Speculations The final inevitable truth: Momonosuke Defeats Kaido

#1
So, Luffy isn't going to get up again.

After reading the last chapter, that shouldn't surprise you. He was on his last legs even before getting slammed in the face by a max-power club. To believably recover from this, he'd either need healing hax from Marco, or a monstrous amount of meat, and the necessary seconds to eat it.

As far as can be told, there is no meat to be delivered in the entirety of Onigashima right now, since it's on-fire, and Marco seems to be thinking about the people inside the burning skull rather than Luffy and Kaido on the roof, last we checked.

Honestly, reviewing the last couple chapters, rather than Luffy getting up yet again in order to defeat Kaido for good, it seems much more likely that Momonosuke does something. In terms of potential, he's the most powerful combatant left in the game (other than maybe Yamato), theoretically having all of the same powers as Kaido and a body similar to that of Oden.

Moreover, his conflict is the final inner conflict left to resolve in this arc. What will happen to Wano in the end is almost squarely on Momonosuke's shoulders and Momonosuke is still largely undecided. Moreover, we've get to see anything more than a silhouette of his human form.

This whole foray into Wano was his idea in the first place, and the central conflict of Wano's safety wont be there until it has a worthy protector once again; merely defeating Kaido wont accomplish this. Momonosuke (perhaps with Yamato's help) should be the one to finish this.

And then, to cap off our adventure into mythical japanese land and to answer the other final question of the arc: Momo should trap Kaido underneath the Island of Onigashima much like Sun Wukong was trapped under a mountain, since much like early Wukong from Journey to the West, Kaido's greatest problem seems to be an ambition to power untempered by restraint or morals. (It's a chinese story, but still important in Japan, and Kaido's design is clearly more chinese, so I think it still works)

Momonosuke being the one to finish this is the best written conclusion to be had here. At this point, it only makes sense.

Thoughts?
 
#3
So, Luffy isn't going to get up again.

After reading the last chapter, that shouldn't surprise you. He was on his last legs even before getting slammed in the face by a max-power club. To believably recover from this, he'd either need healing hax from Marco, or a monstrous amount of meat, and the necessary seconds to eat it.

As far as can be told, there is no meat to be delivered in the entirety of Onigashima right now, since it's on-fire, and Marco seems to be thinking about the people inside the burning skull rather than Luffy and Kaido on the roof, last we checked.

Honestly, reviewing the last couple chapters, rather than Luffy getting up yet again in order to defeat Kaido for good, it seems much more likely that Momonosuke does something. In terms of potential, he's the most powerful combatant left in the game (other than maybe Yamato), theoretically having all of the same powers as Kaido and a body similar to that of Oden.

Moreover, his conflict is the final inner conflict left to resolve in this arc. What will happen to Wano in the end is almost squarely on Momonosuke's shoulders and Momonosuke is still largely undecided. Moreover, we've get to see anything more than a silhouette of his human form.

This whole foray into Wano was his idea in the first place, and the central conflict of Wano's safety wont be there until it has a worthy protector once again; merely defeating Kaido wont accomplish this. Momonosuke (perhaps with Yamato's help) should be the one to finish this.

And then, to cap off our adventure into mythical japanese land and to answer the other final question of the arc: Momo should trap Kaido underneath the Island of Onigashima much like Sun Wukong was trapped under a mountain, since much like early Wukong from Journey to the West, Kaido's greatest problem seems to be an ambition to power untempered by restraint or morals. (It's a chinese story, but still important in Japan, and Kaido's design is clearly more chinese, so I think it still works)

Momonosuke being the one to finish this is the best written conclusion to be had here. At this point, it only makes sense.

Thoughts?
 
#5
The "what" was more like a "what did you smoke to say something that stupid"
I guess I'm kind of tired and not at 100% if that's what you're asking.

Though really, I'd like to know what exactly is so dumb about it...

Yeah; I get it. Momo is disliked. You wouldn't want to see the victory being his again. Moreover, Luffy not defeating the villain doesn't feel like One Piece to you. And "Insert hardly alluded to power-up for Luffy" is about to happen anyway, so obviously it still has to be him.

Or Zoro for some delusional people... but whatever.

But if Momonosuke isn't going to do something, you've got to ask, why is Zunisha here, who only Momo can control, and who isn't needed for anything else?

