Current Events The dialogue confirms, with 0 ambiguity, that King and Queen tried to fight Ryokugyu. Update: The OFFICIAL dialogue makes it worse.

[Killer#777]

Nope, because we saw Jozu hit Aokiji offguard with Brilliant Punk and it only gave him a small lip bleed.

Didn't Aokiji turn into ice to negate the damage though?

On the flip side, when Aokiji hit Jozu offguard with a nameless attack he was immediately out of the fight and down an arm.

Well he did froze his arm that's different from using a brute force attack.

It wasn’t as explicitly as it is here because powerscaling was fuzzier in the pre time skip, but admirals are significantly stronger than commanders. Not just the calamities.

You do realize not all yonko crews are structure the same right? Don't get me wrong I still think the admirals win but not all yonko crew members are as weak as the calamities.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

You do realize not all yonko crews are structure the same right? Don't get me wrong I still think the admirals win but not all yonko crew members are as weak as the calamities.

King + Queen not only have higher bounties than the WBP or sweet commanders, but their bounties are higher relative to their captain’s.

I don’t really think it makes sense for them to be noticeably weaker than other commanders.

 

[Wuuuke]

Official translation.?

Yup

 

[Killer#777]

King + Queen not only have higher bounties than the WBP or sweet commanders, but their bounties are higher relative to their captain’s.

having a higher bounty make them stronger just more destructive than the division commanders and sweet generals.

I don’t really think it makes sense for them to be noticeably weaker than other commanders.

Why because they are zoans?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

having a higher bounty make them stronger just more destructive than the division commanders and sweet generals.


Why because they are zoans?

No because I think they have better demonstrated feats/abilities than all commanders other than Marco, and the only thing he’s shown that’s better is his ability to stall top tiers.

 

[Wuuuke]

The raws make it seems far worse, GB statement applies to people even like Beckmann/Shriyu

I mean the official translation seems to include them as well

 

[Udell]

And what does it matter if it's a rescue mission? Who are you planning to rescue with 1 vs 3 Yonko + Garp and Sengoku? It is complete suicide.

Also, when did Garp say that a fight between a Yonko and an Admiral would be mutually destructive? Shiki faced Garp, who is probably the strongest Marine, and Sengoku and it still wasn't an easy fight for the two Marines.

It is not suicide. The admirals couldn't move how they want to because WB devil fruit was so destructive they had to be on the defensive. Akainu even got mad when the other two left because they also had to protect Marine ford, we saw what happened to a whole island when two top tiers seriously go at it. Even Greenbull changed the whole landscape at Udon. Clearly he did not whole back against the two YC1. So these top tiers have to consider collateral damage as well. These admirals are no joke and the same can be said about WB. If they had just left their post then WB could have one shot that tower when they left. Seriously did you pay attention during the war arc?

Garp was talking about the balance of powers. Right at the time when he talked about Dragon being Luffy's father. At the time the warlords were there to balance the powers but obviously the navy abolish it because they have enough fire power to deal with the 4 yonko's you need to pay attention to things like this. The only reason why the navy needed them in the first place is because of the yonkos.

 

[Weeman]

The raws make it seems far worse, GB statement applies to people even like Beckmann/Shriyu

For plot related reasons they pretty much have to be above the rest of YC1s just like Rayleigh would naturally be above them.
But admirals still beat them most likely.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I agree, Shirohige would go against the entire world if necessary, but he would not risk his children.

Also, Sanji's rescue is nothing like Ace's. Ace's had the entire Marines on alert. It was clear that they were going to fight and if indeed Admirals = Yonko, to die.

Big Mom wasn't aware of Luffy's arrival, she wasn't prepared and Luffy wasn't going to fight, so she didn't bring the whole crew.

They are completely different situations.

What is he going to do? Tell them they are grounded and can’t go and try to rescue their brother? He can’t stop his whole crew and allies by himself even if he wanted to.

And yes Big Mom was aware of Luffy’s arrival. Her entire song and dance number ended with her revealing that she knew he was there.
It also doesn’t change the fact that the possibility of running into Big Mom herself was always there while invading her territory.The Strawhats obviously knew that and still accepted the risk.

