Powers & Abilities The Logia Class is a Lie..

[milluki]

I don't want to argue the general case, as no one believes that. Many though believe that the Darknesslogia is a Zoan in truth. I don't think so. Their first argument is that Blackbeard can't turn into the element. Sounds unusual, but it isn't. The Sandlogia is weak to water, when the user gets in contact with it, he can't transformm anymore. Blackbeard is always in contact with his weakness, light. The Five Elders made it sound like the Nikafruit was the only one, for which the name was changed. They changed the name to Gum Gum Fruit, because that sounds so insignificant. So no one would go after it. Why would you try to hide a Mythical Zoan by declaring it the strongest Logia instead? This is not helping. Many might prefer the strongest Logia over one of the strongest Mythical Zoans. Even before Luffy awakened his fruit, he could do weird transformations. Blackbeard never showed such things, not even when he was dying to Whitebeard, where enhanced durability would have really come in handy.

 

[vikas]

It still won't add up

Awakening affects surroundings in case of paramecia and logia

So he can have something like UV or Gamma Rays but kizaru awakening should also affect surroundings

No.... We are only told that fact for paramecia.... And I am assuming that too for element type of paramecia.. Like string, mochi rubber.
Zoan is different..

And since oda has hidden logia for so long.. Assuming he is still thinking what to do..

 

[Krusher1357]

Yes rootbougya, you fukn tell 'em

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Why is Vegapunk having trouble recreating logia fruits if he successfully recreated a mythical zoan already?

 

[Reborn]

No.... We are only told that fact for paramecia.... And I am assuming that too for element type of paramecia.. Like string, mochi rubber.
Zoan is different..

And since oda has hidden logia for so long.. Assuming he is still thinking what to do..

We have evidences for logia awakening


Punk hazard climatic divide

No snow on drum island when ace appeared

 

[Peroroncino]

Why is Vegapunk having trouble recreating logia fruits if he successfully recreated a mythical zoan already?

because logias diverge while mythical zoans converge

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Their first argument is that Blackbeard can't turn into the element.

I'd say he did in Impel Down when he kicked Hannyabal down.

 

[Herrera95]

Yeah. Everything is Mythical Zoans. Logia. Paramecia. Non Mythical zoans.

 

[trav]

After pulling the Nika stunt I would not put it past Oda.
Albeit I do not think that Logia are anything else than Logia. They are elements and naturally intangible. Even when they are Logias are a solid, like ice or a forest...
Luffy was always tangible. This is how you know that Logias are real.

 

[vikas]

After pulling the Nika stunt I would not put it past Oda.
Albeit I do not think that Logia are anything else than Logia. They are elements and naturally intangible. Even when they are Logias are a solid, like ice or a forest...
Luffy was always tangible. This is how you know that Logias are real.

These DF types were ideas of the earlier editor...so I doubt oda has good ideas/plans for it...I mean we would have seen something related to Logia awakening if he actually had some plans...it would most probably be some kind of RetCon maybe.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Don't know...maybe UV-C rays or something...He might become blue light maybe....radiation....See if he controls light...everything related to light around them will basically become a threat.

Sanji space power

 

[Rootbeer]

How interesting, my friend sent me this exact picture a few days ago and said, cry, enel uses awakening
And I told him, isn't this more like Luffy's gear 4?

Enel doesn't have Gears, so that transformation is his Awakening..

Inherently wrong. Mythical Zoans is a completely different entity from Logia. Outside of Mythicals I'd say Katakuri's Mochi is the only one with 2 properties: Paramecia/Logia

Logia is one nature, fire, magma, ice, wood, light et cetera. Mythical Zoans are a can be mix of multiple DFs.

Marco: Logia/Zoan
Luffy: Paramecia/Zoan

It could be divided in 2 larger categories..

- Those who Dreamed of being said power
- Those who Dreamed of using said power

Simply not possible
While its true Logias are god fruits, the inferior mythical zoans can not transform into an element of their own. Also, Nika god can die to hakiless attacks like Kaido's air slashes, meanwhile logias require haki

They can be a specific class of Zoan withing the Zoans..
Normal Zoan, Ancient Zoan, Mythical Zoan, Elemental Zoan..

Ghost Ghost fruit Elemental model : Magma
Ghost Ghost fruit Elemental model : Light
Ghost Ghost fruit Elemental model : Ice

Now what is upgraded version of light?

More Light..

Punk: I can clone mythical zoans. But I can’t clone Logias

It may be harder because they have a more powerful Soul and thus more willpower..

Why would you try to hide a Mythical Zoan by declaring it the strongest Logia instead? This is not helping. Many might prefer the strongest Logia over one of the strongest Mythical Zoans.

I don't have all the answers but my guess is it relates to the void century..

Why is Vegapunk having trouble recreating logia fruits if he successfully recreated a mythical zoan already?

Because they have stronger will power maybe.. It's easier to clone Animal Devil Fruits they have less will power..
I don't think Vegapunk could recreate any Luffy's Nika Fruit or any Human Human Devil Fruits..

 

[Reborn]

Why is Vegapunk having trouble recreating logia fruits if he successfully recreated a mythical zoan already?

Because each type of df requires different means.

The method he used to create zoan wasn't applicable on paramecia and logia.


He found another way to create artificial paramecia by taking lineage factor of present Paramecia df user and then creating Green blood out of it.


But this method didn't work on logia fruits.


I think it could be because it's difficult to take lineage factor of logia fruit user as they are elemental and non tangible or it could be that logia fruit are special class.

 

[Rootbeer]

Because each type of df requires different means.

The method he used to create zoan wasn't applicable on paramecia and logia.


He found another way to create artificial paramecia by taking lineage factor of present Paramecia df user and then creating Green blood out of it.


But this method didn't work on logia fruits.


I think it could be because it's difficult to take lineage factor of logia fruit user as they are elemental and non tangible or it could be that logia fruit are special class.

Or more powerful Zoans..

 

[Reborn]

Or more powerful Zoans..

No


Vegapunk said he can create any type of zoans...ancient(kaido), mythical (Marco)and even special ones (like luffy).

He can also create any type of paramecia


But he failed at logia

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I'm not arguing with Rootbeer, but simply educating him

You can’t educate a broken AI

 

[Rootbeer]

No


Vegapunk said he can create any type of zoans...ancient(kaido), mythical (Marco)and even special ones (like luffy).

He can also create any type of paramecia


But he failed at logia

I guarantee you he can't recreate Luffy's.. The human soul is too stubborn to temper with..

 

[Reborn]

I guarantee you he can't recreate Luffy's.. The human soul is too stubborn to temper with..

Your guarantee is not cannon


Manga is and if manga says he can then yes he can and this is after we learnt luffy has special zoan

 

[Rootbeer]

Your guarantee is not cannon


Manga is and if manga says he can then yes he can and this is after we learnt luffy has special zoan

Does Vegapunk know that Luffy's fruit is Human version?..

He clone the mythical model of the fish fruit and assumed all the mythical are the same..
Typical misleading tactic from Oda..

 

[Reborn]

Does Vegapunk know that Luffy's fruit is Human version?..

He clone the mythical model of the fish fruit and assumed all the mythical are the same..
Typical misleading tactic from Oda..

Yeah everything is misleading for you lol


Stop overthinking.

Manga says he can then he can. Either you present me a counter evidence or accept it that you are coming up with headcannon and drop it