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#41
But wouldn't marines be happy over executed pirates? ;)
I don't see Kaido as someone who'd care about details such as publicly broadcasting executions, but okay.
as I said they will publicly broadcast that they have Captured Marine Dog Rear Admiral XDrake for spying on them....
That is a high ranking Marine they are executinh publicly...I dont think Akainu will pass on that
 

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#42
If this arc is already underwhelming, imagine how unbearable it would become if, once again, the action was cut short and we suffered Udon 2.0 (maybe not even that) but with a lot more characters. Let Nekomamushi and company come in a critical moment if you want, but please, Oda, don't slow down the train of events now that we've known Oden's past, everybody is ready to fight and the samurais have sunk their ships because they're confident on their victory; Oden's own imprisonment was already flawed and anti-climatic, don't think you can handle it better with more and more important characters than him.

Regarding Hawkins prediction, I'd find it to be immensely more interesting that Wano ended before that month and he actually predicted some unknown future event so dangerous that the post-Wano Straw Hats only had a 19% chance of surviving.
They arent confident in their victory mate, they sunk their ship as a statement that its do or die. Thats not confidence, its to remove any sense of doubts of retreat in their minds. Also we know nothing about kaido, at all. Zilch. It can be done by the way, if you have the alliance lose then get captured and set for execution. Then we get chapters about the outside world reacting to this and things moving. And then we pan to the day of the execution with the action again.
 
#43
That actually makes a lot of sense, either way it goes with what im saying. By the way did you read red admirals post? About the possibillity of rocks being hidden and in cahoots with kaido and bm?
havent read it...Xebec would be too old to make difference though isnt it ....
on the other hand we might get Weevil joining since we know his target is WBP and Bakkin knows about Luffy and WBP having connection and they can find WBP helping luffy in wano
we will also Have Kuja pirates
 
#44
Bro what? He only says their chance of survival would be 19%, meaning they can still survive but it’s low. How is that wrong?
Yeah, you're right. I don't understand the point of his prediction in the story as 0.19 probability is pretty high considering they always are at risk as pirates. Is the key about just Luffy and Zoro being there, hm. :choppawhat:
Remember how kaido wanted the word pirate to be erased from the newspaper when news of luffys capture was done? He will present them as rebels trying to overthrow the regime and a marine trying to help them do so, reinforcing their isolationism. The world will recognizse luffy and the rest as pirates tho and the marines will try to save face anyways. So yeah. It makes sense, and dont say that only marines like public executions when oden and scabbards was a thing. It can be recreated.
Well that is just a typical coup d'etat, no? And they are samurai, last time I checked? It's a huge stretch from wanting to execute a few samurai to executing three pirate crews and the rebellion.

BUT it makes sense for Luffy's "fleet" to eventually come to rescue him. At which point of the story, 'tis hard to tell.
 
#45
They arent confident in their victory mate, they sunk their ship as a statement that its do or die. Thats not confidence, its to remove any sense of doubts of retreat in their minds. Also we know nothing about kaido, at all. Zilch. It can be done by the way, if you have the alliance lose then get captured and set for execution. Then we get chapters about the outside world reacting to this and things moving. And then we pan to the day of the execution with the action again.
That's virtually the same as confidence for a warrior that is betting his life on that battle, in my opinion.

Everything you posted can be developed in the time each player positions within Onigashima and they reach the mansion, which is by the end of the skull (this stinks to "let's reach Doflamingo's level", which equals time to cover the loose ends). Kaido could be explained as things go wrong with Linlin in the meanwhile (I doubt they will stay allies); the only problematic thing would be to fit Tama in the plot because her powers seem very convenient to be wasted.
 
#46
Yeah, you're right. I don't understand the point of his prediction in the story as 0.19 probability is pretty high considering they always are at risk as pirates. Is the key about just Luffy and Zoro being there, hm. :choppawhat:

Well that is just a typical coup d'etat, no? And they are samurai, last time I checked? It's a huge stretch from wanting to execute a few samurai to executing three pirate crews and the rebellion.

BUT it makes sense for Luffy's "fleet" to eventually come to rescue him. At which point of the story, 'tis hard to tell.
connect the dots here,
Kaido wants the biggest war world has ever seen
that was the first big comment of his after his appearance, are we to think what he said was of no value and Oda just threw it out there for no reason ?
I think that is the biggest hint Oda could give us about this war ...unless you think Kaido will survive with enough army to wage bigger war than this which is impossible since he now has BM and there isnt time and purpose left for him in OP
 
#47
connect the dots here,
Kaido wants the biggest war world has ever seen
that was the first big comment of his after his appearance, are we to think what he said was of no value and Oda just threw it out there for no reason ?
I think that is the biggest hint Oda could give us about this war ...unless you think Kaido will survive with enough army to wage bigger war than this which is impossible since he now has BM and there isnt time and purpose left for him in OP
I'm not sure what your point is? He wants to fight a war, we all know this? Very destructive and eager to fight? If you mean that he will do a live broadcast of a mass execution to get a war, then well... I just don't think this is likely.

Kaido is hardly your average scheming villain.
 

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#48
havent read it...Xebec would be too old to make difference though isnt it ....
on the other hand we might get Weevil joining since we know his target is WBP and Bakkin knows about Luffy and WBP having connection and they can find WBP helping luffy in wano
we will also Have Kuja pirates
Not really, a captain can be younger or same age as his crew. I dont get where the notion that he was already old back then comes from. Luffy is younger than most of his crew.
 