 

[mrtsrdr]

So normal. Oda's writing style is like that. He prefers to introduce what is yonkou and admirals at marineford. But this kind of thing just introducing.

For example , Did oda show Kaido's hybrid form at the Oden past ?
Have we seen any logia awakening ?
Have we seen any full potential admiral feasts ? Punk hazard should have given clue about this.

At marineford , akainu finished ace just one punch .

I should admit. Admirals are at grey region. Too strong for commanders and but they cannot take down a yonkou 1vs1 .

My only curiosity is 5 elder have power or they are just politicians ? That is all :)

 

[Rootbeer]

Have we seen any logia awakening ?

lsn't it more of the same though?.. Turning an island to ice is just producing ice at a larger scale?..

 

[ranady]

Yup

Fat L

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Didn't Aokiji turn into ice to negate the damage though?

This is not a thing. Either you hurt a logia or you don't, and Jozu did hurt Aokiji, but the injury was so minimal that Aokiji only had a lip-bleed and crippled Jozu for life shortly afterward.

Well he did froze his arm that's different from using a brute force attack.

And this is how the Admirals fight. This is how Oda classifies their "strength", it doesn't matter that Aokiji didn't punch Jozu's arm off, what matters is that Aokiji took Jozu's arm off.

You do realize not all yonko crews are structure the same right? Don't get me wrong I still think the admirals win but not all yonko crew members are as weak as the calamities.

The Calamities are like, the strongest Yonko crew members we've seen lol. The only commanders we've seen comparable to King and Queen are Katakuri, Marco and debatably Jozu...so like, the very strongest ones lol. I can't think of any Yonko crewmates we've seen that are stronger than the Calamities, bar maybe Beckman who is a humongous question mark, and Shiryu who's stock massively dropped when he ate a Devil Fruit primarily useful for stealth rather than actual combat.

So you have two of the strongest Yonko crewmates in existence trying to fight an Admiral with Headliner support, getting completely neg diffed, and then that Admiral directly stating that there is no way an Admiral will be stopped by "a few mere commanders." lol

 

[mrtsrdr]

lsn't it more of the same though?.. Turning an island to ice is just producing ice at a larger scale?..

I mean we dont see any fight to show logia awakening.

And this point , I believe that logia awakening is stronger than mytical whatever awakening .

 

[centurion]

I already prepared yankers future copium for you :

I believe the correct medical name for that drug is "Yonkopium"

 

[LilPanda]

Yeah because those people who said that are probably kids or they are people in denial and say things just to get views. Or both. Admirals have always been strong. That part of community is about to be clowned on by Oda. It fills my heart with joy knowing that that both admirals and Zoro’s stocks are about to go through the roof. Admirals will show they are actually top tiers and zoro will kill kaido soon when he and big mom make their epic return.

It’s time for the age of slander to end and for these truths to be revealed.

 

[Arthur Fleck]

http://imgur.com/a/9w6ZYoO

Edit:
The official dialogue:

http://imgur.com/a/JQYWt0M

Why are we even debating about this at this point?

How is the official translation worse? I think the official translation is more vague than the previous one.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

How is the official translation worse? I think the official translation is more vague than the previous one.

“I warned you not to test me” indicates that he wasn’t the one who started the fight.

The official dialogue even moreso than the original makes it seem like Ryokugyu got attacked by Queen and King and destroyed them in self defense.

 

[Arthur Fleck]

“I warned you not to test me” indicates that he wasn’t the one who started the fight.

The official dialogue even moreso than the original makes it seem like Ryokugyu got attacked by Queen and King and destroyed them in self defense.

The first dialogue actually had indication that they fought before this panels. "Give it a rest, ALREADY", means that they had fought.

While the second one could have been that he attacked them and captured them. Then warned them not to resist. The first one has more indication that they fought.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

The first dialogue actually had indication that they fought before this panels. "Give it a rest, ALREADY", means that they had fought.

While the second one could have been that he attacked them and captured them. Then warned them not to resist. The first one has more indication that they fought.

I disagree. I have like the exact opposite reading lol.

The first one had some wiggle room while the second one doesn’t.