Future Events The Future of Big Mom after Wano

#1
I've thought about this a lot and i just feel that if Big Mom goes down in the final battle of Wano that a lot of potential for her story could be lost and that would feel like such a waste. I suppose my theory can still play out even if she loses in Wano but i don;t see her having a reason to follow the straw hats if she does lose. so hopefully kaido's pride forces her out the battle in some way. but anyway...

I think Big Mom will be involved in Elbaf because this is where her story started so it feels like the place it has to end too, it would come full circle.
Big Mom was an innocent child but she has been raised to be selfish, spoiled, entitled, enabled and most importantly Manipulated by Strausen. Mother Carmel never punished her for any of her actions either and that was a big theme of her flashback the fact she got away with everything no matter what. She's never suffered any real consequences or punishment for her actions.

The Giants are the only others who know the truth about what happened to Carmel and the orphans so they have to be the ones who tell Big Mom about what she did. This will be her truly suffering consequences for the first time, knowing it was all because of her that she lost the woman she viewed as a mother will serve as the ultimate punishment she's needed since she was 5 years old. This is what breaks Big Mom down and leaves her with absolutely nothing since Luffy has tore down her kingdom and reputation.

However Big Mom was originally introduced to us by Lola with the intention of being an ally to the straw hats and I think this is her end goal in the story.
Her goal is to have a kingdom of equality, this is ultimately the same as Jinbe, however the version she built that was ruined by Luffy was one of fear and brutality. She can never achieve the dream she wants as long as she remains the spoiled child.

When she learns the truth I believe this is what forces Big Mom to "grow up", realize she's built everything the wrong way and ultimately unlock the real personality hidden inside her which as we saw when she had amnesia could be one of kindness and willingness to share which will give her real access to the dream she's always wanted and the people who sit there at the table with her all being there willingly instead of being there through threat of violence and death.
I've no idea how but Luffy will be the one who fixes her relationship with the Giant again allowing her to start rebuilding the kingdom she truly wants.
This also fixes her relationship with Lola and Lola goes the whole series never knowing her mother wanted her dead, which let's face it is something Oda would really do as a gag.

So after Luffy is the one who destroyed everything she built, he will also ultimately be the one who puts her on the path to building her way to her proper dream.
If this is accomplished it goes full circle with Big Mom's story in two ways, the first is it starting and ending in Wano and her originally being presented to us readers as a future ally actually coming true.

If she is just defeated in Wano and disappears for the rest of the story it would feel like so much potential has been lost.
 
#3
I don't think a lot of people understand this but
being defeated and being killed are two very different things.

Crocodile was defeated, Monet and Vergo were killed. Being defeated doesn't mean you are out of the picture for the rest of the story, it simply means that your role as an antagonist is over.

So now, should Big Mom come back in Elbaf? Sure, her character is tied with that of elbaf. But does it make sense for her to come back as an antagonist? I don't think so. She's been an antagonist for two arcs now all the while her role as an ally has been repetitively foreshadowed. She just isn't that important post wano when characters like Akainu, Blackbeard, and Imu have had very little screen time. Big Mom's role as an antagonist ends in wano and any involvement she will have in future arcs will be as an ally.

Another reason why Big Mom won't be defeated in elbaf is that it simply makes no sense for her to be an antagonist in elbaf. The giants hate her, they will never join hands with her.

big mom is the key that opens the door to elbaf. Because the giants hate her so much, anyone who could defeat her and deliver her to the giants would be easily able to forge an alliance with elbaf. in comes blackbeard. Blackbeard will invade totland, destroy the big mom pirates, capture big mom, take her poneglyph, and give Big Mom over to the giants, thereby forging an alliance with the strongest country in the world and becoming the closest person to be pirate king.

elbaf will be about Luffy, Shanks, and Katakuri joining forces in order to 1) save big mom and 2) stop blackbeard.
 
#4
I don't think a lot of people understand this but
being defeated and being killed are two very different things.

Crocodile was defeated, Monet and Vergo were killed. Being defeated doesn't mean you are out of the picture for the rest of the story, it simply means that your role as an antagonist is over.

So now, should Big Mom come back in Elbaf? Sure, her character is tied with that of elbaf. But does it make sense for her to come back as an antagonist? I don't think so. She's been an antagonist for two arcs now all the while her role as an ally has been repetitively foreshadowed. She just isn't that important post wano when characters like Akainu, Blackbeard, and Imu have had very little screen time. Big Mom's role as an antagonist ends in wano and any involvement she will have in future arcs will be as an ally.

