Controversial The misconception of immortality.

[PrimordialGod95]

It seems like fans mix up being immortal meaning that person cannot be killed. No it just me they cannot die from natural causes like diseases and aging basically eternal life. Seeing there's different levels to immortality when that's never been the case. They're different levels of healing or regeneration depending on the person's abilities or biology. Now If that person was invulnerable then I can understand your logic but simply having immortality is not it.

 

[Roo]

It seems like fans mix up being immortal meaning that person cannot be killed.

Because often in fiction it means that

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It really just depends on the character
Some characters can both regenerate and live forever (like Alucard from Hellsing)
But there's also other meanings of immortality beyond just regenerating or living forever
It's weird

 

[PrimordialGod95]

Because often in fiction it means that

if a person heals from damage it just simply means they have good regenerating abilities it has nothing to do with immortality at all.

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Some characters can both regenerate and live forever (like Alucard from Hellsing)

I mean that's obvious he is a vampire plus he's undead so him being a immortal makes sense.

But there's also other meanings of immortality beyond just regenerating or living forever
It's weird

Immortality doesn't give you the ability to regenerate it never has only they can't die from natural causes from diseases or decaying so yeah living forever that point you got right.

 

[Roo]

if a person heals from damage it just simply means they have good regenerating abilities it has nothing to do with immortality at all.

Your personal definition doesnt mean shit when in media immortality is regen and living forever lol

 

[Steven]

Several types of immortality exist
1: Longevity


Longevity is the power to live a long time. People gifted with this type of immortality cannot die from natural causes, old age, illnesses etc, but can be killed by unnatural causes.

Examples include Kakuzu from Naruto, Odin from Marvel Comics, Shadow the Hedgehog from Sonic the Hedgehog

2: Immortality without regeneration


This type of immortality is not useful for combat. Essentially bodily harm cannot kill you but your original form can be mutilated. An immortal of this category can be maimed and rendered useless in battle. If the character in question has high durability then this type of immortality can be more useful.

Example: Voldemort from Harry Potter, Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy, Hidan from Naruto.

3: Immortality via regeneration


You can maim the person, kill him etc and he'll still come back. This type of immortality hinges on how well the character can regenerate. Most high tier regeneration grants immortality.

Example: Reload from Biomega, Alucard from Hellsing, Dark Schneider from Bastard!!, and Wolverine from Marvel Comics.

4: Immortality via Godhood or protection from a deity


This kind of immortality is granted by a God or is given by virtue of Godhood. Only a God of higher status can override it.

Example: Juggernaut from Marvel Comics, Lucifer Morningstar from DC/Vertigo Comics.

5: Perfect Immortality


Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as erasing the target's existence or "killing" them on higher levels of existence are needed to destroy them.

Example: The One Above All from Marvel Comics, The Presence from DC/Vertigo Comics, Kami Tenchi from Tenchi Muyo!

6: Parasitic


The person attains a sort of immortality by bodyhopping, transferring their soul to another body.

Example: Orochimaru from Naruto, Violator from Image Comics, Darth Sidious from Star Wars (Legends), and Dante from Fullmetal Alchemist's first anime.

7: Undead


Self explanatory. The undead generally double up with other types of immortality. Zombies may possess similar resistances to the "Immortality Only" category. Ghosts occasionally double up with "Perfect Immortality" as they can not usually be killed again.

Example: Ghosts and Inferi in Harry Potter, Jason Voorhees from Friday the 13th.

The likes of Voldemort and Hidan dont have regen hence their immortality is kinda "useless"

 

[PrimordialGod95]

Your personal definition doesnt mean shit when in media immortality is regen and living forever lol

no it just means living forever it is not a personal definition it's an actual definition.

 

[Roo]

no it just means living forever it is not a personal definition it's an actual definition.

Living forever can encompass regen as it allows the person to live forever

regardless I am telling how it’s used in common language. In fiction often times immortality is used to described regeneration.

 

[PrimordialGod95]

1: Longevity


Longevity is the power to live a long time. People gifted with this type of immortality cannot die from natural causes, old age, illnesses etc, but can be killed by unnatural causes.

Yeah that's the literal definition of immortality.

2: Immortality without regeneration


This type of immortality is not useful for combat. Essentially bodily harm cannot kill you but your original form can be mutilated. An immortal of this category can be maimed and rendered useless in battle. If the character in question has high durability then this type of immortality can be more useful.

a immortal body with no regeneration abilities is simply just that a immortal body with no regeneration abilities.

3: Immortality via regeneration


You can maim the person, kill him etc and he'll still come back. This type of immortality hinges on how well the character can regenerate. Most high tier regeneration grants immortality.

So basically the same thing as number two except they have regenerative abilities on top of it.

