Questions & Mysteries The difference between Zoro, Sanji, Jimbe and The Captain
Eh, before this goes further off topic, Luffy's crew isn't anything like the Rocks. The Rocks were a bunch of big personalities held together by one tough guy. Strawhats are working to together towards the goal of finding One Piece, and among other things they function kind of like a family. Outside of Zoro's and Sanji's petty rivalry, there isn't any friction in the group. So unless something bad happens, the group isn't going to split and are happy to be under Luffy's command.
The grand fleet is a bit different. The captains (sans Bart) serve Luffy because they owe his crew bigly for saving them at Dressrosa. Plus, if Luffy does find One Piece they get to be a part of something world changing.
The grand fleet is a bit different. The captains (sans Bart) serve Luffy because they owe his crew bigly for saving them at Dressrosa. Plus, if Luffy does find One Piece they get to be a part of something world changing.
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When you put your captain dream first
When you do something coz your captain says so
It means you are a mere follower whether you like it or not.
"People saw Zoro as leader" coz of him attacking CDs? Lol
"Zoro led Admiral and co" lol calling for help coz you cant stop something by yourself isnt leading!
When you do something coz your captain says so
It means you are a mere follower whether you like it or not.
"People saw Zoro as leader" coz of him attacking CDs? Lol
"Zoro led Admiral and co" lol calling for help coz you cant stop something by yourself isnt leading!
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When you quote ''uses violence'' it's really funny. You act like he's an aggressive teenager who beats his own mother. Being an anime of fictional characters, where the use of physical power is much more common and feasible. By your logic, I can say that Zoro is always trying to cut Sanji, since in his comical fights Zoro is using swords to fight him, I can just ignore the important point where this is just a drawing where Interactions are very different from a normal and conventional real-life coexistence logic.
At none of those times you listed Sanji was objectively wrong (assuming your arbitrary perspective).
Sanji repressed Usopp just by respecting the word of the captain who wanted to fight one-to-one against Aokiji.
On whole cake island, the most correct attitude Sanji could take is to orchestrate a betrayal, so any attempt at interacting with Luffy could put Zeff's life in jeopardy, Sanji faking a betrayal for Luffy to give up on him and leave from the island was the best way to preserve Zeff's life.
Yes, Sanji is sensitive to his emotions, and that's a bad trait for a leader. But Luffy himself most often explodes with his emotions and does wrong things, put the pack at risk, put a plan that was being worked on days at risk because of the outbursts of his feelings (as happened in wano). Luffy, having no control over his emotions, almost told Usopp to leave the ship, and was totally repressed by Sanji and Luffy himself acknowledged that he was wrong right away:
Yes, Zoro has a lot more emotional control than Luffy and Sanji, but that doesn't really make him a better leader. Zoro also has its flaws, he gets lost straight and is not as smart as Sanji.
Databook yellow says about Sanji:
'' The ability to analyze a situation coldly! And so he discovers the best road to victory ''
'' Your keen insight and judgment allow you to read the situation almost instantly. In many situations, it was your plans that saved your teammates from trouble. ''
Sanji's strategic skills are completely emphasized in the manga, he managed to avoid a buster call with several vice admirals using a battle strategy.
You can hate Sanji as much as you like, but at least admit that your mental, strategic, and cold abilities are perfect for a leader.
What do you tell me when Sanji led the crew spectacularly well and managed to counter a yonkou ship and do well?
What do you say when Sanji spectacularly led Usopp and Franky on the ocean train, avoiding much physical conflict?
What do you tell me about Sanji's role as advisor, advising Usopp, Chopper and Luffy several times in the manga?
In the end, Zoro and Sanji are good leaders, but each with his department, Zoro has a lot of emotional control, so he's a better leader in tough situations, while Sanji is a smarter, more tactical leader who can lead using strategies. cold to take the victory.
While Zoro is not as smart and strategic, Sanji sometimes does not have the necessary control of his emotions. In the end, each one is good at what they were designed to be.
At none of those times you listed Sanji was objectively wrong (assuming your arbitrary perspective).
Sanji repressed Usopp just by respecting the word of the captain who wanted to fight one-to-one against Aokiji.
On whole cake island, the most correct attitude Sanji could take is to orchestrate a betrayal, so any attempt at interacting with Luffy could put Zeff's life in jeopardy, Sanji faking a betrayal for Luffy to give up on him and leave from the island was the best way to preserve Zeff's life.
