Questions & Mysteries The difference between Zoro, Sanji, Jimbe and The Captain

Den_Den_Mushi

Den_Den_Mushi

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ZenZu said:
Jinbei is much a better leader of men than Zoro. Zoro isn't really a leader type, he'd be more like Mihawk if he didn't run into Luffy.
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I have to respectfully disagree.

Zoro is a leader by example. He doesn’t demand that others follow him, but they do because he’s capable, pragmatic and able to make use of the resources at his disposal. He was responsible for conducting negotiations with King Neptune and the Scabbards, gladiators and even Fujitora followed his lead in Dressrosa. What Jinbe has over Zoro is his years of experience and his strategic mind, which Zoro isn’t even that bad at, he was the one that suggested that it was tactically unwise to fight two Yonko at once. He also spontaneously came up with the anti-Pica strategy to save King Riku with only moments to spare. If Mihawk’s leadership is anything like Zoro’s, let’s just say you will be better off under his captainship than say someone like Kidd or even veterans like Moria.

Would Mihawk/Zoro be a popular leader? Debatable.

Would they shoot out world government bases screaming about nakama? Probably not.

Would they be capable, clear headed and act in the crew’s best interest? Yes. Any crew captained by Mihawk or Zoro would undoubtedly be a success.
 
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Inspector_Mu

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Xione said:
Do you know what a Vice-Captain is? He or she is the 2nd leader of the crew.

Is Sanji the one who acts as that? No
Is Nami the one who acts as that? No
Is it Ussop? No
Who is the one who acts as the Vice-Captain of the strawhats? Roronoa Zoro

You're trying to claim the guy who is highlighted for being the 2nd leader of the crew constantly in the manga and even acknowledged as such by the one piece world has no leadership skills? you're not making sense.
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He is not highlighted as 2nd leader
He cant even round up samurai as he boasted... the biggest joke ever.
He never had Strawhats named after him
He's not the one who makes tactics

He is a loner. Someone cool headed but with zero leadership record whether prior Joining or after.

Who did Zoro led in his life? He never led a crew/business/ army in his life.

Apart from saying those words, when exactly did Zoro lead Strawhats?
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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I have to respectfully disagree.

Zoro is a leader by example. He doesn’t demand that others follow him, but they do because he’s capable, pragmatic and able to make use of the resources at his disposal. He was responsible for conducting negotiations with King Neptune and the Scabbards, gladiators and even Fujitora followed his lead in Dressrosa. What Jinbe has over Zoro is his years of experience and his strategic mind, which Zoro isn’t even that bad at, he was the one that suggested that it was tactically unwise to fight two Yonko at once. He also spontaneously came up with the anti-Pica strategy to save King Riku with only moments to spare. If Mihawk’s leadership is anything like Zoro’s, let’s just say you will be better off under his captainship than say someone like Kidd or even veterans like Moria.

Would Mihawk/Zoro be a popular leader? Debatable.

Would they shoot out world government bases screaming about nakama? Probably not.

Would they be capable, clear headed and act in the crew’s best interest? Yes. Any crew captained by Mihawk or Zoro would undoubtedly be a success.
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Coz he couldn't cut birdcage and asked help

Zoro wont lead a crew to success coz he isnt born for it
They will end up as WB pirates under Marco... disbanded and lost
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I have to respectfully disagree.

Zoro is a leader by example. He doesn’t demand that others follow him, but they do because he’s capable, pragmatic and able to make use of the resources at his disposal. He was responsible for conducting negotiations with King Neptune and the Scabbards, gladiators and even Fujitora followed his lead in Dressrosa. What Jinbe has over Zoro is his years of experience and his strategic mind, which Zoro isn’t even that bad at, he was the one that suggested that it was tactically unwise to fight two Yonko at once. He also spontaneously came up with the anti-Pica strategy to save King Riku with only moments to spare. If Mihawk’s leadership is anything like Zoro’s, let’s just say you will be better off under his captainship than say someone like Kidd or even veterans like Moria.

Would Mihawk/Zoro be a popular leader? Debatable.

Would they shoot out world government bases screaming about nakama? Probably not.

Would they be capable, clear headed and act in the crew’s best interest? Yes. Any crew captained by Mihawk or Zoro would undoubtedly be a success.
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not to mention the X stuff in alabasta :cheers:
 
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Inspector_Mu

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#84
"Zoro is better coz he came up with a plan"
Sanji has been making plans and succeed

Yet somehow he isnt a great leader according to Z boys

Zoro make one plan or suggest one thing
Boom He is better leader than jinbie and sanji

Fanboyism
 
Xione

Xione

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Jo_Ndule said:
He is not highlighted as 2nd leader
He cant even round up samurai as he boasted... the biggest joke ever.
He never had Strawhats named after him
He's not the one who makes tactics

He is a loner. Someone cool headed but with zero leadership record whether prior Joining or after.

Who did Zoro led in his life? He never led a crew/business/ army in his life.

