Current Events The reason why this arc is a dirt in Oda's legacy (only one example amongst many).

#1
I wanted to make this thread because people seem to be very aggressive when I point out Oda's mistakes. I'll try to be as respectful towards Oda and fellow one piece fans as possible (unlike my usual speaking manners) and I'll ask you to be respectful towards me and stop calling me a "one piece/Oda hater". I'll use only one example to make this rather long topic as short as possible. Now let's get into it.

As an example I'll use the current plot of Luffy and others trying to get into the roof to help the scabbards. I'm pretty sure you all see the problem here, let me show you it first and then I'll explain it you.

Luffy can fly in gear 4th form and he's been using gear 4th rather often in Wano, Luffy also is extremely fast in his gear 4th mode.

Law can use chambers to teleport people into long distances which he already used once.

Marco can fly and already used that ability very efficiently.

Sanji can fly in his raid suit and he's extremely fast (just like Luffy) and possibly the fastest character in Wano right now, who knows.

Now I know what you all are going to say.
"B-but King is protecting the entrance with flying beast pirates" or "but Marco and Law are busy right now, stop complaining". ok, let me address this things first.


Now I'm not saying that Law or Marco should necessarily help, maybe they're really busy off screen and doing something important (I doubt it though), or maybe Oda is preparing some plot twist with them, I don't know. I'm not talking about specific ability here, what I'm talking about, is that getting into the roof to the scabbards is quite easy. Luffy even dosen't need to get through king in order to reach to the roof, since he can get there by making his own root there. I'm pretty sure Luffy can break through the sealing of the roof and bypass king since king is protecting the hole in the roof. Luffy also is quite fast which makes it even more easier, on top of that Sanji can help him with his raid suit if necessary.

For me as a reader, to enjoy this arc I need to forget that there are characters with abilities that allow them to bypass king and get to the roof very easily, especially with Law's ability. There are also a lot of characters that can distract King.

As you can see the plot has no logic in it, there isn't any grand obstacle in front of the MCs, the problem is manufactured and isn't real. But why so? Well, the answer is quite easy: because Oda is trying to squeeze much longer plot into 10 chapters long plot in order to have a specific scene in chapter 1000th. Oda dosen't pay attention to current plot, instead, he focuses only on chapter 1000th. This is just simple example of what has been happening in Wano and post-timskip overall.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that pre-timskip was perfect, of course not. There's nothing perfect and one piece wasn't an exception, but in post-timskip Oda sacrifices a lot things for specific scene, Oda did it with Big Mom many times.

If Oda instead focused on current chapters we would have a very good chapters every day. Now ask yourself, why haven't we seen characters like Law and Marco so far?
 
#3
I wanted to make this thread because people seem to be very aggressive when I point out Oda's mistakes. I'll try to be as respectful towards Oda and fellow one piece fans as possible (unlike my usual speaking manners) and I'll ask you to be respectful towards me and stop calling me a "one piece/Oda hater". I'll use only one example to make this rather long topic as short as possible. Now let's get into it.

As an example I'll use the current plot of Luffy and others trying to get into the roof to help the scabbards. I'm pretty sure you all see the problem here, let me show you it first and then I'll explain it you.

Luffy can fly in gear 4th form and he's been using gear 4th rather often in Wano, Luffy also is extremely fast in his gear 4th mode.

Law can use chambers to teleport people into long distances which he already used once.

Marco can fly and already used that ability very efficiently.

Sanji can fly in his raid suit and he's extremely fast (just like Luffy) and possibly the fastest character in Wano right now, who knows.

Now I know what you all are going to say.
"B-but King is protecting the entrance with flying beast pirates" or "but Marco and Law are busy right now, stop complaining". ok, let me address this things first.


Now I'm not saying that Law or Marco should necessarily help, maybe they're really busy off screen and doing something important (I doubt it though), or maybe Oda is preparing some plot twist with them, I don't know. I'm not talking about specific ability here, what I'm talking about, is that getting into the roof to the scabbards is quite easy. Luffy even dosen't need to get through king in order to reach to the roof, since he can get there by making his own root there. I'm pretty sure Luffy can break through the sealing of the roof and bypass king since king is protecting the hole in the roof. Luffy also is quite fast which makes it even more easier, on top of that Sanji can help him with his raid suit if necessary.

For me as a reader, to enjoy this arc I need to forget that there are characters with abilities that allow them to bypass king and get to the roof very easily, especially with Law's ability. There are also a lot of characters that can distract King.

As you can see the plot has no logic in it, there isn't any grand obstacle in front of the MCs, the problem is manufactured and isn't real. But why so? Well, the answer is quite easy: because Oda is trying to squeeze much longer plot into 10 chapters long plot in order to have a specific scene in chapter 1000th. Oda dosen't pay attention to current plot, instead, he focuses only on chapter 1000th. This is just simple example of what has been happening in Wano and post-timskip overall.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that pre-timskip was perfect, of course not. There's nothing perfect and one piece wasn't an exception, but in post-timskip Oda sacrifices a lot things for specific scene, Oda did it with Big Mom many times.

