Future Events The raid will FAIL + Tragedy

#21
I refuse to believe kaido was gonna brag about the Tobi Roppo for them to be taken down by the strawhats.
the tragedy is gonna be the strawhats getting washed, aside from Jinbe.

in general though I don't think Failure means complete defeat, it could be a change in scenery.
for example kaido reaching the shores of wano and unleashing his entire army all over wano forcing the alliance to follow them and fighting them all over wano as a failure to achieve the goals of the raid whithout being considered a defeat.
>i refuse to believe that group of secondary antagonists are going to be taken down by the protagonists
do you realize how dumb you sound
 
#23
I'm at a point where I am retracting on the raid will fail....

However, I do believe a tragedy will happen to end act 3... however, it will not be decisive enough to end the whole battle and make it fail...... it will be just a tragedy, but people will resume fighting in act 4
 
#24
so we spent more than 200 chapter and more than 5 years collecting allies just so when we get to the fight they Stand to the side holding their d!cks?
they're doing their part and all playing an active role you utter moron. Marco fighting King. Yamato already fought Ulti, knocked a number and will have her fight against either a calamity or/AND kaido. Kidd, Law and Killer are fighting against two emperors. minks weakened jack, main commander. Tama saved 2 straw hats and is playing an active role reversing the situation. Carrot and Wanda fighting Perospero. Drake knockeda number saved Chopper from Apoo. samurai fodders are fightings equally beast pirate fodders. Scabbards got their spotlight against Kaido but were deemed to lose due to it being a pirate manga.
because they collected allies that means straw hats *the heroes* should sit on the bench and fight gifters fodders while others are handing the big boys???
 
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#25
they're doing their part and all playing an active role you utter moron. Marco fighting King. Yamato already fought Ulti, knocked a number and will have her fight against either a calamity or/AND kaido. Kidd, Law and Killer are fighting against two emperors. minks weakened jack, main commander. Tama saved 2 straw hats and is playing an active role reversing the situation. Carrot and Wanda fighting Perospero. Drake knockeda number saved Chopper from Apoo. samurai fodders are fightings equally beast pirate fodders. Scabbards got their spotlight against Kaido but were deemed to lose due to it being a pirate manga.
because they collected allies that means straw hats *the heroes* should sit on the bench and fight gifters fodders while others are handing the big boys???
why not ? that's what they have been doing for the totality of the new world.
 
#27
The tradgedy was Oden's flashback. They arent going to fail, Kaido is already carrying Onishigama to the flower captial. If they fail those people die
Wrong. You sound like the people who said kaido didn’t have hybrid and Jack wasn’t gonna get up
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Actually I still believe the act is gonna end with a conquerer haki clash between luffy kidd big mom and kaido.

Act 3 ending in a tragedy is a lie. Act 3 has to just end in a dramatic moment and a conquerer haki clash is the perfect dramatic moment to end it and transition to what happened at the reverie.


If the raid fails then it will 100% end up being

King vs zoro
Queen vs sanji
Jack vs killer

Thats only if the raid fails
 
#28
I refuse to believe kaido was gonna brag about the Tobi Roppo for them to be taken down by the strawhats.
the tragedy is gonna be the strawhats getting washed, aside from Jinbe.

in general though I don't think Failure means complete defeat, it could be a change in scenery.
for example kaido reaching the shores of wano and unleashing his entire army all over wano forcing the alliance to follow them and fighting them all over wano as a failure to achieve the goals of the raid whithout being considered a defeat.
I like your insight. I am still doubtful that someone like franky will beat sasaki alone... nami with Zeus vs ulti can be argued maybe but frankly vs sasaki doesn’t sound right to me.
we already have robin and brook vs Black Maria so this should tell us something.

heck even sanji I still doubt he will defeat a calamity because you know jack beef with the minks... queen seems like drakes opponent while Apoo vs killer has way more beef and plot behind it.
I am thinking sanji will fight perospero and save the girls from him ...maybe carrot switches to ulti while nami fights gallete(WCI beef)

one thing I am very sure off is a lot of people here will get crazy salty and mad... I like having the last laugh ;)
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If the raid fails then it will 100% end up being

King vs zoro
Queen vs sanji
Jack vs killer

Thats only if the raid fails
No. King is for Marco, get over it dude.

Smoothie VS zoro
Perospero VS sanji
Queen vs Drake
Apoo vs Killer
 
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#29
How many of you actually still believe in this ? Because from what I can see almost everyone thinks that we are on the final battle against big mom and kaido which makes no sense if you bothered to read the manga.

anyways I already made a thread that show really solid evidences and hints that the current rooftop battle is nothing but a lure from oda ...long story short;

Kaido and big mom next time we see them will start an execution to massacre the 5 supernova...something similar to what happened at WCI before the tamatebako bombed

Big mom pirates led by smoothie will enter the war making thing even more overwhelming and overkill

The whole battle against the yonko will be restructured and redistributed

Garp will balance the sides in this battle...he fights big mom and she kills him (major death of this war)

Anyways I don’t want to continue with this if you want to read more and see the evidenceI presented you can check this thread:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/garp-the-balance-card.11478/

lastly I saw a video that Mr morj made which even strengthens my theory :

I can not wait to see my predictions all coming true ahahahaha...it’s going to be so good, the pop corn is already there I bought it ...just like zoro and sanji vs king and queen ...Marco will not come to wano and fight king ...:queenmoji:
People read too many blogs and youtube videos thinking that Act 3 had to end in a tragedy lol.
 
