Current Events The dialogue confirms, with 0 ambiguity, that King and Queen tried to fight Ryokugyu. Update: The OFFICIAL dialogue makes it worse.

It wouldn’t make sense for Admirals to be equal to the YC but it makes sense for Yonko=Admirals or rather that Top tiers in general are around the same level.

I have a theory that some of the Celestial dragons are actually top tiers too
 
The only non captain yet top tier/legend who is known to mess (and even more) with an admiral is dark king. All the others that we have seen them fight are below admirals. Katakuri, Marco king all of them would lose, even though they are the strongest under their captains.
The thing with King and Queen is that greenbull has a df that literally cancels their greatest strength, witch is their durability and even more so for king, so they were doomed from the beginning lol.
It's not like they were going to win otherwise but it would be more difficult for them to lose plus they were still with bandages on, so they weren't at 100%.
I don't understand why some people dismiss their condition, i mean oda bothered enough to draw the bandages, so there is a reason for it.
On another note, Sanji and Zoro accomplish a great feat, leaving two ancient zoans with wounds after a whole week. Well done :luffydab:
 
And what does it matter if it's a rescue mission? Who are you planning to rescue with 1 vs 3 Yonko + Garp and Sengoku? It is complete suicide.

Also, when did Garp say that a fight between a Yonko and an Admiral would be mutually destructive? Shiki faced Garp, who is probably the strongest Marine, and Sengoku and it still wasn't an easy fight for the two Marines.
Half the Strawhats did a rescue mission into a Yonko’s territory against a full Yonko crew. That excuse doesn’t work because it’s not like the characters doing the rescuing are going to stop regardless of the odds.

Add everyone else in the world against him, and Whitebeard would have still tried to rescue his son.
 
Gorosei are the Celestials Dragon top tiers.
Not the gorosei while I do think they are fairly strong but not top tiers more like regular CP0 level but their role is purely political here.

I think the most powerful celestial dragons have not been introduced to the story yet and I think that “some” of the celestial dragons are trained to do be fighters and let’s not forget that their ancestors did defeat Joy Boy 800 years ago
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There’s no way a chubby walking Michael Gorbachev reference is a top tier lol
Not the gorosei but ones we haven’t been introduced to yet
 
Half the Strawhats did a rescue mission into a Yonko’s territory against a full Yonko crew. That excuse doesn’t work because it’s not like the characters doing the rescuing are going to stop regardless of the odds.

Add everyone else in the world against him, and Whitebeard would have still tried to rescue his son.
I agree, Shirohige would go against the entire world if necessary, but he would not risk his children.

Also, Sanji's rescue is nothing like Ace's. Ace's had the entire Marines on alert. It was clear that they were going to fight and if indeed Admirals = Yonko, to die.

Big Mom wasn't aware of Luffy's arrival, she wasn't prepared and Luffy wasn't going to fight, so she didn't bring the whole crew.

They are completely different situations.
 
There’s no way a chubby walking Michael Gorbachev reference is a top tier lol
The guys who guards the throne are weak, ok.

The guy who has Ichidai kitetsu one of the 12 supreme is weak, ok.
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Not the gorosei while I do think they are fairly strong but not top tiers more like regular CP0 level but their role is purely political here.

I think the most powerful celestial dragons have not been introduced to the story yet and I think that “some” of the celestial dragons are trained to do be fighters and let’s not forget that their ancestors did defeat Joy Boy 800 years ago
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Not the gorosei but ones we haven’t been introduced to yet
Tthe guys who guards the throne is not a top tier?
 
The guy who has Ichidai kitetsu one of the 12 supreme is weak, ok.
That’s not confirmed to be the ichidai. That’s just a theory.

The guys who guards the throne are weak, ok.
Where does it say they guard the throne?
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The Gorosei do not guard the throne, where did you even get that from lol. The Gorosei have literal guards who guard them. Lol
He’s bugging.
 
It's obvious that the admirals are better than the calamities. Marco already prove it when fighting them. Marco>=king.

The top five squad leaders in whitebeard's crew did much better against the admirals than the calamities ever could.
 
It's obvious that the admirals are better than the calamities. Marco already prove it when fighting them. Marco>=king.

The top five squad leaders in whitebeard's crew did much better against the admirals than the calamities ever could.
In small skirmishes. The moment they were offguard for even a second the admirals deaded them.
 
Well any character who gets hit off guard would be fatal
Nope, because we saw Jozu hit Aokiji offguard with Brilliant Punk and it only gave him a small lip bleed.

On the flip side, when Aokiji hit Jozu offguard with a nameless attack he was immediately out of the fight and down an arm.

It wasn’t as explicitly as it is here because powerscaling was fuzzier in the pre time skip, but admirals are significantly stronger than commanders. Not just the calamities.
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You are saying it yourself, they defeated them by mistake, not by pure force. And Marco wasn't even beaten.
The moment Marco couldn’t regenerate he was instantly defeated.

That implies that Marco was only keeping up because of his regen.

And we literally saw a weakened Akainu take on all of the WBP at once.
 
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