If Oda instead focused on current chapters we would have a very good chapters every day. Now ask yourself, why haven't we seen characters like Law and Marco so far?
The point I bolded is exactly why I don't take posts like this seriously. You are trying to apply your own logic to an author's writing. "Its quite easy" you say, as if your logic somehow the only right way to go about things this arc. Why doesn't Luffy just fly up there with Sanji? Because Oda literally explained that King is blocking the sky, end of story. When they encounter King again, someone will assist in keeping King at bay.

"Oda's trying to extend the Kaido plot to chapter 1000, he cares about nothing else". How about, Oda needs to address the Scabbard vendetta against Kaido first since is a 350 chapter plotline? How about the fact that there are 60 character perspectives to deal with this arc?

On second thought forget it, lets just ruin that and toss it off a bridge. Fuck it, let Luffy break through the roof with Law, cancel the scabbard battle. Lets apparently "focus on the current chapters" (what does this even mean?) instead of a plotline that has been built since Punk Hazard. Lets have Kaido and Big Mom kill everyone because apparently "battle logic" dictates that both Yonko should just kill everyone immediately and the manga should end.
 
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Fallen Prince

#7
Recent chapters is not well executed fight it does seem oda is in uige rush to finish deadline portion tha completely developing character .


Old oda would have disliked the new way of pattern adopted .
 
#9
And how exactly does it not make sense for the guy who is infamous for getting lost and wandering off on his own, to get lost and wander off on his own? :sus:
That why it doesn't make sense lol. Wasn't he supposed to be indoor doing indoor training since the alliance want to keep secrecy the most. Why allowed a directional idiot alone causing trouble when preparing for war. You just let a ticking time bomb alone why does it make sense
 
#11
That why it doesn't make sense lol. Wasn't he supposed to be indoor doing indoor training since the alliance want to keep secrecy the most. Why allowed a directional idiot alone causing trouble when preparing for war. You just let a ticking time bomb alone why does it make sense
??? Zoro has always been a contradiction. He tells Luffy to not do something, then he does it himself. Literally read Chapter 909, it entirely set the precedent of Zoro NOT being discreet at all this arc. He mocked Luffy for causing a scene at Onigashima, right after slicing a fucking building in half and Kid/Killer WTF'ing both of them because of how dumb they are.

There is a scene where Jinbe let Luffy and Zoro go off on their own at Onigashima, and the rest of the crew reacted negatively to Jinbe due to his naivetes about those 2. This has never changed. Oda's characterization of his main characters has been one of the most consistent things in this series, to the point where people get pissed he doesn't make them "truly" change as characters, even after the timeskip.
 
#12
Yeah but its not as if Luffy is actually struggling to reach the top. He didn't go G4 immediately for obvious reasons. The main fight is kaido and he doesn't want to waste too much energy when he doesn't need to. If not for queen, Luffy would have reached the top just fine, but luffy was being careless, as he usually is, and he got knocked down.

The reason why these chapters are dragging on is mainly because Oda is focusing on other subplots apart from Luffy, such as drake or the scabbards.
 
#13
Do you it happening in few minutes....the only easy way to go on top is by using Law's power.
Bound man absorb lots of haki , which Luffy wants to save. And you are underestimating King's flying ability lol....dude is a living fighter jet
 
#15
Oda is telling a story for which he has a careful plot planned then of course the more crazy powers he introduces in the story the more are the valid alternatives somebody can come up with to the plot he chooses, to be honest I find right that Luffy and co simply can not go to Kaido like that, what I find more difficult to accept is how the mama chanter and all the people with their df on it got memed not once but twice in the same exact manner. That doesn't make much logic but on the other hand it is quite funny.

Anyway Oda at this point is making the scabbards shine for a bit then Kaido burns them out and at that point Luffy is ready to come in along with Law and Kidd.
 
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#16
Do you it happening in few minutes....the only easy way to go on top is by using Law's power.
Bound man absorb lots of haki , which Luffy wants to save. And you are underestimating King's flying ability lol....dude is a living fighter jet
At this point i would laugh at any idea of Luffy wanting to save Haki by not using G4 :seriously:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#18
Yeah but its not as if Luffy is actually struggling to reach the top. He didn't go G4 immediately for obvious reasons. The main fight is kaido and he doesn't want to waste too much energy when he doesn't need to. If not for queen, Luffy would have reached the top just fine, but luffy was being careless, as he usually is, and he got knocked down.

The reason why these chapters are dragging on is mainly because Oda is focusing on other subplots apart from Luffy, such as drake or the scabbards.
Do you it happening in few minutes....the only easy way to go on top is by using Law's power.
Bound man absorb lots of haki , which Luffy wants to save. And you are underestimating King's flying ability lol....dude is a living fighter jet
Yall realised hes used g4 for a ship and a number and used haki against ulti and page one. This would be a valid reason if he was going around like zoro not using haki.
 
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