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This thread perfectly show how stupid is to judge after only one chapter, while the while scenario can still change.

And this goes also the other way around because if Kizaru gets up the table will be turned upside down once again.

So better wait till the fight really ends, without any doubt
Nah this thread fully served its purpose. The French already had their meltdown when Kizaru wasn't defeated in 1 chapter. He broke their powerscale.
 
Honestly the way Ive ranked the Marines with the Yonko is entirely based on circumstances with the plot in a Shonen manga.

- While BM and Kaido are super powerful, they are currently relegated out of the plot. Imo, their subordinates (i.e. YCs) do not light a candle to the Admirals (Ryokugyuu offscreening King and Queen basically), suggesting the Admirals are at least stronger than them. Again, not saying Admirals are above Kaido and Big Mom, but that they are least in a very definitive middle ground between top YCs and the Yonko.

- That said, when I look at Shanks and Blackbeard, I do not see the same thing. I see 2, imo, stronger Yonko than BM and Kaido (again by virtue of plot and shonen progression). I also see Akainu basically on the same playing field as the fleet Admiral.

- What I mean by this is Blackbeard has Kuzan as a subordinate, yet a color spread has indicated Shiryu is Blackbeard's #2, not Kuzan. Which strongly suggests that Shiryu, a Blackbeard YC, is relative to an Admiral, unlike BM and Kaido's Subordinates.

- Same idea with Shanks and at least Beckman. Apparently they are the strongest "core" crew with the highest average bounty. Beckman, like Shiryu is probably on par with an Admiral, if not stronger.

- With Akainu, I consider him to be right there with BB and Shanks. You take their bounties (~4 billion) and the fact that Admirals have 3 billion, its safe to say that CG gives the Fleet Admiral a 4 Billion bounty

Now, how want you to scale these 3 characters is anyone's guess, but imho (and I never really try and scale characters but I digress):

BM/Kaido YCs < Admirals ~ Blackbeard/Shanks YCs (including Kuzan) < Kaido/BM < Blackbeard/Shanks/Akainu


Is just generally how I see it. Oda seems to be revolving plot on these 3 characters specifically in the future (before Gorosei and Imu ofc). And if Mihawk fans want, you probably can put him with Blackbeard/Shanks/Akainu relatively.
:milaugh:Yeah in Shanks piece where he's above kaido and BM,
Where Akainu and Mihawj will be > kaido to

In One Piece, only BB will be above Kaido when the right time comes
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Standing up later doesn't mean he wasn't one shot lmao, it's over for you clowns, there's no coming back from this.
It's like saying Luffy and others didn't lose because they got up later on

If kizaru got uo this chapter then yeah but him claiming to not get up anytime soon seals his L

When he gets up, he's gonna get another L
 
Kizaru is between Kaido and King/Queen, between Luffy and Zoro

Saying that Kizaru = Kaido is as stupid as saying that Kizaru = Queen
Kizaru Is a top tier, that much Is recognized by everyone, even the people who think Emperors > Admiral.

So, while not being at Kaido's level, Kizaru is much closer to Kaido than he is to Queen. Aramaki destroyed both King and Queen without any trouble whatsoever. And yes, probably they were still injured, but we are talking about a zero-difficulty fight and more so not just Queen: there was King also.

So, Kizaru = Kaido is wrong (and also I think no more than 2 or 3 users said that seriously); Kizaru = Queen is...I would say incredibly stupid, but in reality is just hating, that is the reason.
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This thread perfectly show how stupid is to judge after only one chapter, while the while scenario can still change.

And this goes also the other way around because if Kizaru gets up the table will be turned upside down once again.

So better wait till the fight really ends, without any doubt
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This thread perfectly show how stupid is to judge after only one chapter, while the while scenario can still change.

And this goes also the other way around because if Kizaru gets up the table will be turned upside down once again.

So better wait till the fight really ends, without any doubt
Stop, the fight is over, it's embarrassing.

Luffy will face Saturn now and Zoro will face Kizaru.
 