Apart from saying those words, when exactly did Zoro lead Strawhats?
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"he is not highlighted as 2nd leader" ... This means you don't pay attention to the manga and the supplementry material around the manga.


- He never attempted to round up the samurai, yet. How exactly this reflects his leadership, idk.
- Why would he? He's always with Luffy.
- Nobody makes "tactics" for the crew lmao. You're confusing this with Kingdom my dude. The last time any "tactics" were involved in this manga was during Marineford by Sengoku and even then it was mediocre. No clue what "tactics" you're expecting in OP.

He is not a loner, that is a misconception. Luffy had a 0 leadership record prior to recruiting Zoro.

He leads the strawhat crew as the acting Vice-Captain of the crew. The world of One Piece acknowledges Zoro as the vice-captain of the strawhats.


No clue how you forgot these two following Zoro, before he joined Luffy:

 
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Inspector_Mu

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Guymieux said:
Luffy first bounty 30 mn - Zoro 60 mn.
second bounty 100 mn - Zoro 120 mn
Third bounty 300 mn - Zoro 320 mn.

So what's exactly are you getting at?
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Who has the highest between Snaji and Zoro? Sanji
That's their 3rd bounties

Sanji has always received bigger bounty than Zoro and luffy
His first and 2nd , even 3rd bounty us higher than Zoro and luffy 3rd bounties


Sanji will end up as Most feared strawhat excluding luffy.

Current bounties : Luffy>Jinbei>Sanji>Zoro
Post wano : luffy> Sanji><Zoro>Jinbei
 
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ZoroGang

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Jo_Ndule said:
Who has the highest between Snaji and Zoro? Sanji
That's their 3rd bounties

Sanji has always received bigger bounty than Zoro and luffy
His first and 2nd , even 3rd bounty us higher than Zoro and luffy 3rd bounties


Sanji will end up as Most feared strawhat excluding luffy.

Current bounties : Luffy>Jinbei>Sanji>Zoro
Post wano : luffy> Sanji><Zoro>Jinbei
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Sanji will end up the most what? He’s a scrub who’s going to play a background role how is he going to be more feared then a Worst Generation member and ex warlord. Zoro haters make themselves look so dumb
 
ZenZu

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I have to respectfully disagree.

Zoro is a leader by example. He doesn’t demand that others follow him, but they do because he’s capable, pragmatic and able to make use of the resources at his disposal. He was responsible for conducting negotiations with King Neptune and the Scabbards, gladiators and even Fujitora followed his lead in Dressrosa. What Jinbe has over Zoro is his years of experience and his strategic mind, which Zoro isn’t even that bad at, he was the one that suggested that it was tactically unwise to fight two Yonko at once. He also spontaneously came up with the anti-Pica strategy to save King Riku with only moments to spare. If Mihawk’s leadership is anything like Zoro’s, let’s just say you will be better off under his captainship than say someone like Kidd or even veterans like Moria.

Would Mihawk/Zoro be a popular leader? Debatable.

Would they shoot out world government bases screaming about nakama? Probably not.

Would they be capable, clear headed and act in the crew’s best interest? Yes. Any crew captained by Mihawk or Zoro would undoubtedly be a success.
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You're not wrong if you put Zoro in a situation where he has to lead, but I don't see him as a willing leader, see him as the lone wolf type who wouldn't want to be bothered to lead if he hadn't ran into Luffy, which is how I view Mihawk. That's more the angle I was going with.

Jinbei can do anything Zoro can do in terms of leadership and then some. He's not only a great motivator (he's the one who got Luffy back from the dumps after Ace's death), he's truly a jack of all trades. Add his experience and knowledge of the seas, it makes him the easier choice between the two.
 
Chaves

Chaves

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#93
#93
Xione said:
Sanji was wrong in the situation, he prevented Luffy from laying down the law in the crew and setting a crewmate who not only mocked his captainship but also defamed him. Just because Luffy started regretting what he said after Sanji kicked him, doesn't make Sanji right, just shows how Luffy wasn't fully decisive as a captain yet. If Sanji wanted to interfere he should've done it when this happened:


Zoro didn't interfere period, because he was letting Luffy handle it as the captain. That's why he didn't interfere with Luffy laying down the law on Ussop. And in fact what's noticeable is Zoro starts getting intolerable towards Ussop as he keeps up his rant:


Zoro is def. the better one in leadership out of the two, hence he takes the vice-captain role.
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You sure didn't understand what I said. I just stated that Luffy and Sanji are more unstable about their emotions, while Zoro and Jinbe can be emotionally balanced. About Usopp, Sanji was acting with his heart, he loves nakamas and he wanted Usopp to stay in the pack, while Zoro was more skeptical about it.

