It`s a great theory, but it have some flaws in it.
Red line could be refered as a giant snake in norse mythology, but you also talk about a philipines giant snake.
Eating moons, muliple moons connections to it all??
Think about the hole in the red line where fishman island are, how the Eve tree comes down with the sunlight.
We can speculate and theories about the red line forever until Oda comes with a big revelation.
A more reasonable is that the red line was created, perhaps with a devil fruit, Terra Terra no mi.
It`s a great theory, but it have some flaws in it.
Red line could be refered as a giant snake in norse mythology, but you also talk about a philipines giant snake.
Eating moons, muliple moons connections to it all??
Think about the hole in the red line where fishman island are, how the Eve tree comes down with the sunlight.
We can speculate and theories about the red line forever until Oda comes with a big revelation.
A more reasonable is that the red line was created, perhaps with a devil fruit, Terra Terra no mi.
Yeah, although I love this theory, it's almost confirmed to be wrong because I found that Nami directly said that the Red Line is a group of islands due to which it has a different climate in different places.
Yeah, although I love this theory, it's almost confirmed to be wrong because I found that Nami directly said that the Red Line is a group of islands due to which it has a different climate in different places.
It`s not too farfetched, Terra Terra no mi could even raise earth up from the core of a planet create its own unique magnetic field and climate could occur due to One Piece fantasy or science.
It`s not too farfetched, Terra Terra no mi could even raise earth up from the core of a planet create its own unique magnetic field and climate could occur due to One Piece fantasy or science.
The last part of the theory is interesting for me.
I overall see a possibly hint with King and Queen too but I didn´t think that Imu could be a member of the Sun clan/shandoras.
I though Joyboy could be connected to Sun God Nika, not Imu.
This could be a similar scenario like Hashirama and Madara(from Naruto), both friends who fight in the end to each other because of two different ideologies between two characters. Let say Imu and Joyboy are similar, the difference here is that it was Imu who won the war not Joyboy.
Red line could be refered as a giant snake in norse mythology, but you also talk about a philipines giant snake.
Eating moons, muliple moons connections to it all??
We should look it in different perspective, Oda is someone who took details/reference from many mythology and add it to one part.
In this case this could be the same, where he use the norse mythology and philipines mythology and connected to each other.^^
Think about the hole in the red line where fishman island are, how the Eve tree comes down with the sunlight.
We can speculate and theories about the red line forever until Oda comes with a big revelation.
Actually a great point, but what if the Eve tree is a reason why the serpent is still sleeping?
Like he get pierced in the past and duo that the serpent can´t move or staying in sleep?
Yeah, although I love this theory, it's almost confirmed to be wrong because I found that Nami directly said that the Red Line is a group of islands due to which it has a different climate in different places.
How you mean that bro?
It look like a full continent too me, at it make sense that the climate is different because how large it is and cover the whole planet.
I think the Redline its more like a Symbol and not an actual Snake. When the Serpent stops biting its own Tail, Ragnarok (Dawn of the Gods) starts. I think it means: When the Redline gets destroyed, the Dawn will come.
We should look it in different perspective, Oda is someone who took details/reference from many mythology and add it to one part.
In this case this could be the same, where he use the norse mythology and philipines mythology and connected to each other.^^
As you say there are more perspectives from different people and in one piece the different races that would see the red line in their own unique way. The Giants would see it as a giant snake while other could see somethng else. How Oda himself see this is another story.
Actually a great point, but what if the Eve tree is a reason why the serpent is still sleeping?
Like he get pierced in the past and duo that the serpent can´t move or staying in sleep?
How you mean that bro?
It look like a full continent too me, at it make sense that the climate is different because how large it is and cover the whole planet.
Tbh, I'm not sure about this one. I mean, we talk about a world-wide organisation consistently trying to hide the true history; and if said history is truly related to the serpent and the Redline, they'd try their best to hide this fact. Thus, Nami might spread the WG's propaganda here without knowing.
It`s a great theory, but it have some flaws in it.
Red line could be refered as a giant snake in norse mythology, but you also talk about a philipines giant snake.
Eating moons, muliple moons connections to it all??
Think about the hole in the red line where fishman island are, how the Eve tree comes down with the sunlight.
We can speculate and theories about the red line forever until Oda comes with a big revelation.
A more reasonable is that the red line was created, perhaps with a devil fruit, Terra Terra no mi.
I believe those massive hints with serpents/birds ain't a coincidence but the Redline being made by the Terra Terra no mi ain't bad either.
Of course I'd love the thought of a moon eating serpent way more. I mean, that's actually crazy lol.
