Chapter Discussion The mural depicts only the second world

[milluki]

I don't get why it is the default assumption that the mural depicts the first and second world. We are told they are scribbles by children from 800 to 900 years ago. Children, not historians or archaelogists. They would draw about their own time.

While Joyboy is fighting the huge demon, Imu is coming from behind. Joyboy didn't lose because he was too weak, he lost because the human kings betrayed him. There are 19 besides Imu, the ones carrying the stars.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

While Joyboy is fighting the huge demon, Imu is coming from behind. Joyboy didn't lose because he was too weak, he lost because the human kings betrayed him. There are 19 besides Imu, the ones carrying the stars.

This is fact. Great thread.

Imu isn’t the guy in the crown though, Imu is a dark shadowy figure. I honestly doubt Imu is even on this mural at all.

 

[mugiwalaw]

good point, Zunesha, Noah and 20 Kings were there on second war

 

[Paperchampion23]

The 1st world talks about 2 beings destroying the world and slaves praying for the Sun God and we literally see 2 beings trying to destroy the world and slaves praying lol.

Its definitely both the first 2 worlds.

 

[ElderOnitar]

It's pretty clear the tree is meant to divide two different eras- we even see the serpent mentioned in the first world depicted on the right side attacking things, alongside another entity. Otherwise, why overlay the part describing the first world over the mural? The figures giving "stars" to the crowned figure look like laborers/slaves, not kings.

The fact it was drawn by children doesn't exclude this- every middle-schooler in the U.S could tell you what the boston tea party was, or who crossed the Delaware river, etc...

 

[kyejames316]

All 3 worlds are on the mural? This couldn’t have been portrayed more clearly

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It's pretty clear the tree is meant to divide two different eras- we even see the serpent mentioned in the first world depicted on the right side attacking things, alongside another entity. Otherwise, why overlay the part describing the first world over the mural? The figures giving "stars" to the crowned figure look like laborers/slaves, not kings.

The fact it was drawn by children doesn't exclude this- every middle-schooler in the U.S could tell you what the boston tea party was, or who crossed the Delaware river, etc...

The tree is not dividing worlds, it is the second world over which Imu reigned from beside the Eve tree without opposition, the embers spread by Joyboy’s failure are represented by the flames consuming the ship descending from the moon.

 

[vikas]

are told they are scribbles by children from 800 to 900 years ago. Children, not historians or archaelogists. They would draw about their own time.

Because of the narration through Robin reading it and in the end it's just odas way of teasing again.... Ain't no kids drawing all that detailed plot related drawings which seems more like narration from third person perspective....

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

I don't get why it is the default assumption that the mural depicts the first and second world. We are told they are scribbles by children from 800 to 900 years ago. Children, not historians or archaelogists. They would draw about their own time.

While Joyboy is fighting the huge demon, Imu is coming from behind. Joyboy didn't lose because he was too weak, he lost because the human kings betrayed him. There are 19 besides Imu, the ones carrying the stars.

manga is read right to left and the mural shows the first world on the right side and the second world on the left side.

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Because of the narration through Robin reading it and in the end it's just odas way of teasing again.... Ain't no kids drawing all that detailed plot related drawings which seems more like narration from third person perspective....

"its drawn by children" is a guess from a fucking giant gym teacher yeah lol. meanwhile robin is reading the legitimate ancient history that maps to the image

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All 3 worlds are on the mural? This couldn’t have been portrayed more clearly

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The tree is not dividing worlds, it is the second world over which Imu reigned from beside the Eve tree without opposition, the embers spread by Joyboy’s failure are represented by the flames consuming the ship descending from the moon.

the tree is clearly the dividing line between worlds. this is whats called a "diptych" in art.

 

[The DevilMaster]

The demon:

Spoiler: 1º

Slaves praying for 20 years:

Spoiler: 2º

Two beings destroying the world:
While people prayed for tomorrow and for kaidou to go.

Spoiler: 3º

The 1st world is just a usual copy and paste of how Oda is doing things.
Still it's too much of a coincidence why kaidou was the one who awakened Nika.

What I mean is that, unlike all of Luffy's other opponents, Kaidou was someone Nika had to face. The White Warrior of Liberation had to defeat him.

Look at whether Oda made Nika defeat Kizaru or even take him seriously—none of that happened. I believe Luffy's opponents from now on will be deeply tied to the concept of liberation, and not, for example, Kizaru, who is nothing more than an empty shell and a corporate slave.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The serpent is from world 1 and it is shown at the right side of the mural. So no.

 

[kyejames316]

Nope!
Check out my recent theory post for full discussion:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...pen-if-you-havent-read-the-new-chapter.64390/

 

[garciajulieen]

I don't get why it is the default assumption that the mural depicts the first and second world. We are told they are scribbles by children from 800 to 900 years ago. Children, not historians or archaelogists. They would draw about their own time.

While Joyboy is fighting the huge demon, Imu is coming from behind. Joyboy didn't lose because he was too weak, he lost because the human kings betrayed him. There are 19 besides Imu, the ones carrying the stars.

Man you're getting better and better Miluki! Great thread cheers!

 

[Rootbeer]

It's interesting, Oda's goal seems to have been that the community is divided on the interpretation of the Mural just like the Giants are believing different mythology about the Sun God..

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

All 3 worlds are on the mural? This couldn’t have been portrayed more clearly

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The tree is not dividing worlds, it is the second world over which Imu reigned from beside the Eve tree without opposition, the embers spread by Joyboy’s failure are represented by the flames consuming the ship descending from the moon.

I thought the tree represented the forest god, thus placing the 2nd war in the center of the mural. It looks like the far right is the first war, the center looks like the second and the left seems to have elements of the 2nd and 3rd wars. I dunno

 

[kyejames316]

I thought the tree represented the forest god, thus placing the 2nd war in the center of the mural. It looks like the far right is the first war, the center looks like the second and the left seems to have elements of the 2nd and 3rd wars. I dunno

You were (partially) right
I was wrong.
Only first two conflicts are depicted

 

[moreha9685]

Man you're getting better and better Miluki! Great thread cheers!

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Simple as.

First world with the serpent.
Third (current) world with the devil.

Second world has the dragon (IMU) and the tree (spawning the DFs).

The second world isn't as clearly divided from the other two because they are intertwined. The second world is a continuation of the first, with the crowned king having claimed power and status only thanks to what happened during the first world, and this second world hasn't had a resolution to its conflict yet, hence why all the actors will flow directly into the massive and final third world conflict.