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#49
That's virtually the same as confidence for a warrior that is betting his life on that battle, in my opinion.

Everything you posted can be developed in the time each player positions within Onigashima and they reach the mansion, which is by the end of the skull (this stinks to "let's reach Doflamingo's level", which equals time to cover the loose ends). Kaido could be explained as things go wrong with Linlin in the meanwhile (I doubt they will stay allies); the only problematic thing would be to fit Tama in the plot because her powers seem very convenient to be wasted.
Actually the skull, is huge. Someone did the calcs and you see that tiny umbrella near the skull? That thing is bigger than the empire state building. The skull is country sized. Onigashima is huuuuge. But i get where you are coming from friend. Theree are just many plot hole and unresolved thing for act 3 to be where they ''win''. I just doesnt go with the kabukicho theater theme anyways.
 

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#50
Yeah, you're right. I don't understand the point of his prediction in the story as 0.19 probability is pretty high considering they always are at risk as pirates. Is the key about just Luffy and Zoro being there, hm. :choppawhat:

Well that is just a typical coup d'etat, no? And they are samurai, last time I checked? It's a huge stretch from wanting to execute a few samurai to executing three pirate crews and the rebellion.

BUT it makes sense for Luffy's "fleet" to eventually come to rescue him. At which point of the story, 'tis hard to tell.
That prediction was from oda to us the readers imo, it gives us a timeline of our stay in wano and also inform luffy whom doesnt know he had mc plot power that his chances of survival will be very low in a month. I think its a hint that something bad will happen for their chances to go that low imo. Would help my theory that they are gonna lose, hard.

Things have been going way too well recently, and 0 tention at the moment. It feels like the calm before the storm imo.

Yes it will be considered a coup d'état for the wano public, but it will be televised worldwide i would think. There is 0 reason to believe they dont have the ressources to do that, especially since they did the same with oden and the others. It will repeat. Only this time, luffy will accept the help coming to him, instead of oden trying to shoulder everything on his own.
 
#51
That prediction was from oda to us the readers imo, it gives us a timeline of our stay in wano and also inform luffy whom doesnt know he had mc plot power that his chances of survival will be very low in a month. I think its a hint that something bad will happen for their chances to go that low imo. Would help my theory that they are gonna lose, hard.

Things have been going way too well recently, and 0 tention at the moment. It feels like the calm before the storm imo.

Yes it will be considered a coup d'état for the wano public, but it will be televised worldwide i would think. There is 0 reason to believe they dont have the ressources to do that, especially since they did the same with oden and the others. It will repeat. Only this time, luffy will accept the help coming to him, instead of oden trying to shoulder everything on his own.
Yes, you're probably right about the purpose. But if you think about it mathematically and say that in theory as a pirate your chance of surviving in any battle is 50/50... Then 19% is just 31% less than usual. Still pretty high. If you ask me, that was plot armor for Hawkins not to chase them anymore as his role/battle will come later.

Hmmmmmmm "only this time, Luffy will accept the help coming to him, instead of Oden trying to shoulder everything on his own", that sounds very poetic, I like that. Wouldn't mind it happening. As I said, they have to come to rescue him sooner or later.
 
#52
Actually the skull, is huge. Someone did the calcs and you see that tiny umbrella near the skull? That thing is bigger than the empire state building. The skull is country sized. Onigashima is huuuuge. But i get where you are coming from friend. Theree are just many plot hole and unresolved thing for act 3 to be where they ''win''. I just doesnt go with the kabukicho theater theme anyways.
I don't think that they win in act 3, I simply think that what is left of act 3 or just act 4 could develop everything that still needs to be developed because, as you said, the skull is huge, Onigashima is still an island and Kaido's mansion is at the end of it. So imagine how many plots could be started, developed and closed while they get there.
 

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#53
I don't think that they win in act 3, I simply think that what is left of act 3 or just act 4 could develop everything that still needs to be developed because, as you said, the skull is huge, Onigashima is still an island and Kaido's mansion is at the end of it. So imagine how many plots could be started, developed and closed while they get there.
You know, they could actually hide out in onigashima while reinforcements arrive. There is enough space of that
 

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#54
Yes, you're probably right about the purpose. But if you think about it mathematically and say that in theory as a pirate your chance of surviving in any battle is 50/50... Then 19% is just 31% less than usual. Still pretty high. If you ask me, that was plot armor for Hawkins not to chase them anymore as his role/battle will come later.

Hmmmmmmm "only this time, Luffy will accept the help coming to him, instead of Oden trying to shoulder everything on his own", that sounds very poetic, I like that. Wouldn't mind it happening. As I said, they have to come to rescue him sooner or later.
Yeah i get you, and yes imo luffy will succeed wheere oden couldnt. By Accepting help. It is after all his greatest power. To make allies :P
 
#55
Yeah there's clearly a bunch of plot points that quite literally cannot be addressed here.

I wouldn't even be surprised if we get a parallel to another Oden boiling lol.
 
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#56
The fleet ANad others, the marines + Blackbeard are coming for sure. Add to that the fact that big mom will somehow someway have her o lin thing come into play and turn on kaido. Fundamentally, I do not believe the alliance has what it takes right now to win. It makes no sense story wise or powerscaling wise.
There won't be failure.....failure means death at this stage...but what I am expecting is some kind of setback.....where alliance will retreat and remake a strategy and come up with good plan while some prominent members get captured and they were set up for execution after some time which gives some buffer time to alliance...meanwhile the appearance of marines will add chaos which will be advantage to the alliance...anyways lets see how the things will play out...
 
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