But, even Luffy and Sanji have less emotional control, that don't make them worse leaders than Zoro and Jinbe.
I have listed several times that Sanji has exercised leadership exceptionally well where he is a tactical and strategic leader. He led the Mugiwaras in dressrosa, zou, PH. He also has a leadership instinct, he led the g-5 in PH and the cooks on Cocoa Island to make the cake. Oda is showing us Sanji being a leader in a number of situations, besides playing well in that role as an extremely cold and intelligent man.

While Zoro .. He is disappointing in this role, I hope he leads the samurai in wano, because so far, he has not yet led the Mugiwaras and other groups like Sanji did.

Imo, Sanji is as much a leader as Zoro or Jinbe, even though he's emotionally sensitive at times.
 
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ZoroGang

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Chaves said:
You sure didn't understand what I said. I just stated that Luffy and Sanji are more unstable about their emotions, while Zoro and Jinbe can be emotionally balanced. About Usopp, Sanji was acting with his heart, he loves nakamas and he wanted Usopp to stay in the pack, while Zoro was more skeptical about it.

But, even Luffy and Sanji have less emotional control, they don't make them worse leaders than Zoro and Jinbe.
I have listed several times that Sanji has exercised leadership exceptionally well where he is a tactical and strategic leader. He led the Mugiwaras in dressrosa, zou, PH. He also has a leadership instinct, he led the g-5 in PH and the cooks on Cocoa Island to make the cake. Oda is showing us Sanji being a leader in a number of situations, besides playing well in that role as an extremely cold and intelligent man.

While Zoro .. He is disappointing in this role, I hope he leads the samurai in wano, because so far, he has not yet led the Mugiwaras and other groups like Sanji did.

Imo, Sanji is as much a leader as Zoro or Jinbe, even though he's emotionally sensitive at times.
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Sanji is not a leader. No leader will cry for a whole arc feeling helpless and ready to give up . Who cares about him leading strawhats when luffy and zoro aren’t there. That’s unimportant and a terrible argument.
 
ShadyOjiro

ShadyOjiro

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Jo_Ndule said:
Who has the highest between Snaji and Zoro? Sanji
That's their 3rd bounties

Sanji has always received bigger bounty than Zoro and luffy
His first and 2nd , even 3rd bounty us higher than Zoro and luffy 3rd bounties


Sanji will end up as Most feared strawhat excluding luffy.

Current bounties : Luffy>Jinbei>Sanji>Zoro
Post wano : luffy> Sanji><Zoro>Jinbei
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:lawsigh:

Idk if it's in purpose or should I call ER .

Just imagine actually believing that in the Samurai arc the Swordman of the crew will not be the highlight(achiements,bounty,etc) just behind Luffy .
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What I truly feel is that Ndule is pretty scared of the upcoming events that put Zoro way over Kid or Law in relevance or strength (he is already but you know the tierlist is sacred :whistle:) so he tries and tries to push the agenda of Sanji or Killer being Zoro equals.

I'm pretty sure that admitting Zoro importance and strength now would be better cuz later would be too late (well already is ).
 
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ShadyOjiro

ShadyOjiro

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#97
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ZenZu said:
Should be ahead of Luffy as the highlight of this arc, Oda needs to grow a pair.
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Both had really unique moments so far tbh.
So far both are the ones involved with direct contact to the individuals of the plot.


Plus the chapter of Zoro taming enma in which we see both Luffy and Zoro training clearly gives away the message of the "main combatants" are getting ready.
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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stealthblack said:
Like imgine law, luffy, Kidd in the same crew.
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This got me laughing, Law is already another crew member to Luffy at this point, I can realistically see him under Luffy without any issue. Besides, Jinbei was a successful pirate captain in his own right and still joined Luffy.

Regardless, the main crux of this post is Zoro. He is 100% an Oden or Captain—Class personality. Every other arc someone else is baffled that he’s underneath someone and not the captain himself. In terms of raw leadership abilities, he’s probably not worse than Luffy if you cut out Luffy’s protagonist aura.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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ZoroGang said:
Sanji is not a leader. No leader will cry for a whole arc feeling helpless and ready to give up . Who cares about him leading strawhats when luffy and zoro aren’t there. That’s unimportant and a terrible argument.
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Plus a leader has got to be powerful, at least amongst the OP piracy, this is how it works.

His ultimate goal has little to do with strenght unlike Luffy's and Zoro's
 
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Inspector_Mu

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TheAncientCenturion said:
This got me laughing, Law is already another crew member to Luffy at this point, I can realistically see him under Luffy without any issue. Besides, Jinbei was a successful pirate captain in his own right and still joined Luffy.

Regardless, the main crux of this post is Zoro. He is 100% an Oden or Captain—Class personality. Every other arc someone else is baffled that he’s underneath someone and not the captain himself. In terms of raw leadership abilities, he’s probably not worse than Luffy if you cut out Luffy’s protagonist aura.
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In leadership
Jinbei >Sanji>Luffy>Zoro
Luffy just has the natural aura...

But those who can think(make pland) , lead, motivate, etc... all in one, is Jinbei and Sanji

Zoro should first lead Chopper for the whole arc first.
 
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