There is another interesting Bird. Roc, from the arabic Mythology. Its a Giant Bird, that eats Elephants. It could have something to do with Zunesha.
I think there is much that could be a Symbol from nothern Mythology. Here is a List of Ideas I had. But its not a Theory, because some Parts could be a bit to far fetched.
Dawn – Dawn of the Gods (Ragnarok)
Gods vs. Giants – Celestial Dragons vs. Pirates
Yggdrasil – Suntree, Jeweltree, Giant Jack, Tree of Knowledge
Giants, Firegiants – Giants, antic Giants
Pluton - Naglfar
Naglfar (Ship out of Nails) - Vivre Card (Nails are a Part of it)
Tontatta - Dwarfs
Dragons Tattoo - Ingwaz Rune (Freyr)
Blackbeard – Fenrir (Cerberus)
Shanks – Tyr
Midgardserpent – Redline
Yggrdrasil - Tree, that reaches the 9 Worlds.
Treetop
Asgard - Celestial Dragons (Top of the Suntree Eve)
Vanaheim – Lunarian
They are the old Gods
Alfheim – Skypeople (Top of the Giant Jack)
Elves that are considered as “Guardian Angels”
Treetrunk
Midgard – Humans (Library in the Treetrunk of the Tree of Knowledge)
Jotunheim – Giants (Giant Treetrunk is on Elban)
Muspelheim – Antic Giants
Not sure because there is no Fire and it’s the Lands of Fire and Firegiants
Roots
Nilfheim – Fishmen (Roots of the Suntree Eve)
It’s the Land of Ice and Mist. But its also the source of all Rivers. And the bottom of the Sea is cold and dark like Nilfheim.
Svartalsheim – Tontatta (under the Roots of Green Bit)
The Dwarf made the String that’s bind Fenrir. Leo can bind People with strings.
Helheim – Onis (Maybe at the Roots of the Adam Tree)
The Fishmen-, Tontatta- and Oni-Princess where imprisoned. Seems like, they could have something more in Common.
There is another interesting Bird. Roc, from the arabic Mythology. Its a Giant Bird, that eats Elephants. It could have something to do with Zunesha.
I think there is much that could be a Symbol from nothern Mythology. Here is a List of Ideas I had. But its not a Theory, because some Parts could be a bit to far fetched.
Dawn – Dawn of the Gods (Ragnarok)
Gods vs. Giants – Celestial Dragons vs. Pirates
Yggdrasil – Suntree, Jeweltree, Giant Jack, Tree of Knowledge
Giants, Firegiants – Giants, antic Giants
Pluton - Naglfar
Naglfar (Ship out of Nails) - Vivre Card (Nails are a Part of it)
Tontatta - Dwarfs
Dragons Tattoo - Ingwaz Rune (Freyr)
Blackbeard – Fenrir (Cerberus)
Shanks – Tyr
Midgardserpent – Redline
Yggrdrasil - Tree, that reaches the 9 Worlds.
Treetop
Asgard - Celestial Dragons (Top of the Suntree Eve)
Vanaheim – Lunarian
They are the old Gods
Alfheim – Skypeople (Top of the Giant Jack)
Elves that are considered as “Guardian Angels”
Treetrunk
Midgard – Humans (Library in the Treetrunk of the Tree of Knowledge)
Jotunheim – Giants (Giant Treetrunk is on Elban)
Muspelheim – Antic Giants
Not sure because there is no Fire and it’s the Lands of Fire and Firegiants
Roots
Nilfheim – Fishmen (Roots of the Suntree Eve)
It’s the Land of Ice and Mist. But its also the source of all Rivers. And the bottom of the Sea is cold and dark like Nilfheim.
Svartalsheim – Tontatta (under the Roots of Green Bit)
The Dwarf made the String that’s bind Fenrir. Leo can bind People with strings.
Helheim – Onis (Maybe at the Roots of the Adam Tree)
The Fishmen-, Tontatta- and Oni-Princess where imprisoned. Seems like, they could have something more in Common.
All of these theories regarding hidden references to a multitude of beliefs, history, people, locations- just reminds me that while Oda has some tropes I don't care for, he is an extremely intelligent, dilligent and hard working/researching man. I can't even imagine attempting for 1 year to do the writing, drawing and doing research he has done for 20+ years.
Great write up, too. Lots of great clues :] I'm happy the community has people such as yourself that are well versed on topics such as this because it all flies over my head. If you ever need a guide on speed running Resident Evil Remake, I'm your guy!