You think we'll see Zoro vs Kizaru?
No, I think that Kizaru vs Luffy round 2 will definitely not happen and I'll die on this hill.

Luffy handled Kizaru in a similar manner that he handled Lucci and Oda showed us that both fights were not important.

The one shot clearly portrayed Luffy's superiority over Kizaru, as opposed to what happened in Sabaody.

Now, he's going to switch to the real villain of the arc: Saturn, the person who is really being a threat to his friends. Oda will make Nika face Saturn to liberate Bonney and Kuma, like the flashback clearly indicates it.

If Kizaru comes back and still tries to go after Vegapunk or Luffy, I see only Zoro facing him and defeating him in round 2.
 
:milaugh:Yeah in Shanks piece where he's above kaido and BM,
Where Akainu and Mihawj will be > kaido to

In One Piece, only BB will be above Kaido when the right time comes
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It's like saying Luffy and others didn't lose because they got up later on

If kizaru got uo this chapter then yeah but him claiming to not get up anytime soon seals his L

When he gets up, he's gonna get another L
Yeah Jo:

- Big Mom who couldnt ever 1 shot Kid in 50 chapters

Vs

- Shanks who did in 2 pages

Cry
 
Gey ready, the match ups will be:

Luffy v Saturn
Zoro v Kizaru
Sanji v Lucci

When Lucci announced that, with Kizaru partnered with him, he can defeat anything it became a tag team battle. Except Luffy isn't meant to be in this tag team given he is a tier above these two.
 
No, I think that Kizaru vs Luffy round 2 will definitely not happen and I'll die on this hill.

Luffy handled Kizaru in a similar manner that he handled Lucci and Oda showed us that both fights were not important.

The one shot clearly portrayed Luffy's superiority over Kizaru, as opposed to what happened in Sabaody.

Now, he's going to switch to the real villain of the arc: Saturn, the person who is really being a threat to his friends. Oda will make Nika face Saturn to liberate Bonney and Kuma, like the flashback clearly indicates it.

If Kizaru comes back and still tries to go after Vegapunk or Luffy, I see only Zoro facing him and defeating him in round 2.
Fair. We'll see then.

But Just to know: you said "If Kizaru comes back", but what do you think it will actually happen?
Kizaru will return and fight Zoro? He won't because it will be incapacitated for all EH? He could, but won't because secretly he wants to save Vegapunk?
And so on
 
Fair. We'll see then.

But Just to know: you said "If Kizaru comes back", but what do you think it will actually happen?
Kizaru will return and fight Zoro? He won't because it will be incapacitated for all EH? He could, but won't because secretly he wants to save Vegapunk?
And so on
- Kizaru returns to go after his mission but he gets stopped by Zoro as Nika is facing Saturn
- Kizaru doesn't return because he is incapacitated for all Egghead -> very unlikely given that he said it was for a while and that Lucci came back
- Kizaru won't come back because he secretly wants to save Vegapunk -> very unlikely given that he tried to kill him multiple times and he can't redeem himself right now

You have to consider the following as well:
- If Luffy defeats Saturn, he will get an insane bounty of 4.5 billion more or less and may even surpass Shanks'.
- Zoro has to get a similar bounty increase and reach 3b, the only way is by defeating Kizaru and he has to get closer to Mihawk's (3.59b).
 
No, I think that Kizaru vs Luffy round 2 will definitely not happen and I'll die on this hill.

Luffy handled Kizaru in a similar manner that he handled Lucci and Oda showed us that both fights were not important.

The one shot clearly portrayed Luffy's superiority over Kizaru, as opposed to what happened in Sabaody.

Now, he's going to switch to the real villain of the arc: Saturn, the person who is really being a threat to his friends. Oda will make Nika face Saturn to liberate Bonney and Kuma, like the flashback clearly indicates it.

If Kizaru comes back and still tries to go after Vegapunk or Luffy, I see only Zoro facing him and defeating him in round 2.
You’ve been dying on some hills lately, are you sure you want to add ZKK to the list? It didn’t work out so well the last time.