Yes, Sanji is sensitive to his emotions, and that's a bad trait for a leader. But Luffy himself most often explodes with his emotions and does wrong things, put the pack at risk, put a plan that was being worked on days at risk because of the outbursts of his feelings (as happened in wano). Luffy, having no control over his emotions, almost told Usopp to leave the ship, and was totally repressed by Sanji and Luffy himself acknowledged that he was wrong right away:
Yes, Zoro has a lot more emotional control than Luffy and Sanji, but that doesn't really make him a better leader. Zoro also has its flaws, he gets lost straight and is not as smart as Sanji.
Databook yellow says about Sanji:
'' The ability to analyze a situation coldly! And so he discovers the best road to victory ''
'' Your keen insight and judgment allow you to read the situation almost instantly. In many situations, it was your plans that saved your teammates from trouble. ''
Sanji's strategic skills are completely emphasized in the manga, he managed to avoid a buster call with several vice admirals using a battle strategy.
You can hate Sanji as much as you like, but at least admit that your mental, strategic, and cold abilities are perfect for a leader.
What do you tell me when Sanji led the crew spectacularly well and managed to counter a yonkou ship and do well?
What do you say when Sanji spectacularly led Usopp and Franky on the ocean train, avoiding much physical conflict?
What do you tell me about Sanji's role as advisor, advising Usopp, Chopper and Luffy several times in the manga?
In the end, Zoro and Sanji are good leaders, but each with his department, Zoro has a lot of emotional control, so he's a better leader in tough situations, while Sanji is a smarter, more tactical leader who can lead using strategies. cold to take the victory.
While Zoro is not as smart and strategic, Sanji sometimes does not have the necessary control of his emotions. In the end, each one is good at what they were designed to be.
Hmm zoro has already shown great king ambition through out the manga and is thé only strawhat who has been mistaken for the captain numerous Times.Ofc he follows Luffy but that doesn't mean he is a follower type when you have mihawk saying luffy has a power which makes everybody want to help him,it is just luffy's abnormal charisma.
People saying oden is not a follower and would never throwaway his ambition for another person,have you read last chapter? Oden's dream was to leave wano on wb ship,he was given 3 days to hold on to a chain,yet he let the chain go when he had only 10 mins left to hold on to it to save a woman.You know what that is? It is throwing away your ambition for another person's sake and it is only because of that act that wb let oden join them.Because wb saw he was mistaken about oden not being capable of throwing away his ambitions for someone's sake.
In that regard,wb realized oden is very different from his rox crew mates.
In conclusion,wb telling at the start of last chapter oden is not the type to follow anyone was just wb not knowing oden at all, and just thinking oden was a wild person.
Also,oden hasn't been shown refusing wb orders after joining wb pirates last chapter,which should be proof of him having no problem following someone.
The first order he was given was to join the ship,and he did not complain at all when wb was talking to him.
Concerning zoro,apart from Luffy,i don't see anyone he would gladly follow without complaints.Even till this day,the way he just followed luffy without any Real struggles like Sanji is really weird to me.
People saying oden is not a follower and would never throwaway his ambition for another person,have you read last chapter? Oden's dream was to leave wano on wb ship,he was given 3 days to hold on to a chain,yet he let the chain go when he had only 10 mins left to hold on to it to save a woman.You know what that is? It is throwing away your ambition for another person's sake and it is only because of that act that wb let oden join them.Because wb saw he was mistaken about oden not being capable of throwing away his ambitions for someone's sake.
In that regard,wb realized oden is very different from his rox crew mates.
In conclusion,wb telling at the start of last chapter oden is not the type to follow anyone was just wb not knowing oden at all, and just thinking oden was a wild person.
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Also,oden hasn't been shown refusing wb orders after joining wb pirates last chapter,which should be proof of him having no problem following someone.
The first order he was given was to join the ship,and he did not complain at all when wb was talking to him.
Concerning zoro,apart from Luffy,i don't see anyone he would gladly follow without complaints.Even till this day,the way he just followed luffy without any Real struggles like Sanji is really weird to me.
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@Chaves Luffy wasn't wrong at all in what he said to Usopp. Which is why Zoro kept quiet and didn't interfere. Luffy was wrong when he went back on that and he started kissing up to Usopp right after that kick. That was the moment he needed to he decisive and lay down the law, but instead he showed weakness.