Immortality via Godhood or protection from a deity


This kind of immortality is granted by a God or is given by virtue of Godhood. Only a God of higher status can override it.

so basically there's different types of regenerative abilities certain immortals have and there are some that don't have them at all.

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Living forever can encompass regen as it allows the person to live forever

no it doesn't that has never been the case even in fiction.

In fiction often times immortality is used to described regeneration.

Do you have examples of this

 

[Daniel]

So basically the same thing as number two except they have regenerative abilities on top of it.

There’s always the case of someone being immortal primarily because their inherent regenerative abilities continually renew their constitution, allowing them to function indefinitely.

This trait is distinct from regeneration because a character might survive or keep functioning despite serious injuries, without actually showing any visible healing or regrowth.

The basic definition of immortality is that a character cannot die of old age, regardless of how much time passes, and there are various ways this can be achieved depending on the methods used to maintain it.

Spoiler

There's over 10 different types of immortality on the Powerlisting page and I'm too lazy to check all of them rn

 

[Roo]

no it doesn't that has never been the case even in fiction.


Do you have examples of this

bruh read any vampire media. They are often described as immortal creatures and they have both regen and extended lives. Just off the top of my head twilight and vampire diaries both use the term immortal when describing their abilities(don’t ask me how I know). Also I’m pretty sure Allucard is mentioned to be immortal in Hellsing

 

[PrimordialGod95]

They are often described as immortal creatures and they have both regen and extended lives.

they are immortal because they cannot age or decay from natural causes and that's specifically because they are undead anyway. And depending on the type of regeneration they have it has nothing to do with them being immortal.

Also I’m pretty sure Allucard is mentioned to be immortal in Hellsing

yes because he's a vampire which are undead.

 

[Roo]

they are immortal because they cannot age or decay from natural causes and that's specifically because they are undead anyway. And depending on the type of regeneration they have it has nothing to do with them being immortal.

yes because he's a vampire which are undead.

Regeneration is part of why they live long lives lmao

This is the most autistic argument ever. It’s like talking to an alien that doesn’t understand human language

 

[PrimordialGod95]

There’s always the case of someone being immortal primarily because their inherent regenerative abilities

but not every immortal being has regenerative abilities so it has nothing to do with that.

This trait is distinct from regeneration because a character might survive or keep functioning despite serious injuries, without actually showing any visible healing or regrowth.

The basic definition of immortality is that a character cannot die of old age, regardless of how much time passes, and there are various ways this can be achieved depending on the methods used to maintain it.

isn't that the point I was making? You can't die for natural causes but they can still kill from certain methods. Having Immortality and low to high speed regeneration are not interchangeable.

 

[SkySanji]

This is just your opinion, and it couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[PrimordialGod95]

Regeneration is part of why they live long lives lmao

but it doesn't make us immortal. You can have regenerative abilities without being immortal just like you could be immortal without having regenerative abilities.

This is the most autistic argument ever. It’s like talking to an alien that doesn’t understand human language

yeah insulting someone doesn't help your argument get across in fact it just means you can't make any rebuttal.

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This is just your opinion, and it couldn't be further from the truth.

no it's a fact. Being immortal doesn't mean you can heal from damage that's only if they have regenerative abilities on top of that. Which is why you most often see fictional characters who are immortal has some type of regeneration but that doesn't mean they need that to be immortal.

 

[Roo]

yeah insulting someone doesn't help your argument get across in fact it just means you can't make any rebuttal.

“Insulting” you’re literally arguing semantics and not understanding why people view regeneration as a component of immortality when in fiction is almost always the case

this is like being pedantic about the use of “literally” instead of “figuratively”. I would call arguments like that autistic and not very socially aware

 

[Dragon777]

In theory, eternal youth is not immortality, which is a much wider concept. Usually immortality means all, but in some context means that you cannot be killed by force or disease.
Tolkien Elfs have eternal youth (kind of, they can age somehow, but outside specific circumstances they cannot die of old age), but not immortality (they can be easily killed by weapons).

Gorosei seems to have both, with limits (we know now for sure the regen/immortality can be overcome.

HK seems to have only immortality, but not eternal youth.

 

[PrimordialGod95]

you’re literally arguing semantics and not understanding why people view regeneration as a component of immortality when in fiction is almost always the case

it's not about what other people think it's about what's already pre-established already. You're arguing over something that is basic common knowledge.

 

[SkySanji]

it's not about what other people think it's about what's already pre-established already. You're arguing over something that is basic common knowledge.

Basic common knowledge yet everyone is disagreeing with you

This is no different from the Monster Trio/Weak Trio argument, even when the evidence is right in your face you continue to argue against it, either because you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing or because you're mentally incapable of admitting when you're wrong.