General & Others The Over Exaggeration of Oden's Attack

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Herrera95

#42
You have a point about forms. Maybe Dragon form is really a shit one and his Hybrid form is miles ahead of it(human form to me still the strongest in terms of W's). That would explain a lot.

But you miss the part where Kaido got stronger over those 20 years. Maybe he didn't had drunk mode when facing Oden.

So Oden did a huge damage to Kaido and could have killed him easily. If that was poor chosing form from Kaido than that being. It seems Luffy got defeated in 1013 without using G4, so poor chose of him too.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#43
Can't prove any of this but I feel like Kaido's stats probably improved massively during these 20 years. He probably only learned Hybrid form later and even an advanced Hybrid.

His Base stats probably improved as well.
 

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Queen Gunko!➡️⬆️⬇️⬅️
#44
There is indeed canonically proof that kaido wasn't giving it his all in that fight, but there's nothing about ODEN that says the same.

The fight in a nutshell:
I attack you and you attack me.

Oden: I fatally wounded you, but I didn't defeat you.

Kaido: I didn't fatally wound you, but I knocked you out.
:cheers:
 
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Formerly Seth

#46
Oden was pure trash.

People think he almost murdered Kaido whereas in Oden's flashback in anime ( consulted with Oda btw ) shows that after Togen Totsuka they just stood up and were ready for round 2 before Baba and the hostage thing.

He hasn't fought prime Kaido.

Stop the shame.
 
#47
Oden was pure trash.

People think he almost murdered Kaido whereas in Oden's flashback in anime ( consulted with Oda btw ) shows that after Togen Totsuka they just stood up and were ready for round 2 before Baba and the hostage thing.

He hasn't fought prime Kaido.

Stop the shame.
Odens attack is only slightly stronger than Zoros no matter how hard wankers boost it.

Zoros feat is still more impressive since he pulled it with 30 broken bones on fully alert attack mode monster Kaido in point blank range.

Zoro got speed feat, endurance feat and attack feat at the same time.

Crazy that was before King of Hell.
 
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Formerly Seth

#48
Odens attack is only slightly stronger than Zoros no matter how hard wankers boost it.

Zoros feat is still more impressive since he pulled it with 30 broken bones on fully alert attack mode monster Kaido in point blank range.

Zoro got speed feat, endurance feat and attack feat at the same time.

Crazy that was before King of Hell.
Zoro's feats are more impressive by default. He did those vs Prime Yonko Kaido.

Oden fought some virgin type Kaido.
 
#49
Oden was pure trash.

People think he almost murdered Kaido whereas in Oden's flashback in anime ( consulted with Oda btw ) shows that after Togen Totsuka they just stood up and were ready for round 2 before Baba and the hostage thing.

He hasn't fought prime Kaido.

Stop the shame.
Yeah. Best case scenario oden's attack was 2 times more powerful than Zoro's unmastered adv coc asura attack
 
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Formerly Seth

#51
Yeah. Best case scenario oden's attack was 2 times more powerful than Zoro's unmastered adv coc asura attack
2 times more powerful than 30 broken bones Zoro's unmastered Ashura attack*.

Oden was so overrated. People actively shat on Kaido for that moment where Kaido wasn't the man he was during Wano raid.
 
#53
--Eh luffy's base nameless attack looked more impressive than KKG to me ; how will you explain it?
both KKG and Togen totsuka knocked kaido to the ground

the difference is that current Kaido has awakened his DF and used awakening to recover from the attack

^^ this isn't his normal hybrid form


Yes, Oden did nearly kill Kaido. That's why Kaido ranks him as highly as he does, despite Oda showing us that he wasn't on the level of WB or Roger. The thing was, Kaido simply wasn't as strong as he is right now, 20 years ago.
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You have a point about forms. Maybe Dragon form is really a shit one and his Hybrid form is miles ahead of it(human form to me still the strongest in terms of W's). That would explain a lot.

But you miss the part where Kaido got stronger over those 20 years. Maybe he didn't had drunk mode when facing Oden.

So Oden did a huge damage to Kaido and could have killed him easily. If that was poor chosing form from Kaido than that being. It seems Luffy got defeated in 1013 without using G4, so poor chose of him too.
Dragon form has worse combat abilities, but is Kaido's largest form.

While Kaido could have better countered togen totsuka in hybrid, if it actually hit, it would have done much more damage. As dragon kaido is much larger and it still made him pass out.
 
#56
both KKG and Togen totsuka knocked kaido to the ground

the difference is that current Kaido has awakened his DF and used awakening to recover from the attack

^^ this isn't his normal hybrid form


Yes, Oden did nearly kill Kaido. That's why Kaido ranks him as highly as he does, despite Oda showing us that he wasn't on the level of WB or Roger. The thing was, Kaido simply wasn't as strong as he is right now, 20 years ago.
I think if oden had followed his attack and landed his attack on Kaido's wind pipe he could have killed him but that is not my point here. Oden's attack didn't chip away 35+ HP from Kaido.

Also yes drunken Kaido has way higher defense as base luffy (no gears) was doing damage to Hybrid Kaido where Drunken Kaido tanked adv coc KKG. Adv coc KKG >>> Base luffy's punches
 
#58
That isn't Awakening.
Lucci also did the same shit in EL.
I don’t think he did

Lucci just used life return to reduce muscle mass. Kaido’s facial features are completely different in that form compared to his normal hybrid.
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SO DID SCABBARDS ATTACK
except kaido is nearly going all out against boundman Luffy

The only thing he didn’t use was the flame dragon.
 
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ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#60
I don’t think he did

Lucci just used life return to reduce muscle mass. Kaido’s facial features are completely different in that form compared to his normal hybrid.
The changes are in the amount of Dragon-like features that are present in the Hybrid.
Nothing really says that it's an awakening "form" & only awakened Zoans can do that.
Kaidou is a strong candidate to be an awakened zoan - but as all Zoan awakenings, it gives them a boost for their physical properties.
There's no such thing as "Hybrid Awakened" form.
 
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