayakuri got way more screen time in a fight than king yet kata didn't show any indication of kingly ambition. No one expected him to get it yet he got it.
Without flashback you can't decipher their story especially in regards of characters like King who aren't yonkous.
Even doffy got a flashback showing his story.
Yet you believe standing next to next and bickering portrays them rivals.
Silly Noodle logic
I know what you mean about the negative impact of giving CoC left and right from a narrative standpoint, something that doesn't conflict with the rules of an established universe isn't necessarily something that doesn't hurt the story. But my biggest gripe about CoC is that it's all about it now, Oda relies on it way too much. DF abilities and CoA are less and less relevant. And CoO, god, let's not even talk about CoO. Does anyone still take it seriously at this point ? CoO is really at the bottom of the food chain.
No. You say as if they were some greek pantheon.
Lunarians are considered "Gods" and able to survive in any harsh enviroment. But they are a tribe much like Minks, or Fishmen, Giants, etc.
Enel was called a "God" as well, same with Gan Fall.
I would hold on the "god" thing about the Lunarians until we get a bit more info on what happened to them.
We don't even know how "high" on the "Lunarian power hierarchy" King stands.
Lunarians are considered "Gods" and able to survive in any harsh enviroment. But they are a tribe much like Minks, or Fishmen, Giants, etc.
Enel was called a "God" as well, same with Gan Fall.
I would hold on the "god" thing about the Lunarians until we get a bit more info on what happened to them.
We don't even know how "high" on the "Lunarian power hierarchy" King stands.