Controversial The defenitive thread about swordsmanship skills and titles.

Why you deny that Shanks is not a Grandmaster while Vista and Ushimaru are.. Pretty straightforward..
Shanks is grand master too.
Skills in One Piece are very limited, Vista Shanks Mihawk etc have same amount of skills. Zoro too.
But it is Haki that makes Mihawk WSS that's why Vista although had skills to fight Mihawk, his Haki was far below so he gave up.


That's why Zoro is always learning Haki.
The guy with strongest Haki would be WSS hence why WSS title is worth canonically a lot more than Yonko.
 
People are getting confused between Zoro's dream and Mihawk's title. All you've done is confirm that Shanks is a swordsman; was Big Mom ever referred to as a swordmaster? King? Pica? These are names commonly used to argue that Shanks is not a swordsman when he literally has the title of master swordsman.

Mihawk's title has been translated as World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro's dream may directly translate to being the strongest Great Swordsman, but Mihawk's title has been translated as being the strongest swordsman in canon material. Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi.

That puts him above everyone who is considered a swordsman; and if you're a swordmaster, you are absolutely considered a swordsman. All you've indicated is that Shanks isn't included in Zoro's dream, but Zoro's dream =/= Mihawk's title.

Zoro is a master swordsman stronger than Vista and Ushimaru, two people considered Dai-Kengo. But Zoro is still a swordsman. As such, he would be included in Mihawk's title of Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi. And so is Shanks.
 
Shanks is grand master too.
Skills in One Piece are very limited, Vista Shanks Mihawk etc have same amount of skills. Zoro too.
But it is Haki that makes Mihawk WSS that's why Vista although had skills to fight Mihawk, his Haki was far below so he gave up.


That's why Zoro is always learning Haki.
The guy with strongest Haki would be WSS hence why WSS title is worth canonically a lot more than Yonko.
lt was stated that Shanks is not a Grandmaster, hes a Sword master..
 
People are getting confused between Zoro's dream and Mihawk's title. All you've done is confirm that Shanks is a swordsman. Was Big Mom ever referred to as a swordmaster? King? Pica? These are names commonly used to argue that Shanks is not a swordsman when he literally has the title of master swordsman.

Mihawk's title has been translated as World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro's dream may directly translate to being the strong Great Swordsman, but Mihawk's title has been translated as being the strongest swordsman in canon material. Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi.

That puts him above everyone who is considered a swordsman; and if you're a swordmaster, you are absolutely considered a swordsman. All you've indicated is that Shanks isn't included in Zoro's dream, but Zoro's dream =/= Mihawk's title.

Zoro is a master swordsman stronger than Vista and Ushimaru, two people considered Dai-Kengo. But Zoro is still a swordsman. As such, he would be included in Mihawk's title of Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi. And so is Shanks.
Grandmaster > Master

ls that too complicated?..
 

Peroroncino

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People are getting confused between Zoro's dream and Mihawk's title. All you've done is confirm that Shanks is a swordsman. Was Big Mom ever referred to as a swordmaster? King? Pica? These are names commonly used to argue that Shanks is not a swordsman when he literally has the title of master swordsman.

Mihawk's title has been translated as World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro's dream may directly translate to being the strong Great Swordsman, but Mihawk's title has been translated as being the strongest swordsman in canon material. Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi.

That puts him above everyone who is considered a swordsman; and if you're a swordmaster, you are absolutely considered a swordsman. All you've indicated is that Shanks isn't included in Zoro's dream, but Zoro's dream =/= Mihawk's title.

Zoro is a master swordsman stronger than Vista and Ushimaru, two people considered Dai-Kengo. But Zoro is still a swordsman. As such, he would be included in Mihawk's title of Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi. And so is Shanks.
As if it needed confirmation oda himself called shanks and roger swordsman in an SBS
 
lt was stated that Shanks is not a Grandmaster, hes a Sword master..
We literally have thread calling Shanks a Great Sword master.
And since when did that become center focus of Zoro's journey?

Pre Time skip Zoro was lifting weights
Now he's getting stronger and stronger Haki.

What is this dai kengu bullshit and why is Vista not worth more than Shanks like Mihawk is?
 

Peroroncino

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We literally have thread calling Shanks a Great Sword master.
And since when did that become center focus of Zoro's journey?

Pre Time skip Zoro was lifting weights
Now he's getting stronger and stronger Haki.

What is this dai kengu bullshit and why is Vista not worth more than Shanks like Mihawk is?
Dude you are arguing with a guy who thinks zoro doesnt have advcoc.
Why bother with braindead people?
 
We literally have thread calling Shanks a Great Sword master.
And since when did that become center focus of Zoro's journey?

Pre Time skip Zoro was lifting weights
Now he's getting stronger and stronger Haki.

What is this dai kengu bullshit and why is Vista not worth more than Shanks like Mihawk is?
No Shanks is a Sword Master or show the threard or any proof of the contrary..

Daikengou/Grandmaster>> kengou/Master

Pretty simple
 
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