Great write up, too. Lots of great clues :] I'm happy the community has people such as yourself that are well versed on topics such as this because it all flies over my head. If you ever need a guide on speed running Resident Evil Remake, I'm your guy!
Threads like this, I love them at most, discussion about theories and such stuff like endgame content, @Zujuki put great work with all the references. @Paperchampion23 ,@Tejas , @Hanzo hattori , @MonsterKaido and @Bounty you guys though about this content?
Threads like this, I love them at most, discussion about theories and such stuff like endgame content, @Zujuki put great work with all the references. @Paperchampion23 ,@Tejas , @Hanzo hattori , @MonsterKaido and @Bounty you guys though about this content?
They are some things that are more speculative than the Rest, because we don`t know much about it.
The Norns. They are responsible for shaping the course of human destiny. And they represent the past, the present and the future. I think the tree-eyed-tribe could be based on them. They can hear the Voice of all things and can read the true History on the Porneglyphs. Pudding can manipulate Memories. But its just the Past now, so I`m not sure with this.
The Bridge Tequila Wolf could be the Rainbow Bridge (Bifröst) thats between Asgard and Midgard. Maybe Tequila Wolf starts somewhere on the Redline and should go from Island to Island.
Freyr - Sun
Freya - Moon
Another interesting thing is the Connection between Fishmen, Onis and Tontatta (the Underworld).
Nami is similar to Shirahoshi and was compared to Mermaids.
Nami is the opposite of Yamato (like I explained in my Topic)
Shirahoshi is the opposite of Moncherry (biggest and smallest Princess)
All of them where imprisoned in different ways. But Vivi and Rebecca aren`t Part of that because they weren`t imprisoned. Rebecca lived under Doflamingos regime, but hasn`t much to do with him directly. They tried to sneak into the evil organisations and tried to fight. Yamato fought to but she was bind to Kaido and less free than Rebecca and Vivi. Hiyori is more similar to Vivi and Rebecca than Yamato.
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Freya represents the Moon, Freyr the Sun. They loved each other, but since Freya went to rhe Asen they coudln't anymore. Freya wears a Feathercloak like Kaguya. There we have Kaguya and the Emperor. They coudln't came together because Kaguya went to the Moon.
Seems like their is a Connection between Im and Dragon. I thought about Im and Joyboy forst but this makessense too.
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The first war in the nothern mythology was the wanenwar. Short version: Gullveig from the Wanen (a Seer) came to the Asen. The Asen became greedily and wanted to know the Origin of Wealth. Gullveig didn't tell them so the Asen tortured her. The Wanen became angry and wanted that the Asen gives some Wealth to the Wanen as a Tribut. Then Odin starts the War. It was undecided and ended in Peace. Each Site got hostages. The Asen got the Siblings Freyr and Freya.
What if Freya is Im? There was a Kingdom full of Power and Wealth. The other Kingdoms became greedily and with all their Power combined they won. Maybe the forgotten Kingdom ruled over the other Kingdoms and all the other Kingdoms rules more or less. Maybe Im went to Marie Joa to guarantee Peace. And the Power of the forgotten Kingdom stays hidden so that no Kingdom can rule over anyone.
Freya and Kaguya wears a Feathercloak. Freya coudln't stay with Frey Kaguya not with the Emperor. The Emperor and the Kingdom are forgotten. Freyr not. Maybe he is Joyboy and Joyboy is the Emperor. And he is Dragon too.
This Story is why Blackbeard and Xebec are the true Enemies. Because they want the Power of the ancient Kingdom. The Power to rule the World. That Power is dangerous for the World Government. Because the Kings are greedy. Everyone would want the Power for himself.
Thats why Blackbeard, Kaido and Big Mom aren't worthy for becoming the Pirate King. Roger waits for someone who don't want to conquer anything. Blackbeard, Kaido and Big Mom missinterprets it and thinks the Pirate King is worthy to rule the World. You can rule the World with the Power of the ancient Kingdom. But only someone who don't want Power for himself is truly worthy for the One Piece.
Im rules the World like a God who controls everything. The Ds don`t want to control everything. The forgotten Kingdom was powerful, but they didn`t use that Power for themself. Luffy is a good example of that. He is the Leader of his Crew, but he don`t try to control them. Every Crewmate has his own Dreams. Im and the Celestial Dragons tries to hold the World together with total Control. Thats why they are the Enemies of the Ds. Because they have anoher Idea of ruling. Ruling without controlling everything like a God.
They are some things that are more speculative than the Rest, because we don`t know much about it.
