General & Others The myth of reading an arc in a row

[Herrera95]

Drizzt finally made his episode of One Piece Downfall about WCI(where my personal downfall started). And this video is great to debunk that believe many people have that you have to read an arc in a row or at least by volumes because One Piece was not mean to be read weekly. He divided WCI into parts talking about the whole role of a certain character in that arc. Which means he only talk about what this character did from beginning to the end which just make us realize how shitty writting Oda had in this arc. I admit that WCI looked a lot better before watching this video.

 

[gz89]

if the story/pacing is good there is no need for the reader to wait for the arc to be completed. this excuse is coming only from "OMG GOda" guys who cant admit that many arcs are bad espeacilly post TS.

 

[Herrera95]

if the story/pacing is good there is no need for the reader to wait for the arc to be completed. this excuse is coming only from "OMG GOda" guys who cant admit that many arcs are bad espeacilly post TS.

I know pacing sucks but still if overall story is good, after the arc is done pacing is not even an issue.

People are like complaining about story decisions and characters behaves while those guys are blaming pacing for it.

 

[mrtsrdr]

I dont know who made the this video. WCI has the best theme and one of the best character arcs ever. The only issue about wci is absolutely pacing. That is all. Story and building were very good.
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I dont know who made the this video. WCI has the best theme and one of the best character arcs ever. The only issue about wci is absolutely pacing. That is all. Story and building were very good.

 

[Herrera95]

I dont know who made the this video. WCI has the best theme and one of the best character arcs ever. The only issue about wci is absolutely pacing. That is all. Story and building were very good.
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I dont know who made the this video. WCI has the best theme and one of the best character arcs ever. The only issue about wci is absolutely pacing. That is all. Story and building were very good.

I said "Drizzt" this is the guy.

WCI has the best theme? WTF is the theme of it then?

WCI killed Sanji as a character. Sanji fight Luffy for no reason, he does nothing the entire arc and gets mocked by everybody.

 

[Date]

Why read the manga if u can just watch OP Youtubers and let them explain the manga to you

 

[Peenix]

WTF is the theme of it then?

Family

But like, why should I care if some eceleb no one's ever heard about dislikes a manga? It means nothing

 

[VisualKei]

Did Drizzt OP Youtubers mentioned Sabo and a few good men?

 

[Herrera95]

Family

But like, why should I care if some eceleb no one's ever heard about dislikes a manga? It means nothing

Family? Marineford was about family, Dressrosa too and also Wano.

 

[Peenix]

Family? Marineford was about family, Dressrosa too and also Wano.

Those arcs had family as a theme, but it wasn’t the main theme of the arc like it was in WCI

 

[mrtsrdr]

I said "Drizzt" this is the guy.

WCI has the best theme? WTF is the theme of it then?

WCI killed Sanji as a character. Sanji fight Luffy for no reason, he does nothing the entire arc and gets mocked by everybody.

this depends on the what you expected from arc .

Firstly , did u understand theme meaning right ?


Sanji was the one who have fight himself since childhood and solve everything in his own way till wci and his main role is cook of the crew.

Totally , sanji got what he needed.

 

[centurion]

I just finished binge rereading WCI arc myself a few days ago

The pacing didnt bother me, but the arc does have its flaws, and that video Drizzt made touches upon all of them and even more than I knew

but tbh as a post timeskip arc I still enjoyed it a bit more than the arcs before it (fishman, punk, dress)

my main gripe comes with the second half of the arc when the whole big mom chase and baking cake plot comes… yeah I think we can all agree noone liked that.

 

[JoNdule]

The only great arcs post ts are Zou and FI

WCI is still better than DR, pH and Wano

 

[Monster Luffy]

The only great arcs post ts are Zou and FI

WCI is still better than DR, pH and Wano

Zou > Reverie >> WCI > DR > FI > Wano > PH.

 

[NikaInParis]

Pack it up guys. Shitz told us One Piece = bad.

 

[Doggo]

There's a fundamental problem with taking any youtuber analysis as some kind of gospel.
I've watched all of Drizzt videos, including this one. Despite WCI being my personal favorite arc (I don't consider neither Zou nor Levely" as standalone "arcs"), I don't ignore the fact that, in the end, is still a post-TS arc and has a lot of the flaws that come with it. I "liked" the arc the first time reading it weekly. Only later, when I changed my perspective and read the arc again, was I able to actually enjoy it for what it was. But, funnily enough, even on my first reading, the things that bother people the most (big mom rampage, the cake baking and Luffy vs Sanji) never felt bad to me.
I think Drizzt contradicts himself when he talks about the Luffy x Sanji in this video. He claims Sanji "should have done things differently" at the time, like keeping himself composed and acting logically and finding "loop-holes" in Judge's demands like he's Saul Goodman or some shit. But, right after that, he says that the scene is meant to provoke emotion, drama and does a great job at that. As I've said in the spoiler waiting room, "drama" is, more often than not, about characters being forced into situations where they act emotionally and irrational. You can't make Sanji go into some "legal loop-hole" in the middle of having everyone dear to him being threatened and his hands about to be blown up and think a character like Judge will make a "Enel's face" while some sitcom audience starts laughing.