Doesn’t sound authentic at all, especially when you’re still pretending with claiming “one shot”…or acting like you believe a regular laser is the best that Kizaru can do.
Seems pretty odd…
 
You’ve been dying on some hills lately, are you sure you want to add ZKK to the list? It didn’t work out so well the last time.

Doesn’t sound authentic at all, especially when you’re still pretending with claiming “one shot”…or acting like you believe a regular laser is the best that Kizaru can do.
Seems pretty odd…
You don't even put the Gorosei above the admirals and you are the one to talk, please.
 
You don't even put the Gorosei above the admirals and you are the one to talk, please.
Because you haven’t given reason to. Care to try again?

Have anything new besides teleportation, regeneration or trying to kill a defenceless person? You cannot be surprised when you make a claim and someone asks you to defend it.That’s just common sense.
You’ve gone past kindergarten at the very least…so why can’t you defend your claim? “Oh please” is my line.
 
Because you haven’t given reason to. Care to try again?

Have anything new besides teleportation, regeneration or trying to kill a defenceless person? You cannot be surprised when you make a claim and someone asks you to defend it.That’s just common sense.
You’ve gone past kindergarten at the very least…so why can’t you defend your claim? “Oh please” is my line.
It's common sense and portrayal, something you don't seem to understand.
 
It's common sense and portrayal, something you don't seem to understand.
That excuse doesn’t work. The question was what specifically puts Saturn above Kizaru up to the current chapter, and you provided nothing.

As already stated, Saturn can turn out to be stronger which is fine. Your claim was that it’s already a fact based on current actions…so why are you unable to back it up? Isn’t that curious?

Like I said, you can admit that it’s your wish or agenda, but saying it’s a foregone conclusion is a different matter.
The sky won’t fall and it could even turn out to be right…so wouldn’t it be better to just admit you jumped the gun? It’s not like this is the first time after all.
 
That excuse doesn’t work. The question was what specifically puts Saturn above Kizaru up to the current chapter, and you provided nothing.

As already stated, Saturn can turn out to be stronger which is fine. Your claim was that it’s already a fact based on current actions…so why are you unable to back it up? Isn’t that curious?

Like I said, you can admit that it’s your wish or agenda, but saying it’s a foregone conclusion is a different matter.
The sky won’t fall and it could even turn out to be right…so wouldn’t it be better to just admit you jumped the gun? It’s not like this is the first time after all.
It neither is my wish or agenda, it is the conclusion you can already take based on everything we have gotten so far as I explained it to you.

However, as I told you, you don't see the bigger picture so you fail to understand my view.
 
It neither is my wish or agenda, it is the conclusion you can already take based on everything we have gotten so far as I explained it to you.

However, as I told you, you don't see the bigger picture so you fail to understand my view.
Again, those excuses are just pathetic. The bigger picture is made up of all the smaller things…so if none of the small things add up, your claim is just empty.
It’s essentially: “Saturn has shown nothing stronger than Kizaru, so he is definitely stronger.” That’s silly. Look up the definition of unsubstantiated if you don’t get it.

Making a conclusion with no support is part of the definition of agenda. It’s pretty obvious, especially when you also conveniently tried to exclude the Yonko and not claim that Saturn is also over them with the exact same silly points of teleportation and regeneration and what not.

If it weren’t your wish or agenda, why the double standards? You do know that’s like the primary sign of it, right?
 
Again, those excuses are just pathetic. The bigger picture is made up of all the smaller things…so if none of the small things add up, your claim is just empty.
It’s essentially: “Saturn has shown nothing stronger than Kizaru, so he is definitely stronger.” That’s silly. Look up the definition of unsubstantiated if you don’t get it.

Making a conclusion with no support is part of the definition of agenda. It’s pretty obvious, especially when you also conveniently tried to exclude the Yonko and not claim that Saturn is also over them with the exact same silly points of teleportation and regeneration and what not.

If it weren’t your wish or agenda, why the double standards? You do know that’s like the primary sign of it, right?
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He doesn't acknowledge that the gorosei are stronger than the admirals, it's embarrassing.
 
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