Powers & Abilities The Problem with saying Scabbards do not have Internal Destruction

[Charlotte Horchata]

So you actually think Kiku just plain broke through a defense that G4 Luffy found not.

okay. At least you’re honest

everyone else here doesn’t want to admit that technically Kiku can probably cut through any person right now since Kaido is the pinnacle of durability even seen and he ain’t shit apparently

Yes, Kiku has an ability that allows her to do something that Gear Fourth can't, and that in this context is particularly useful against the big bad. Doesn't give her more attack power as a whole nor overall strength above Luffy.

And Kiku can probably cut through any person right now, yes, since Kaido is arguably the hardest person in the world as of now (so it isn't such an achievement, in fact). She's one of the strongest samurais in a country specialized in advanced armament, a power that apparently allows you to surpass hard materials. But it won't matter if she can't cut deep enough nor have the strength to make any significant damage, which is the case with the Scabbards. They all can cut Kaido, but look at how useful that was.

 

[Haoshoku]

So you actually think Kiku just plain broke through a defense that G4 Luffy found not.

okay. At least you’re honest

everyone else here doesn’t want to admit that technically Kiku can probably cut through any person right now since Kaido is the pinnacle of durability even seen and he ain’t shit apparently

Well slicing attacks are > blunt physical blows when it comes to breaching Kaido’s durability as implied in chapter 1001. Though you need a certain level of flowing ryou to go along with that to actually breach Kaido’s durability, as demonstrated when the Scabbards jumped him.

But I don’t get what the confusion is, yes Kiku can cut anyone in the verse if given a clean hit. Thing is, no one in the verse has the confidence to bet on their durability to willingly give their opponents free hits like Kaido does. It’s that simple.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Doesn't give her more attack power as a whole

Well it’s higher DC

Remember She’s NOT BYPASSING Kaido, she’s breaking through him

This is how DC is measured. If someone can swing a wrecking ball with enough force to break a wall, then someone Fires a rifle shot that can pierce that same wall, they are BOTH the same DC. The little hole caused by the rifle and the big hole caused the wrecking ball are both WALL LEVEL DC because both overcame the durability of a wall.

So if Kiku is plain brute forcing her way through Kaido, she automatically has better DC the Luffy. She destroyed something G4 Luffy cannot.

this is all based on Kiku’s haki working in this specific way you suggested
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Well slicing attacks are > blunt physical blows when it comes to breaching Kaido’s durability as implied in chapter 1001.

@Haoshoku
What in 1001 implied this? Kid and killer specifically are surprised that ANY PHYSICAL FORCE can harm Kaido. Both Kid the blunt force guy and killer the blade user are surprised by this

What happened in 1001 to imply one is better than other?

 

[HA001]

Well slicing attacks are > blunt physical blows when it comes to breaching Kaido’s durability as implied in chapter 1001. Though you need a certain level of flowing ryou to go along with that to actually breach Kaido’s durability, as demonstrated when the Scabbards jumped him.

But I don’t get what the confusion is, yes Kiku can cut anyone in the verse if given a clean hit. Thing is, no one in the verse has the confidence to bet on their durability to willingly give their opponents free hits like Kaido does. It’s that simple.

No i dont think so. Before he knew the scabbards had ryou he outright told them their swords cant hurt him. Guillotines and other execution blades had no effect on him.

@ImmaIvanoM no scabbard or oden BYPASSED kaidos defence
They broke through it.

 

[Haoshoku]

No i dont think so. Before he knew the scabbards had ryou he outright told them their swords cant hurt him. Guillotines and other execution blades had no effect on him.

Nah I was saying slicing attacks with advanced CoA are more effective than blunt physical blows without advanced CoA pretty much.

 

[HA001]

Nah I was saying slicing attacks with advanced CoA are more effective than blunt physical blows without advanced CoA pretty much.

Oh. Yeah thats right. If they have relative power

 

[Kuruka]

Luffy punches with regular armament and Zoro cuts with regular armament.

Where is this line that Luffy can’t punch with internal destruction and Zoro can’t cut with internal destruction

it’s easy, what do you think Kiku is doing to hurt Kaido? Is Kiku actually breaking Kaido’s durability?

zoro was surprised about luffys haki. meaning he doesnt know it

 

[Haoshoku]

What in 1001 implied this? Kid and killer specifically are surprised that ANY PHYSICAL FORCE can harm Kaido. Both Kid the blunt force guy and killer the blade user are surprised by this

What happened in 1001 to imply one is better than other?

This was made pretty clear when Kid was bewildered by the fact that Luffy was able to hurt Kaido with a blunt physical blow, he didn’t say any physical force Ion know where you got that from. Case in point; the Scabbards/Zoro/Killer have been drawing blood on Kaido without using level 3 hardening, Kaido’s only scar is from a slicing attack that didn’t involve level 3 internal destruction. It’s clear as day that slicing is the most effective means of drawing blood besides level 3 koka.