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#35
I am a full believer in that the Raid will fail. Still too many plotpoints and open questions that are left untouched.


-Kaido and Big Mom declaring that they want to gather the ancient weapons and capture Nico Robin (cuz why would oda add that as filler if just... nothing happens out of those things?

Is orochi dead?
is kanjuro dead?
How did Jinbei survive?
What did Kaido want to ask the scabbards?
whos whoswho?
Ame no Habakiri and Momo? Tengu said "you are not ready yet, momo"
what is kings race?
what is queens relation to judge?
when will hiyori come into play?
is toki dead and if not will she come up again?
what is up with kaido taking hostages?
where went kaido on an expedition 3 years ago?
whats with scotch and Kaidos favourite winter island?
Where is caribou?
Why can't Hitetsu go the Flower Capital?
What is the Kokeshi Doll room in Orochi's castle and why does Hitetsu collect them?
What's Onigashima's history? Is Oars linked to Onigashima ?
Why was Wano closed in the past?
Whats up with Zoros past? oda mentioned in an SBS he'll touch up on that.
What's Tama's Origin and what is her devil fruit called?
What is Yamatos devil fruit?
Where is Kaido from and what's his history with wanting to take over Wano, if any? Flashback?
where is Onimaru and/or what is his ability?
what did kanjuro do with yasuies corpse?
what was the shadow on onigashima? Who was the person on the ship next to marco (if not izo)?
whatsup with Black Marias devil fruit or body?
whats up with the numbers, what are the names of the remaining 5 Numbers and how do the last 6 look like and when do they come into play?
Where are big moms children at? Will they fight? Who will they fight?
Why is the island called onigashima now (Marco)?
Where is the Road Poneglyph?
The chances of a certain man surviving until tomorrow are 1% Who is meant?
Hawkins prediction of 19% until the end of the month?
Guardian Deity Lore? Wisdom King? Will we get more on that?
Black Maria Song. Is there a Lore behind it?
What does the Poneglyph on Onigashima state?
What does the Poenglyph on Wano state?
Who is Kurokama, where is Kurokama, will we ever get anything about Kurokama?
Why was Wano Kuni recognized as the Land of Gold?
Is there a reason why Wano people could read the Poneglyphs? and will we get more about how they "made" them and from what material they are made of?
What does the journal say?
What's up with the prophecy?
Who will be the future Shogun of Wano?
Who will join the Strawhats, if any?
When do we get more about the 5 big families in wano?
why did Oden mention Joyboy?
Who will fight who?
What is CP-0 going to do? What's the role the are playing?
The sword nidai kitetsu luffy had and zoro wanted to have, back in Act 1 is just "gone" now? Who has it? zoro wants it, so will he get it? where is the tengu to give it to him, if he has it, and does the tengu have a real identity?

Edit: i know some of those could be answerd within one chapter or two, but the sheer quantity of those is still staggering. Alone the fights will take up easily 40 more chapters and tieing in those questions and resolving those points can take up 30 more if not more.
 
#36
I am a full believer in that the Raid will fail. Still too many plotpoints and open questions that are left untouched.


-Kaido and Big Mom declaring that they want to gather the ancient weapons and capture Nico Robin (cuz why would oda add that as filler if just... nothing happens out of those things?

Is orochi dead?
is kanjuro dead?
How did Jinbei survive?
What did Kaido want to ask the scabbards?
whos whoswho?
Ame no Habakiri and Momo? Tengu said "you are not ready yet, momo"
what is kings race?
what is queens relation to judge?
when will hiyori come into play?
is toki dead and if not will she come up again?
what is up with kaido taking hostages?
where went kaido on an expedition 3 years ago?
whats with scotch and Kaidos favourite winter island?
Where is caribou?
Why can't Hitetsu go the Flower Capital?
What is the Kokeshi Doll room in Orochi's castle and why does Hitetsu collect them?
What's Onigashima's history? Is Oars linked to Onigashima ?
Why was Wano closed in the past?
Whats up with Zoros past? oda mentioned in an SBS he'll touch up on that.
What's Tama's Origin and what is her devil fruit called?
What is Yamatos devil fruit?
Where is Kaido from and what's his history with wanting to take over Wano, if any? Flashback?
where is Onimaru and/or what is his ability?
what did kanjuro do with yasuies corpse?
what was the shadow on onigashima? Who was the person on the ship next to marco (if not izo)?
whatsup with Black Marias devil fruit or body?
whats up with the numbers, what are the names of the remaining 5 Numbers and how do the last 6 look like and when do they come into play?
Where are big moms children at? Will they fight? Who will they fight?
Why is the island called onigashima now (Marco)?
Where is the Road Poneglyph?
The chances of a certain man surviving until tomorrow are 1% Who is meant?
Hawkins prediction of 19% until the end of the month?
Guardian Deity Lore? Wisdom King? Will we get more on that?
Black Maria Song. Is there a Lore behind it?
What does the Poneglyph on Onigashima state?
What does the Poenglyph on Wano state?
Who is Kurokama, where is Kurokama, will we ever get anything about Kurokama?
Why was Wano Kuni recognized as the Land of Gold?
Is there a reason why Wano people could read the Poneglyphs? and will we get more about how they "made" them and from what material they are made of?
What does the journal say?
What's up with the prophecy?
Who will be the future Shogun of Wano?
Who will join the Strawhats, if any?
When do we get more about the 5 big families in wano?
why did Oden mention Joyboy?
Who will fight who?
What is CP-0 going to do? What's the role the are playing?
The sword nidai kitetsu luffy had and zoro wanted to have, back in Act 1 is just "gone" now? Who has it? zoro wants it, so will he get it? where is the tengu to give it to him, if he has it, and does the tengu have a real identity?

