Character Discussion The Legend of Zoro

#1
This is not a powerscaling debate so haters are free to fuck off. Most of the criticism (found or unfounded) about Zoros character is lack of character development (not enough crying moments for woke shitheads?) or that Oda only reserves him for cool moments. With the focus on power scaling people forget that Zoro is also going to earn a lot of fame like Luffy - look at three guys he is paralleled/compared with, Ryuma, Mihawk, Rayleigh. Ryuma has a legendary status, Mihawk is the current WSS and most famous swordsman, Rayleigh is the Dark King -everybody knows his name.

Then you look at how Oda has portrayed Zoro from the start, he was famous even before Luffy as the Pirate Hunter and 1000 chapters later Kaido also calls him Pirate Hunter, we also get the Zoro being called Luffys subordinate and Sanji being pirate A/B joke in EL.

Almost in every arc, Zoro gets some feats which are witnessed or leave marks and which will add up to his legend, for example Zoro becoming part of the WSS debate between public after DR.

I invite my fellow Zboys @Fleet Leader Fenaker @nik87 @CbShadow @mly90 @ShishioIsBack @HA001 @Terra Arseid7 @Lor D. Coast etc. to add feats to this thread arc by arc (I am really bad at adding images etc,).

East Blue - He was already famous but then he defeated Morgans, the Nyaban Brothers, fought Mihawk, raided Arlong Park.
Alabasta - Defeated 100 bounty hunters, Mr.5, Daz Bones
Skypeia - Defeated Ohm but that will probably never become part of the legend or recounted as a famous event by the blue sea
EL - Train cut, Aqua Laguna, Kaku
TB - Ryuma, Oars, Nothing Happened (Lolas members saw it)
SA - attacking CD (Bonney stopped him but the other SNs saw it)
FI - Palace raid, Hody, Hyozo
PH - Dragon slice (only SHs though), Monet
DR - Pica, Fujitora
Wano - Magistrate, Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Hakai, Kaido scar (only Law witness), King (video recorded/transmitted)
EH - Lucci

Wano is weird in a sense that the real feats (Kaido and King, Kaido died) did not have the witnesses like Picas defeat. Zoro lived up to his Pirate Hunter name by beating 3 SNs and making two his cheerleaders. Maybe Kings defeat will be treated like Daz Bones but it feels weird. Until Kaido, Zoro never inflicted lasting damage on his opponents but then he scarred Kaido, broke Kings sword and cut his wing and brutalized Lucci (which will probably also leave a scar). Will this theme continue?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#4
not enough crying moments for woke shitheads?
Priceless. :milaugh:

Zoro would already be legendary if Oda wasnt going out of his way to keep Zoro's fame to a minimum.

If King was known as Lunarian and their fight broadcasted to Elders or at least reported that a Lunarian was beaten by Zoro, it would already add a lot more Fame to Zoro. Instead, he moved Zoro and King where nobody could witness it...
Also, DR golem feat dropped all the jaws except those who could speak of Zoro's legend - Law, Fujitora, Sabo, afaik, none of them saw it.
However, Hakai feat was witnessed by all 4 other leaders of new generation, they know about that legendary feat.

Leaving his mark of people since Kaido is a cool theme and would be nice if it continues. Also, the Elder Venus probably didnt know that anyone besides him uses a Kitetsu so that might spark some interest. Oda is acting weird when it comes to Zoro's fame, he is scared of it, trying to push it down because he fears Zoro will become more popular than Luffy. After all he cannot allow Power to become more famous than Fame.
 
#5
I think his Legend grows with how many Places He visited to Prove himself,
People don't necessarily need to read about it in Newspapers (It's a Huge Plus though ofc), but when They are on a Journey, They will keep hearing about him, the more Places talk about him, the Bigger his Legend,

Even if those Feats are of different caliber, but from People's Perspective in General, They are all things that are Impossible to them & can never forget about them regardless if They witnessed them themselves or heard it from those who did

In other words, Legend of Zoro is all of these together:

Legend of East Blue
Legend of Whisky Peak
Legend of Arabasta
Legend of Sky Island
Legend of Long Ring Long Land
Legend of Water 7
Legend of Enies Lobby
Legend of Thriller Bark
Legend of Fish-Men Island
Legend of Punk Hazard
Legend of Dressrosa
Legend of Wano (Includes Onigashima)
Legend of Egghead
Legend of Elbaph (Upcoming)
... etc

It's all about if People remember you in that Place, not what you did or with who, for example Usopp gained Epithet of "King of Snipers" for his Feat in Enies Lobby sniping Marines & Spandam from insane distance, so He has a Legend in Enies Lobby (Even Bartolomeo was fanboying about it) even though He didn't Defeat anyone

You can apply this Method to other SHs to see how Big is their Legend compared to each other.
 