So if Kiku is plain brute forcing her way through Kaido, she automatically has better DC the Luffy. She destroyed something G4 Luffy cannot.

Also this is simply incorrect. AP and durability don’t always go hand in hand. With Kaido, flowing haki (with the requisite AP of course) is what makes the difference and slicing attacks with enough power are the most effective to go long with that flowing haki to breach Kaido’s skin and draw blood. Kiku wasn’t the one pushing Kaido all around Kuri. Luffy’s AP output in G4 is greater than Kiku, just because he can’t draw blood =/ he has lower AP.

 

[WesMidnight]

Scratching =/= damaging if you can't overcome Kaido's zoan regen, overcoming his zoan scale defense isn't that useful.
Luffy's Red Rock did more damage to Kaido than group combined attacks from the scabbards.
You didn't see Kaido getting hallucinations of fucking Rocks after being slashed by the scabbards lol.

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Scratching =/= damaging if you can't overcome Kaido's zoan regen, overcoming his zoan scale defense isn't that useful.
Luffy's Red Rock did more damage to Kaido than group combined attacks from the scabbards.
You didn't see Kaido getting hallucinations of fucking Rocks after being slashed by the scabbards lol.

How exactly is Luffy overcoming this zoan regen or “scale defense”?
Kaido looks perfectly fine

 

[WesMidnight]

How exactly is Luffy overcoming this zoan regen or “scale defense”?

Overcoming scale defense means doing minor damage at least, i.e. scratching and either requires barrier haki or fruit hax (or Kid's ingenious method of crushing). G4 could not overcome scale defense despite having much higher AP than the scabbards.

Overcoming zoan regen is starting to do persisting damage, Red Rock did more persisting damage than the scabbard's work, and actually did some internal damage considering he was bleeding from the face and coughing up blood, rather than just temporarily opening an existing wound.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro/Killer have been drawing blood on Kaido

Zoro and killer do not draw blood from Kaido

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Overcoming scale defense means doing minor damage at least, i.e. scratching and either requires barrier haki or fruit hax (or Kid's ingenious method of crushing). G4 could not overcome scale defense despite having much higher AP than the scabbards.

Overcoming zoan regen is starting to do persisting damage, Red Rock did more persisting damage than the scabbard's work, and actually did some internal damage considering he was bleeding from the face and coughing up blood, rather than just temporarily opening an existing wound.

You’ve lost me lol how is opening a wound not considered “minor damage”?
Like for what reason would Red Roc damage last?? More than likely that injury won’t be mentioned again. As of now there’s nothing stopping his regen. Even the lasting damage that Inu and Neko did to Jack, Kaido knows Jack will heal from it given that they stop attacking him.

 

[stealthblack]

Scabbards have regular haku, not advanced

 

[WesMidnight]

You’ve lost me lol how is opening a wound not considered “minor damage”?
Like for what reason would Red Roc damage last?? More than likely that injury won’t be mentioned again. As of now there’s nothing stopping his regen. Even the lasting damage that Inu and Neko did to Jack, Kaido knows Jack will heal from it given that they stop attacking him.

Oda is inconsistent with damage but Kaido still had blood dried on his chin from Red Roc when he was calling them little monsters.
It probably did as much as Kaido's semi-dodged Raime Hakke.

Internal destruction is why Luffy is the one who will be beat Kaido, he is the only one to truly deal inroads of damage that is slower and harder to regen. No one else on the island (aside from the limited Gamma Knife) has internal destruction hax required to take down Kaido.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

How exactly is Luffy overcoming this zoan regen or “scale defense”?
Kaido looks perfectly fine

He overcame the scale defense, not the regen.

Kaido looks perfectly fine because his endurance isnt shit tier despite his durability being ignored lol
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Zoans can naturally take punishment, thats just how it is

 

[Fn Lucci]

You mean barriers? Okay how? Explain what exactly the barriers do to hurt Kaido. I can explain what internal destruction does. So explain how barriers hurt Kaido.
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@Fn Lucci
I don’t get how this answers how Kiku is hurting Kaido. Is she or is she not breaking Kaido’s durability?

Durability to blows isn't the same thing as durability to weapons.

 

[Haoshoku]

Zoro and killer do not draw blood from Kaido

They clearly drew blood as seen in this higher quality scan:

Spoiler

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Yeah but saying this is like saying that underneath Kaido. “Scale defensible” (I don’t even know what this is) that he’s just a regular man that can be damaged like normal just because someone has advanced armament. I don’t think this is the case but we still need to wait and see.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Or... O-Kiku strong! Fish Crydo become sushi in front of the might of O-Kiku!