Like Roronoa said, a captain has to be decisive, they're not playing pirate games, they are pirates. You can't respect the captain's decision who himself was very much attached to the old ship, then hit the exit door.
Oh 100% for sure. Which is why Luffy is a great leader, since he acknowledges what he can or cant do and let's his crew handle the things he cant do. So yea def. a trait of a good leader.
Like Roronoa said, a captain has to be decisive, they're not playing pirate games, they are pirates. You can't respect the captain's decision who himself was very much attached to the old ship, then hit the exit door.
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Oh 100% for sure. Which is why Luffy is a great leader, since he acknowledges what he can or cant do and let's his crew handle the things he cant do. So yea def. a trait of a good leader.
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Sanji scolding Luffy at that time was not wrong, Luffy was about to make a very heavy statement at that time. When Luffy became calmer, he himself admitted that he was wrong.
And if Sanji had been objectively wrong, Zoro would have interfered with something.
In the rest of the things you said, I agree with you.
Although, the point is not that, the point is that Sanji is a leader perhaps even better than Zoro and Jinbe.
And if Sanji had been objectively wrong, Zoro would have interfered with something.
In the rest of the things you said, I agree with you.
Although, the point is not that, the point is that Sanji is a leader perhaps even better than Zoro and Jinbe.
Sanji was wrong in the situation, he prevented Luffy from laying down the law in the crew and setting a crewmate who not only mocked his captainship but also defamed him. Just because Luffy started regretting what he said after Sanji kicked him, doesn't make Sanji right, just shows how Luffy wasn't fully decisive as a captain yet. If Sanji wanted to interfere he should've done it when this happened:
Zoro didn't interfere period, because he was letting Luffy handle it as the captain. That's why he didn't interfere with Luffy laying down the law on Ussop. And in fact what's noticeable is Zoro starts getting intolerable towards Ussop as he keeps up his rant:
Zoro is def. the better one in leadership out of the two, hence he takes the vice-captain role.
Zoro didn't interfere period, because he was letting Luffy handle it as the captain. That's why he didn't interfere with Luffy laying down the law on Ussop. And in fact what's noticeable is Zoro starts getting intolerable towards Ussop as he keeps up his rant:
Zoro is def. the better one in leadership out of the two, hence he takes the vice-captain role.
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Sanji was wrong in the situation, he prevented Luffy from laying down the law in the crew and setting a crewmate who not only mocked his captainship but also defamed him. Just because Luffy started regretting what he said after Sanji kicked him, doesn't make Sanji right, just shows how Luffy wasn't fully decisive as a captain yet. If Sanji wanted to interfere he should've done it when this happened:
Zoro didn't interfere period, because he was letting Luffy handle it as the captain. That's why he didn't interfere with Luffy laying down the law on Ussop. And in fact what's noticeable is Zoro starts getting intolerable towards Ussop as he keeps up his rant:
Zoro is def. the better one in leadership out of the two, hence he takes the vice-captain role.
Zoro didn't interfere period, because he was letting Luffy handle it as the captain. That's why he didn't interfere with Luffy laying down the law on Ussop. And in fact what's noticeable is Zoro starts getting intolerable towards Ussop as he keeps up his rant:
Zoro is def. the better one in leadership out of the two, hence he takes the vice-captain role.
Yet his leadership skills is only saying to luffy "be decisive " "take nw seriously"
Please stop weiring stuff that isn't made
Zoro has no better leadership skills than even Nami or Ussop
Do you know what a Vice-Captain is? He or she is the 2nd leader of the crew.
Is Sanji the one who acts as that? No
Is Nami the one who acts as that? No
Is it Ussop? No
Who is the one who acts as the Vice-Captain of the strawhats? Roronoa Zoro
You're trying to claim the guy who is highlighted for being the 2nd leader of the crew constantly in the manga and even acknowledged as such by the one piece world has no leadership skills? you're not making sense.
The guy was on some Braveheart shit back in Dressrosa.
Is Sanji the one who acts as that? No
Is Nami the one who acts as that? No
Is it Ussop? No
Who is the one who acts as the Vice-Captain of the strawhats? Roronoa Zoro
You're trying to claim the guy who is highlighted for being the 2nd leader of the crew constantly in the manga and even acknowledged as such by the one piece world has no leadership skills? you're not making sense.
The guy was on some Braveheart shit back in Dressrosa.
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