#6
I think his Legend grows with how many Places He visited to Prove himself,
People don't necessarily need to read about it in Newspapers (It's a Huge Plus though ofc), but when They are on a Journey, They will keep hearing about him, the more Places talk about him, the Bigger his Legend,

Even if those Feats are of different caliber, but from People's Perspective in General, They are all things that are Impossible to them & can never forget about them regardless if They witnessed them themselves or heard it from those who did

In other words, Legend of Zoro is all of these together:

Legend of East Blue
Legend of Whisky Peak
Legend of Arabasta
Legend of Sky Island
Legend of Long Ring Long Land
Legend of Water 7
Legend of Enies Lobby
Legend of Thriller Bark
Legend of Fish-Men Island
Legend of Punk Hazard
Legend of Dressrosa
Legend of Wano (Includes Onigashima)
Legend of Egghead
Legend of Elbaph (Upcoming)
... etc

It's all about if People remember you in that Place, not what you did or with who, for example Usopp gained Epithet of "King of Snipers" for his Feat in Enies Lobby sniping Marines & Spandam from insane distance, so He has a Legend in Enies Lobby (Even Bartolomeo was fanboying about it) even though He didn't Defeat anyone

You can apply this Method to other SHs to see how Big is their Legend compared to each other.
Yeah that was mostly what I was trying to say, just like Ryuma has many legends, so will Zoro. His Pica feat being discussed etc.
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Priceless. :milaugh:

Zoro would already be legendary if Oda wasnt going out of his way to keep Zoro's fame to a minimum.

If King was known as Lunarian and their fight broadcasted to Elders or at least reported that a Lunarian was beaten by Zoro, it would already add a lot more Fame to Zoro. Instead, he moved Zoro and King where nobody could witness it...
Also, DR golem feat dropped all the jaws except those who could speak of Zoro's legend - Law, Fujitora, Sabo, afaik, none of them saw it.
However, Hakai feat was witnessed by all 4 other leaders of new generation, they know about that legendary feat.

Leaving his mark of people since Kaido is a cool theme and would be nice if it continues. Also, the Elder Venus probably didnt know that anyone besides him uses a Kitetsu so that might spark some interest. Oda is acting weird when it comes to Zoro's fame, he is scared of it, trying to push it down because he fears Zoro will become more popular than Luffy. After all he cannot allow Power to become more famous than Fame.
Oda has pushed himself into a corner, on one hand he cant break Zoro out of character and on the other he cant let him outshine Luffy in the OP world like that. Because then he cannot justify lower bounties and all that shit. The problem is that with power fame automatically comes.
 
#7
His best fame feat is probably going to be beating Mihawk. Although I could see him doing some misc stuff to bump up his fame. Not sure what exactly but as always, it's only up to Oda
Being the right hand of the new pirate king :sanmoji:
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This is not a powerscaling debate so haters are free to fuck off. Most of the criticism (found or unfounded) about Zoros character is lack of character development (not enough crying moments for woke shitheads?) or that Oda only reserves him for cool moments. With the focus on power scaling people forget that Zoro is also going to earn a lot of fame like Luffy - look at three guys he is paralleled/compared with, Ryuma, Mihawk, Rayleigh. Ryuma has a legendary status, Mihawk is the current WSS and most famous swordsman, Rayleigh is the Dark King -everybody knows his name.

Then you look at how Oda has portrayed Zoro from the start, he was famous even before Luffy as the Pirate Hunter and 1000 chapters later Kaido also calls him Pirate Hunter, we also get the Zoro being called Luffys subordinate and Sanji being pirate A/B joke in EL.

Almost in every arc, Zoro gets some feats which are witnessed or leave marks and which will add up to his legend, for example Zoro becoming part of the WSS debate between public after DR.

I invite my fellow Zboys @Fleet Leader Fenaker @nik87 @CbShadow @mly90 @ShishioIsBack @HA001 @Terra Arseid7 @Lor D. Coast etc. to add feats to this thread arc by arc (I am really bad at adding images etc,).

East Blue - He was already famous but then he defeated Morgans, the Nyaban Brothers, fought Mihawk, raided Arlong Park.
Alabasta - Defeated 100 bounty hunters, Mr.5, Daz Bones
Skypeia - Defeated Ohm but that will probably never become part of the legend or recounted as a famous event by the blue sea
EL - Train cut, Aqua Laguna, Kaku
TB - Ryuma, Oars, Nothing Happened (Lolas members saw it)
SA - attacking CD (Bonney stopped him but the other SNs saw it)
FI - Palace raid, Hody, Hyozo
PH - Dragon slice (only SHs though), Monet
DR - Pica, Fujitora
Wano - Magistrate, Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Hakai, Kaido scar (only Law witness), King (video recorded/transmitted)
EH - Lucci

Wano is weird in a sense that the real feats (Kaido and King, Kaido died) did not have the witnesses like Picas defeat. Zoro lived up to his Pirate Hunter name by beating 3 SNs and making two his cheerleaders. Maybe Kings defeat will be treated like Daz Bones but it feels weird. Until Kaido, Zoro never inflicted lasting damage on his opponents but then he scarred Kaido, broke Kings sword and cut his wing and brutalized Lucci (which will probably also leave a scar). Will this theme continue?
With egghead you forgot clashing with gorosei and seraphim
 
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