My turning point to start liking WCI more was Morj's "why WCI is underrated" video. It made me give the arc another go with a different mindset. Drizzt's video didn't actually do anything for me. Most of the criticism he makes either I have myself, or I don't fully agree with.

 

[Finalbeta]

Sounds like something I would never do right now

 

[Blazing Lion]

I think what people are mostly complaining about is that pre TS the arcs were pretty small or divided into smaller pieces and there was a whole lot more freedom/anticipation on what the SHPs would find on their next island. Whereas post TS everything has more or less been set in stone since Punk Hazard, it is just one island leading to the next without any breaks and the whole of post TS is a single saga.

I just think that a story with possibly so much overall depth is pretty difficult to fit in a weekly structure while ensuring that each chapter ends in a suspenseful way and keeps the reader excited and attached to the series while also having to deal with very aggressive competition in terms of work hours, expectations and magazine sales. Not saying Oda is a perfect mangaka but imagine Tolkien having to deal with this shit on a weekly basis while trying to write LoTR and drawing panels for it too.

 

[Herrera95]

this depends on the what you expected from arc .

Firstly , did u understand theme meaning right ?


Sanji was the one who have fight himself since childhood and solve everything in his own way till wci and his main role is cook of the crew.

Totally , sanji got what he needed.

What you expected from WCI?

I expected Sanji childhood explained and how he ended up at that restaurant before meeting Zeff. Okay we got that.

But it was said that Sanji was kind and not had being modified. Turns out that Sanji wasn't kind at all to his family or crew. Only to Zeff. Later at Wano he also had his genes modified.

Not only that but he didn't got proper fights. His fight with Yonji was off-screened, his fight with Judge wasn't all out and finished because Judge used human shield and Sanji was against it. He only clashed with Niji, Oven and Daifuku not an all out fight. Sanji at the beginning was portrayed to be superior than all his family but at the end somehow he is too slow and needs Raid Suit to be on their level...

Oda gives and Oda takes away from Sanji.

Remember that he wanted to save his family but at the end left them to die.
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Those arcs had family as a theme, but it wasn’t the main theme of the arc like it was in WCI

Marineford main theme was family. Ace son of Roger, executed because his dad was King of Pirates.
WB was his stepfather or almost that.
Whole WB's crew are considered family so all his brothers are risking their lives for him.

Dressrosa main theme is family too. Doflamingo became evil pretty much because of how he lived his early life as a Tenryuubito and suddenly he was poor and almost died to civilians because of his father being retarded. He killed his father and had his brother on his side. As he grow up he also consideres his crew as his family.
Then we have Rebecca that didn't remember her father because it was turned into a toy soldier. And we have Viola her aunt that was working under Doflamingo and Riku her grandfather that hide himself for years.
Law that wants to revenge on Doflamingo because of Corazon that he considered family too.

Wano is all about family. Oden, Momonosuke, Hiyori. Kaido, Big Mom and Yamato.

 

[mrtsrdr]

What you expected from WCI?

I expected Sanji childhood explained and how he ended up at that restaurant before meeting Zeff. Okay we got that.

But it was said that Sanji was kind and not had being modified. Turns out that Sanji wasn't kind at all to his family or crew. Only to Zeff. Later at Wano he also had his genes modified.

Not only that but he didn't got proper fights. His fight with Yonji was off-screened, his fight with Judge wasn't all out and finished because Judge used human shield and Sanji was against it. He only clashed with Niji, Oven and Daifuku not an all out fight. Sanji at the beginning was portrayed to be superior than all his family but at the end somehow he is too slow and needs Raid Suit to be on their level...

Oda gives and Oda takes away from Sanji.

Remember that he wanted to save his family but at the end left them to die.

I am not sure which arc did you read . Why would he be polite against his sblings and father ? Since childhood, his male sblings made exploitation because he is weak. he throw the jail with head collar at least six month . why did you expect sanji should be polite against family . judge did not even allow to sanji to cry for his mom. Only hero figures for sanjis childhood are his mom and reiju. that is why sanji admire woman. this is his characterazation.

Sanji is a human being who rejects all his destiny in order to preserve his humanity , the only legacy his mother left him . Sanji accepted the gene modification even though he can lose his humanity. He only did this for his crew and the wano he promised. Although you say that his genes have been changed, in fact, the main reason why Sanji even accepts this is the kind and worth he gives to his friends. Sanji has never enjoyed using the raid suite either. But at the heart of the matter, no matter what we do, we cannot change where we come from. But we decide for ourselves who we will be. This is Sanji's character motivation.

Let's come to the fights at WCI. I don't want to prolong this. But you have to understand this. The theme and everything of the WCI arc has been designed according to its cooking abilities. Sanji's main job is as a cook. So it was very clear for Sanji that WCI would not be fight centered . We may not think the same. But from Oda's point of view, this is the case.

Temporarily neutralizing Yonkou by making cakes and saving everyone = Zoro saving supernovas . Both of them did what they had to do within their main duty.

Sanji is one of the two best written characters in one piece history. Everything will make more sense to you if you evaluate Sanji not as the main combatanant, but in terms of his own character traits.