General & Others The people who said Luffy didnt use ACoC when he clashed with Kizaru in base are in the mud
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The animators don't give a shit about coherence. They just want to make something more flashy.
Oh, wait, in the manga too. Luffy, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri when clashing their Haki, a lot of black rays appeared. Zoro before Wano, against Pica, also demonstrated black rays emanating from his meitos in anime.
Absolutely everything will look like ACOC now. Armament Haki is no more.
Oh, wait, in the manga too. Luffy, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri when clashing their Haki, a lot of black rays appeared. Zoro before Wano, against Pica, also demonstrated black rays emanating from his meitos in anime.
Absolutely everything will look like ACOC now. Armament Haki is no more.
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Not at all, imho:
This is clearly CoC. AdvCoA doesn't even have lightnings at all.
This is clearly CoC. AdvCoA doesn't even have lightnings at all.
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The animators don't give a shit about coherence. They just want to make something more flashy.
Oh, wait, in the manga too. Luffy, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri when clashing their Haki, a lot of black rays appeared. Zoro before Wano, against Pica, also demonstrated black rays emanating from his meitos in anime.
Absolutely everything will look like ACOC now. Armament Haki is no more.
Oh, wait, in the manga too. Luffy, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri when clashing their Haki, a lot of black rays appeared. Zoro before Wano, against Pica, also demonstrated black rays emanating from his meitos in anime.
Absolutely everything will look like ACOC now. Armament Haki is no more.
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The animators don't give a shit about coherence. They just want to make something more flashy.
Oh, wait, in the manga too. Luffy, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri when clashing their Haki, a lot of black rays appeared. Zoro before Wano, against Pica, also demonstrated black rays emanating from his meitos in anime.
Absolutely everything will look like ACOC now. Armament Haki is no more.
Oh, wait, in the manga too. Luffy, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri when clashing their Haki, a lot of black rays appeared. Zoro before Wano, against Pica, also demonstrated black rays emanating from his meitos in anime.
Absolutely everything will look like ACOC now. Armament Haki is no more.
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The only visuals that counts are the one after the AdvCoC was revealed.
Not at all, imho:
This is clearly CoC. AdvCoA doesn't even have lightnings at all.
This is clearly CoC. AdvCoA doesn't even have lightnings at all.
Scabbards showed tons on haki with their advanced armament attacks. Advanced armament also clearly shows lightning.
All these show lightning:
- basic armament (most instances pre Udon, Ulti)
- advanced armament (scabbards/rooftop Luffy/Oden who met WB for first time)
- basic conqueror's (Doflamingo/Katakuri/pre Udon Luffy)
- advanced conqueror's (many instances post chapter 1010)
Reality is, nobody knows with 100% certainty, cause Loda is a fraud author who couldn't visually differentiate the very basic haki (that even fodders have) and the strongest of haki (that only handful at the top have), in a meaningful way.
"Oh, look at this lightning's shape, thickness, curve, divergence etc"
All speculations, nothing more.
Well, basically you said It yourself: because with lightnings that way, with that form who "came back" to the user in this fashion "user > target", It's quite clearly CoC.
This is unfortunately another matter: Oda sucks in these kind of things and so there Is always going to be something missing. Still, I think that was quite clear.
People are unwilling to concede only because It was against Kizaru and Kizaru guarded against It no problem, and that goes against the usual agendas. If we had this scene against, idk, Shanks and Shanks guarded against It as Kizaru did, basically no one would have said a thing.
This is unfortunately another matter: Oda sucks in these kind of things and so there Is always going to be something missing. Still, I think that was quite clear.
People are unwilling to concede only because It was against Kizaru and Kizaru guarded against It no problem, and that goes against the usual agendas. If we had this scene against, idk, Shanks and Shanks guarded against It as Kizaru did, basically no one would have said a thing.
I legitimately have no idea what this means
I don't even have an agenda against Kizaru though. I think Kizaru >= Luffy; both were not going all out and were doing some disgraceful mickey mouse stuff.
But Oda's portrayal is that the fight would be close, but Kizaru is a bit stronger, with the double KO while Kizaru got back up first.
I just don't buy that we can claim what type of haki is being used, from visuals alone.
100% confirmation at this point can only come from characters outright saying it.
Other than that, for me, narrative/logical argument makes more sense than arguments based on visuals.
For example, I think it's logical to assume Zoro's final attack on Lucci was advanced conqueror's - because Lucci was shown able to hold his own against even Zoro overusing advanced armament (smoke), it doesn't make sense that a single attack from advanced armament Zoro can almost one shot Lucci.
Similarly, I think narratively we can argue that WSG was advanced conqueror's.
It's Luffy's last attack before he's out of gas, and in desperation. It makes sense he used his highest level haki with that attack as well. As for other attacks? IDK.
I don't even have an agenda against Kizaru though. I think Kizaru >= Luffy; both were not going all out and were doing some disgraceful mickey mouse stuff.
But Oda's portrayal is that the fight would be close, but Kizaru is a bit stronger, with the double KO while Kizaru got back up first.
I just don't buy that we can claim what type of haki is being used, from visuals alone.
100% confirmation at this point can only come from characters outright saying it.
Other than that, for me, narrative/logical argument makes more sense than arguments based on visuals.
For example, I think it's logical to assume Zoro's final attack on Lucci was advanced conqueror's - because Lucci was shown able to hold his own against even Zoro overusing advanced armament (smoke), it doesn't make sense that a single attack from advanced armament Zoro can almost one shot Lucci.
Similarly, I think narratively we can argue that WSG was advanced conqueror's.
It's Luffy's last attack before he's out of gas, and in desperation. It makes sense he used his highest level haki with that attack as well. As for other attacks? IDK.