And how will Momonosuke find the steel to actually become the leader of Wano?

And what sort of satisfying end do you envision for the Wano Arc?

And when exactly will Adult Momo's design actually be revealed, given how they've been saving it up.
 
#6
So, Luffy isn't going to get up again.

After reading the last chapter, that shouldn't surprise you. He was on his last legs even before getting slammed in the face by a max-power club. To believably recover from this, he'd either need healing hax from Marco, or a monstrous amount of meat, and the necessary seconds to eat it.

As far as can be told, there is no meat to be delivered in the entirety of Onigashima right now, since it's on-fire, and Marco seems to be thinking about the people inside the burning skull rather than Luffy and Kaido on the roof, last we checked.

Honestly, reviewing the last couple chapters, rather than Luffy getting up yet again in order to defeat Kaido for good, it seems much more likely that Momonosuke does something. In terms of potential, he's the most powerful combatant left in the game (other than maybe Yamato), theoretically having all of the same powers as Kaido and a body similar to that of Oden.

Moreover, his conflict is the final inner conflict left to resolve in this arc. What will happen to Wano in the end is almost squarely on Momonosuke's shoulders and Momonosuke is still largely undecided. Moreover, we've get to see anything more than a silhouette of his human form.

This whole foray into Wano was his idea in the first place, and the central conflict of Wano's safety wont be there until it has a worthy protector once again; merely defeating Kaido wont accomplish this. Momonosuke (perhaps with Yamato's help) should be the one to finish this.

And then, to cap off our adventure into mythical japanese land and to answer the other final question of the arc: Momo should trap Kaido underneath the Island of Onigashima much like Sun Wukong was trapped under a mountain, since much like early Wukong from Journey to the West, Kaido's greatest problem seems to be an ambition to power untempered by restraint or morals. (It's a chinese story, but still important in Japan, and Kaido's design is clearly more chinese, so I think it still works)

Momonosuke being the one to finish this is the best written conclusion to be had here. At this point, it only makes sense.

Thoughts?
Luffy will return. It's possible awakened Luffy still loses to Kaido (awakened?) due to inexperience with his new ability + strenght gap of course.

However with possible interference from either Momo/Zuneisha it can further tilt the fight in Luffy's favor also keep note Kaido has been fighting hours and isn't at an 100% power.

Afterall Zuneisha has to do something of note other than sinking a few ships which already did in Zou, he has been walking 800 years just to reach Wano...likely for Joyboys return..
 
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#7
Luffy will return. It's possible awakened Luffy still loses to Kaido (awakened?) due to inexperience with his new ability + strenght gap of course.

However with possible interference from either Momo/Zuneisha it can further tilt the fight in Luffy's favor

Afterall Zuneisha has to do something of note other than sinking a few ships which already did in Zou, he has been walking 800 years just to reach Wano...likely for Joyboys return..
I'll admit, maybe Luffy wakes up, but I'm now convinced that he wont be the ultimate solution here. And I feel like it would be a bit of an stretch or a waste to give him yet another power-up so soon after all of the other ones he's had.
 
#9
I'll admit, maybe Luffy wakes up, but I'm now convinced that he wont be the ultimate solution here. And I feel like it would be a bit of an stretch or a waste to give him yet another power-up so soon after all of the other ones he's had.
That's the route Oda is going based on the fact that the Gorosei who were previously heavily concerned about the possibility of a certain fruit awakening just so happens to request that Luffy dies asap...seems too much of a coincidence.

While the awakening in nature should be a powerup I highly doubt Luffy will be anywhere close to mastering it even after Wano based on the fact that it apparently has a different name than what it's called now, essentially an entirely "new devil fruit".

It will be a catalyst in defeating Kaido but Adv CoC is perhaps still more beneficial for Luffy's current fighting style but just not effective vs the Tank Monster, Kaido

At the end of the day it's all speculation, interested I'm seeing how Oda handles everything
:shocking:
 
#11
So, Luffy isn't going to get up again.

After reading the last chapter, that shouldn't surprise you. He was on his last legs even before getting slammed in the face by a max-power club. To believably recover from this, he'd either need healing hax from Marco, or a monstrous amount of meat, and the necessary seconds to eat it.

As far as can be told, there is no meat to be delivered in the entirety of Onigashima right now, since it's on-fire, and Marco seems to be thinking about the people inside the burning skull rather than Luffy and Kaido on the roof, last we checked.