Another reason why Big Mom won't be defeated in elbaf is that it simply makes no sense for her to be an antagonist in elbaf. The giants hate her, they will never join hands with her.

big mom is the key that opens the door to elbaf. Because the giants hate her so much, anyone who could defeat her and deliver her to the giants would be easily able to forge an alliance with elbaf. in comes blackbeard. Blackbeard will invade totland, destroy the big mom pirates, capture big mom, take her poneglyph, and give Big Mom over to the giants, thereby forging an alliance with the strongest country in the world and becoming the closest person to be pirate king.

elbaf will be about Luffy, Shanks, and Katakuri joining forces in order to 1) save big mom and 2) stop blackbeard.
I've never really thought much about Blakcbeard as I believe him to be the main antagonist of the Laugh Tale arc and him and his commanders being the crews final obstacle to obtaining the One Piece. I just dont know how he gets there but he's cheated for everything else so he could cheat to get there again. I do like your idea of a new allaince being formed to fight him.

I never pictured Big Mom to be the actual antagonist of Elbaf, my best guess is that it will be Weevil looking for the last Road Ponegliff as he coud believe it to be his inheritance from Whitebeard who i think gave it to the giants to protect.

I suppose she could still chase Luffy to Elbaf after losing as one last desperate act to salvage her repution before fully breaking down when learning the truth of what she did and losing the will to fight.
 
#7
If Big Meme comes back for another arc...
Honestly believe and think it's for the best if she goes down this arc though. The first thing Oda did to her when she arrived at Wano was turn her into Chopper's pet. Why should her performance be any better in another arc?
 
#8
For me i believe that Big Mom Pirates conversation in chapter 834 or so is a foreshadowing , that Katakuri will be the BMP captain .

So i believe Big Mom will be down here

And if they are going to Elbaf after this then what's the point of their presence here ? have some fights with Worst Gen-Minks-Samurai alliance and then retreat and Big Mom suddenly decided to invade the strongest country in the world ?
 
#9
For me i believe that Big Mom Pirates conversation in chapter 834 or so is a foreshadowing , that Katakuri will be the BMP captain .

So i believe Big Mom will be down here

And if they are going to Elbaf after this then what's the point of their presence here ? have some fights with Worst Gen-Minks-Samurai alliance and then retreat and Big Mom suddenly decided to invade the strongest country in the world ?
"I couldn't win against some stupid upstarts/samurai/animal people, but I'm SURE I can take down the strongest beings in the world!!"

Just give the crew to Katakuri instead and pray Blackbeard doesn't steal your fruit.
 
#14
The Giants are the only others who know the truth about what happened to Carmel and the orphans so they have to be the ones who tell Big Mom about what she did. This will be her truly suffering consequences for the first time, knowing it was all because of her that she lost the woman she viewed as a mother will serve as the ultimate punishment she's needed since she was 5 years old. This is what breaks Big Mom down and leaves her with absolutely nothing since Luffy has tore down her kingdom and reputation.
It's not just the Giants. Streusen knows what happened. Hajurdin and Gerth are part of the Grand Fleet were probably told what happened. Pudding can manipulate Big Mom's memories and see what happened, or better yet, let Big Mom through her own mind understand what she did to Mother Caramel. We don't need to fabricate a current connection to Elbaf. We have no idea if Big Mom has touched Elbaf in decades. For all we know, Elbaf is territory belonging to Shanks. This is now Big Mom getting involved in Shank's story during the Elbaf arc, which I just don't imagine happening.

If she is just defeated in Wano and disappears for the rest of the story it would feel like so much potential has been lost.
This is heavily understating all the work Oda already put into Big Mom. She's had the second longest arc in One Piece and is now taking up screen time in the climax of Wano. Her issues have been thoroughly explored, we know the basis of how her family operates, the world current Tottoland is, the only piece of puzzle missing for resolution to take place is her connection to the Rocks Pirates. That's why Big Mom was brought to Wano. This is where her story is finally tied up.

I don't believe Big Mom is about to "disappear". Unlike Kaido, she has been set up on a path for retribution Not every villain is condemned to prison after their defeat, but this is not series where talk no jutsu works either. Big Mom is getting pounded, whether it's here or in Elbaf. Big Mom has a lot to make up for. We don't need to see the whole process, only Big Mom admitting what went wrong and taking the first step. After that, the reformed Big Mom pirates may lend a hand in the final arc or simply reemerge in the epilogue with Tottoland the paradise Big Mom dreamed of.
 
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