The Norns. They are responsible for shaping the course of human destiny. And they represent the past, the present and the future. I think the tree-eyed-tribe could be based on them. They can hear the Voice of all things and can read the true History on the Porneglyphs. Pudding can manipulate Memories. But its just the Past now, so I`m not sure with this.
The Bridge Tequila Wolf could be the Rainbow Bridge (Bifröst) thats between Asgard and Midgard. Maybe Tequila Wolf starts somewhere on the Redline and should go from Island to Island.
Freyr - Sun
Freya - Moon
Another interesting thing is the Connection between Fishmen, Onis and Tontatta (the Underworld).
Nami is similar to Shirahoshi and was compared to Mermaids.
Nami is the opposite of Yamato (like I explained in my Topic)
Shirahoshi is the opposite of Moncherry (biggest and smallest Princess)
All of them where imprisoned in different ways. But Vivi and Rebecca aren`t Part of that because they weren`t imprisoned. Rebecca lived under Doflamingos regime, but hasn`t much to do with him directly. They tried to sneak into the evil organisations and tried to fight. Yamato fought to but she was bind to Kaido and less free than Rebecca and Vivi. Hiyori is more similar to Vivi and Rebecca than Yamato.
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Freya represents the Moon, Freyr the Sun. They loved each other, but since Freya went to rhe Asen they coudln't anymore. Freya wears a Feathercloak like Kaguya. There we have Kaguya and the Emperor. They coudln't came together because Kaguya went to the Moon.
Seems like their is a Connection between Im and Dragon. I thought about Im and Joyboy forst but this makessense too.
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The first war in the nothern mythology was the wanenwar. Short version: Gullveig from the Wanen (a Seer) came to the Asen. The Asen became greedily and wanted to know the Origin of Wealth. Gullveig didn't tell them so the Asen tortured her. The Wanen became angry and wanted that the Asen gives some Wealth to the Wanen as a Tribut. Then Odin starts the War. It was undecided and ended in Peace. Each Site got hostages. The Asen got the Siblings Freyr and Freya.
What if Freya is Im? There was a Kingdom full of Power and Wealth. The other Kingdoms became greedily and with all their Power combined they won. Maybe the forgotten Kingdom ruled over the other Kingdoms and all the other Kingdoms rules more or less. Maybe Im went to Marie Joa to guarantee Peace. And the Power of the forgotten Kingdom stays hidden so that no Kingdom can rule over anyone.
Freya and Kaguya wears a Feathercloak. Freya coudln't stay with Frey Kaguya not with the Emperor. The Emperor and the Kingdom are forgotten. Freyr not. Maybe he is Joyboy and Joyboy is the Emperor. And he is Dragon too.
This Story is why Blackbeard and Xebec are the true Enemies. Because they want the Power of the ancient Kingdom. The Power to rule the World. That Power is dangerous for the World Government. Because the Kings are greedy. Everyone would want the Power for himself.
Thats why Blackbeard, Kaido and Big Mom aren't worthy for becoming the Pirate King. Roger waits for someone who don't want to conquer anything. Blackbeard, Kaido and Big Mom missinterprets it and thinks the Pirate King is worthy to rule the World. You can rule the World with the Power of the ancient Kingdom. But only someone who don't want Power for himself is truly worthy for the One Piece.
Im rules the World like a God who controls everything. The Ds don`t want to control everything. The forgotten Kingdom was powerful, but they didn`t use that Power for themself. Luffy is a good example of that. He is the Leader of his Crew, but he don`t try to control them. Every Crewmate has his own Dreams. Im and the Celestial Dragons tries to hold the World together with total Control. Thats why they are the Enemies of the Ds. Because they have anoher Idea of ruling. Ruling without controlling everything like a God.
what I’m also curious is Monet’s words before her supposed death. “Young Master, you are the man, who will be… the Pirate King!”
IIRC among other Donquixote Family, Monet was the only one who thought about Doflamingo being a Pirate King. Does Monet’s words mean something? What do you think about her last words?
@JoSeungHun7335
I think Doflamingo wanted to rule the World. And when the One Piece gives the Power to do that, than he has to become the Pirate King. But he wants it for himself. Like Kaido, Blackbeard and Big Mom. Luffy and Roger don`t really want that Power. They would use it not more than for Freedom.
I don`t know why Monet is the only one who said that. Maybe its coincidence.
The great serpent was defeated by someone with the awakened power to control earth. The serpent is INSIDE the grand line, which was the accumulation of nearly all earth in one piece to hold back the serpent, at the sime time pierced with the eve tree.
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