Honestly, reviewing the last couple chapters, rather than Luffy getting up yet again in order to defeat Kaido for good, it seems much more likely that Momonosuke does something. In terms of potential, he's the most powerful combatant left in the game (other than maybe Yamato), theoretically having all of the same powers as Kaido and a body similar to that of Oden.

Moreover, his conflict is the final inner conflict left to resolve in this arc. What will happen to Wano in the end is almost squarely on Momonosuke's shoulders and Momonosuke is still largely undecided. Moreover, we've get to see anything more than a silhouette of his human form.

This whole foray into Wano was his idea in the first place, and the central conflict of Wano's safety wont be there until it has a worthy protector once again; merely defeating Kaido wont accomplish this. Momonosuke (perhaps with Yamato's help) should be the one to finish this.

And then, to cap off our adventure into mythical japanese land and to answer the other final question of the arc: Momo should trap Kaido underneath the Island of Onigashima much like Sun Wukong was trapped under a mountain, since much like early Wukong from Journey to the West, Kaido's greatest problem seems to be an ambition to power untempered by restraint or morals. (It's a chinese story, but still important in Japan, and Kaido's design is clearly more chinese, so I think it still works)

Momonosuke being the one to finish this is the best written conclusion to be had here. At this point, it only makes sense.

Thoughts?
:ohreally:
 
#13
Marco the pheasant, Yamato the dog, and Luffy D. Monkey all team up to whack CP0 guy and hold Kaido. Momo soars up, collecting Ame from his sister and Enma from the corpse of Zoro. He finally opens up the old scar and Kaido taps on the ground to submit, drunk and ashamed. The three members of the Onigashima team then do that greyed out mentor smile.
 
#16
So, Luffy isn't going to get up again.

After reading the last chapter, that shouldn't surprise you. He was on his last legs even before getting slammed in the face by a max-power club. To believably recover from this, he'd either need healing hax from Marco, or a monstrous amount of meat, and the necessary seconds to eat it.

As far as can be told, there is no meat to be delivered in the entirety of Onigashima right now, since it's on-fire, and Marco seems to be thinking about the people inside the burning skull rather than Luffy and Kaido on the roof, last we checked.

Honestly, reviewing the last couple chapters, rather than Luffy getting up yet again in order to defeat Kaido for good, it seems much more likely that Momonosuke does something. In terms of potential, he's the most powerful combatant left in the game (other than maybe Yamato), theoretically having all of the same powers as Kaido and a body similar to that of Oden.

Moreover, his conflict is the final inner conflict left to resolve in this arc. What will happen to Wano in the end is almost squarely on Momonosuke's shoulders and Momonosuke is still largely undecided. Moreover, we've get to see anything more than a silhouette of his human form.

This whole foray into Wano was his idea in the first place, and the central conflict of Wano's safety wont be there until it has a worthy protector once again; merely defeating Kaido wont accomplish this. Momonosuke (perhaps with Yamato's help) should be the one to finish this.

And then, to cap off our adventure into mythical japanese land and to answer the other final question of the arc: Momo should trap Kaido underneath the Island of Onigashima much like Sun Wukong was trapped under a mountain, since much like early Wukong from Journey to the West, Kaido's greatest problem seems to be an ambition to power untempered by restraint or morals. (It's a chinese story, but still important in Japan, and Kaido's design is clearly more chinese, so I think it still works)

Momonosuke being the one to finish this is the best written conclusion to be had here. At this point, it only makes sense.

Thoughts?
Law can shift Zoro into Momo's boy.So ZKK/MKK could happen.
 
#17
Tama defeating Kaido would be more suitable than Momo defeating Kaido.

You dont have to post everything that is going on in your mind. If it is your first manga, and you started from Wano arc, then I can accept your current theory as you are a biginner, but if you have been following mangas and reading OP for more than 3-4 arcs, then you have a problem. No offence.
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Momo will probably be involved. Kaido will shit himself when he sees Adult Momo, given he’s implies to look exactly like Oden did, and Momo was training all of Act One and Two, but it will still be Luffy coming back and actually doing the beating of Kaido.
Will Momo leave Onigashima to be dropped on Flower Capital and go to Kaido to say Hi, I have grown up and I can use sword? Not like it is going to hurt you, but here I am!
 
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