Edit: i know some of those could be answerd within one chapter or two, but the sheer quantity of those is still staggering. Alone the fights will take up easily 40 more chapters and tieing in those questions and resolving those points can take up 30 more if not more.
to be honest with you your acting like most can’t be answered in a single panel.
 
#39
I am a full believer in that the Raid will fail. Still too many plotpoints and open questions that are left untouched.


-Kaido and Big Mom declaring that they want to gather the ancient weapons and capture Nico Robin (cuz why would oda add that as filler if just... nothing happens out of those things?

Is orochi dead?
is kanjuro dead?
How did Jinbei survive?
What did Kaido want to ask the scabbards?
whos whoswho?
Ame no Habakiri and Momo? Tengu said "you are not ready yet, momo"
what is kings race?
what is queens relation to judge?
when will hiyori come into play?
is toki dead and if not will she come up again?
what is up with kaido taking hostages?
where went kaido on an expedition 3 years ago?
whats with scotch and Kaidos favourite winter island?
Where is caribou?
Why can't Hitetsu go the Flower Capital?
What is the Kokeshi Doll room in Orochi's castle and why does Hitetsu collect them?
What's Onigashima's history? Is Oars linked to Onigashima ?
Why was Wano closed in the past?
Whats up with Zoros past? oda mentioned in an SBS he'll touch up on that.
What's Tama's Origin and what is her devil fruit called?
What is Yamatos devil fruit?
Where is Kaido from and what's his history with wanting to take over Wano, if any? Flashback?
where is Onimaru and/or what is his ability?
what did kanjuro do with yasuies corpse?
what was the shadow on onigashima? Who was the person on the ship next to marco (if not izo)?
whatsup with Black Marias devil fruit or body?
whats up with the numbers, what are the names of the remaining 5 Numbers and how do the last 6 look like and when do they come into play?
Where are big moms children at? Will they fight? Who will they fight?
Why is the island called onigashima now (Marco)?
Where is the Road Poneglyph?
The chances of a certain man surviving until tomorrow are 1% Who is meant?
Hawkins prediction of 19% until the end of the month?
Guardian Deity Lore? Wisdom King? Will we get more on that?
Black Maria Song. Is there a Lore behind it?
What does the Poneglyph on Onigashima state?
What does the Poenglyph on Wano state?
Who is Kurokama, where is Kurokama, will we ever get anything about Kurokama?
Why was Wano Kuni recognized as the Land of Gold?
Is there a reason why Wano people could read the Poneglyphs? and will we get more about how they "made" them and from what material they are made of?
What does the journal say?
What's up with the prophecy?
Who will be the future Shogun of Wano?
Who will join the Strawhats, if any?
When do we get more about the 5 big families in wano?
why did Oden mention Joyboy?
Who will fight who?
What is CP-0 going to do? What's the role the are playing?
The sword nidai kitetsu luffy had and zoro wanted to have, back in Act 1 is just "gone" now? Who has it? zoro wants it, so will he get it? where is the tengu to give it to him, if he has it, and does the tengu have a real identity?

Edit: i know some of those could be answerd within one chapter or two, but the sheer quantity of those is still staggering. Alone the fights will take up easily 40 more chapters and tieing in those questions and resolving those points can take up 30 more if not more.

I don't think the raid needs to fail exactly. Just the rooftop fight or a plot shift to mainland Wano. A lot of this can be achieved by abled strawhats during and after their fights or just post-battle (a lot of your questions actually seem to involve some of the villains like King's or Who's Who's identities, those would be answered mid fight I'm sure)

I'd say we are getting decently close to seeing if at least the rooftop fight fails. Oda started it early and focused on it for 3-4 chapters. He may spend another 2-3 chapters on it to show the Yonko winning before something big happens and the battle on the rooftop is postponed or is over, just a guess.

The other fights below though should still happen until they are done. Potentially the calamity fights last longer than usual though, I can see that. Zoro chased and fought Pica for like 15 chapters it was ridiculous lol.
 
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