Theory The Gorosei and the Contracts.

Who among the Gorosei are NOT brainwashed by Imu?

  • All of them are willingly with Imu.

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • All of them are being controlled.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mars

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Warcury

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Saturn

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Nusjuro

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ju Peter

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • Garling

    Votes: 2 40.0%

  • Total voters
    5
#1
With chapter 1169 coming out, I think we may have to reconsider the entire existence of the Gorosei.

We believed it was mainly Domi Reversi that is worrisome here but with the new chapter confirming that the contract with Imu seems to also be capable to completely rewire your personality and force you into obedience towards Imu, the entire Gorosei have to be re-examined.
We have now a firm foundation to suggest and believe that the Gorosei could be similar in nature to Harald.
That they may not be loyal by choice but also underwent their personalities to be rewired to be loyal to Imu.

But there is a certain kind of mystery to be had here as well.
While it may be possible that they indeed were once good men who are essentially and literally brainwashed by Imu's powers to be evil, another question arises automatically.

Assuming Imu has done the same, we should hold an eye out in the future and I would like to make this thread to be for this very discussion.
Theorizing the following 2:

1: Are any of the Gorosei if not all brainwashed as well? Were some of them or maybe even all of them good men?
2: And this where my main theoretical question goes to:
We have to consider who was forced into it and who perhaps is not influenced at all but is doing all of this, the loyalty to Imu, the atrocities, the tyranny and so on, who among the Gorosei is doing this of their own free will.

As we now have this foundation they could be brainwashed like Harald, we also can move towards that there could be someone who is absolutely doing all this by choice.

I am gonna add Garling into the poll as well.
I would like this to be a nice discussion ground.

Personally speaking, I believe it is Mars. Ever since the Joyboy Haki scene, I have a weird feeling about him. While it may seem a trivial detail, Oda portrayed him already as the outlier who already returned to Mariejois whereas Nusjuro, Peter and Warcury were basically ejected back. This is already a display of Mars being somehow ahead of the others and doesnt seem to fear consequences either for going home early. Everyone else ate shit and one even got killed by Imu. He is the only one who basically got out clean.
 
#2
Ju Peter gives away his emotions every now and then. I don't think he got turned yet.

Saturn hid Emet whereabouts for 200 years and lied on its destruction. He should be safe too.

The rest are too mysterious for now. I'm sure sword guy is evil though
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

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#4
Personally speaking, I believe it is Mars. Ever since the Joyboy Haki scene, I have a weird feeling about him. While it may seem a trivial detail, Oda portrayed him already as the outlier who already returned to Mariejois whereas Nusjuro, Peter and Warcury were basically ejected back. This is already a display of Mars being somehow ahead of the others and doesnt seem to fear consequences either for going home early. Everyone else ate shit and one even got killed by Imu. He is the only one who basically got out clean.
@Rumble any thoughts on this? could tie into your Mars=Was a member of the 20 Kings theory?
 
#6
Yes, its definitely possible and fits into Odas storytelling. If they were Kings already they likely wouldnt obey someone and become his slave for no reason. I think Harald may be a good reference. Someone who wants to be involved but couldnt see the whole truth. This may apply to all of them. Maybe they formed an alliance and Imu betrayed them. I can already see a huge reference to Sauron in Lord of the rings and the kings he controls, a contract that goes beyond death.
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

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#7
It could definitely tie in. I still believe Mars is a former king from the Second World and was there when Nerona Imu betrayed the rest of the Twenty Monarchs to take the Empty Throne.
in the chapter where the Gorosei's names were revealed, Mars had a line of dialogue where he called Imu the "creator"(or something along those lines).

I think it's safe to say that the historical figure Nerona Imu is different from the Imu that's ruled the world for 20 years, with the latter likely being Nerona Imu's body possessed by one of the mural gods. I think it's possible Mars was their when Nerona Imu's body was possessed and he ended up helping Imu betray the rest
 
#8
Seeing how Holy Knights and Gorosei are mostly Imu Victims, just like Harald,
That means We still haven't seen his "Actual" Commanders,

According to Gorosei, there are 13 Members (Eight Knights + Five Elders), but Imu's Name is a Reference to 16, which was also Teased in Lulusia's Destruction + Doffy's Sixteen Holy Bullets + Ox Bell + Red Line being Combination of All Island Types which are 16 ... etc

I wonder if Imu actually have Three Commanders who aren't Controlled by him, it's like They are his Calamities,
So imo All Holy Knights & Gorosei might be Redeemable, but Imu have Three Secret Commanders who are actually Evil & Loyal to him.
 
#9
in the chapter where the Gorosei's names were revealed, Mars had a line of dialogue where he called Imu the "creator"(or something along those lines).
I don't put much stock in that myself. Whether Mars truly thinks of Imu as a deity in his heart of hearts or not, his total submission and deference to Imu are requisites to his continued survival.

I think it's safe to say that the historical figure Nerona Imu is different from the Imu that's ruled the world for 20 years, with the latter likely being Nerona Imu's body possessed by one of the mural gods. I think it's possible Mars was their when Nerona Imu's body was possessed and he ended up helping Imu betray the rest
My theory is based on the belief Imu is in fact Saint Nerona, who has possessed the body of Nefertari D. Lili for centuries. I believe he's completely obscured not to hide the fact he's possessing a woman's body - which Oda doesn't seem to be trying to hide, imo - but to obscure the fact the body has become so decrepit, it's kept together only by Imu's continued possession of it, which is why he desires Vivi.

I don't necessarily think he ate a Devil Fruit, but I do believe his power comes from the same source, which I believe to be a consequence of the devastation of the natural world in the age of the First World. I believe the Yami Yami will be effective against it for that reason.

As for how it came to be this, I believe Saint Nerona is very much Imu, that he loved Lili, who rejected and "betrayed" him in declining his offer to rule together and adopted the D name, which I think we'll learn stands for Dawn, in reference to Joyboy's promise of a New World in the aftermath of a Great War in which those with the name will be primary drivers.
 
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