General & Others The Ruination of a character #2 - Zoro: the Edgelord, the One Trick Pony and the Soulless one

Was Zoro more enjoyable character Pre or Post Time Skip?

  • Pre Time Skip

    Votes: 45 44.6%
  • Post Time Skip

    Votes: 7 6.9%
  • Same to me

    Votes: 43 42.6%
  • Hurry up with Luffy thread

    Votes: 18 17.8%

  • Total voters
    101
#43
Interacting isnt just talking that absolutely is an interaction. I love how you try run like a rat when youre about to get bodied.
interact
/ɪntərˈakt/
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verb

  1. act in such a way as to have an effect on each other.
    "all the stages in the process interact"

    • communicate or be involved directly.


Is Chopper being on Zoro's shoulder taking an effect on him. Is he communicating with ?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#44
interact
/ɪntərˈakt/
Learn to pronounce

verb

  1. act in such a way as to have an effect on each other.
    "all the stages in the process interact"
    • communicate or be involved directly.


Is Chopper being on Zoro's shoulder taking an effect on him. Is he communicating with ?
OR TO BE INVOLVED DIRECTLY.


Is chopper directly involved with zoro by being on him YES HE FUCKING IS
Eat shit you got bodied once again.
 
#46
interact
/ɪntərˈakt/
Learn to pronounce

verb

  1. act in such a way as to have an effect on each other.
    "all the stages in the process interact"
    • communicate or be involved directly.


Is Chopper being on Zoro's shoulder taking an effect on him. Is he communicating with ?
It's an interaction regardless, Chopper being on Zoro's shoulders shows the trust & bond they have so most definitely its an interaction if Zoro was just standing next to Chopper I'd agree with you but this is definitely an interaction and was 1 I was going to give you
 
#48
OR TO BE INVOLVED DIRECTLY.


Is chopper directly involved with zoro by being on him YES HE FUCKING IS
Eat shit you got bodied once again.
It's an interaction regardless, Chopper being on Zoro's shoulders shows the trust & bond they have so most definitely its an interaction if Zoro was just standing next to Chopper I'd agree with you but this is definitely an interaction and was 1 I was going to give you

Yikes fine. Use it lol.

Im still waiting for the other 9
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I just wanna point out no one voted that post TS Zoro is better.
Because Zoro fans wouldnt dare shit on Pre Timeskip Zoro, and other people know Post Timeskip Zoro is bad.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
#49
Because Zoro fans wouldnt dare shit on Pre Timeskip Zoro, and other people know Post Timeskip Zoro is bad.
Pre TS is just way superior to post TS
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The popular trope term you're looking for here is 'flanderization.' All the straw-hats have been 'flanderized' to a certain extent, up to, and including Luffy, sadly. It's the nature of such a sprawling plot and Oda's stubborn insistence on bringing in and focusing heavily on arc-specific characters every island instead of just further developing the characters he already has. Honestly the worst thing about One Piece for me. Giving panel time to people like Sugar at the cost of moving the plot, logically removes panel time from somebody else, probably a Straw Hat or other strong supporting character.
Yes. Pre Time Skip was so good because Oda focused more on main crew while keeping side characters what they are - side characters.

Post TS he wants to make side characters as main. Like does anyone give a shit about Rebbeca?
 
#56
I am ready to be brigaded


The Edgelord

If you would remember Zoro Pre Time Skip he was still a hard ass like he is today but he had a distinctive side to him. From jumping of a rope like Tarzan in Skypeia, mistaking Kaku for Usopp, scolding Nami for being late only to thank her for bringing booze, teasing Sanji and being teased back without wanting to murder him for it... and many more cases. Now let's compare him to Zoro post TS. Post TS Zoro is one of the edgiest characters I have ever seen. This dude barely fucking smiles and when he does it is either A) He gets to cut something and B) He got a new sword. You will very rarely find scenes of Zoro just having a proper laugh. From the top of my head those would be in Dressrosa with Pica or drinking with Law, and I think he laughed in Zou a bit. I am sure someone will find 1 or 2 instances more but compared to all scenes pre TS of him laughing it is very low amount. Everything you can count on fingers of 1 or 2 hands is small amount. Zoro now only laughs when gets the chance to fight someone or cut them. That is some next level borderline Emo stuff. Why did Zoro need to be made into such an Edgelord? Why make him this rabid dog that only laughs when he has something to cut? Why cant he take a joke without wanting to kill the person saying it? Zoro needs to chill out a bit and stop being this guy that craves cutting shit. Let him have a laugh here and there. Zoro lost his flavor, he lost emotions he had. He rarely cries, rarely smiles, rarely feels sad and so on. And once again I am sure some of you will come in here showing me panel or two of this not being the case. But like I said earlier, it is such a low amount compared to pre TS. I believe Oda made Zoro so edgy to attract edgy teen kids that like characters like that. Just a 1 emotion man wanting to cut shit. This brings us to the next point.


The One Trick Pony

Quickly - Besides Zoro cutting stuff what else does he do in the crew?

The answer is nothing; I suppose he has a role Vice Captain but Zoro only acted few times as such. In Punk Hazard he told Luffy to get serious considering the stakes and Luffy through New World has been nothing but selfish and reckless. Zoro as Vice Captain should reel Luffy in and keep him at check and not make him to dumb stuff that put the crew in jeopardy. Zoro does bare minimum to keep Luffy in check. Hell even few chapters ago he warned Luffy to get serious after Luffy got a fireball in his face and what does Luffy do? Goes G4 super early and wastes his Haki and now Zoro has to baby sit him. In Dressrosa he did lead people to try and stall the birdcage and to that I give him props. In Zou he did voice his opinion how Sanji should be left which to me was the most ridiculous thing he did post TS. Sanji's situation was nothing more than Robin 2.0 and Zoro had no objections going to E. Lobby to save her. Meanwhile he suddenly has problems saving Sanji under the premise that Luffy will pick a fight with Big Mom - But Luffy already picked a fight with Big Mom and Zoro was there when Luffy declared war to her. Zoro was in no position to be against getting back Sanji considering he stuck his head for any crew member. and Zoro knows Luffy well enough to know Luffy won't stay calm until Sanji is with them. To me that whole scene was just yikes. So with Zoro's Vice Captain position being pretty much empty shell considering he does bare minimum about it we are left with an question what does Zoro do in the crew? Sanji cooks, Nami navigates, Robin studies, Choper cures and so on. What does Zoro do? He fights people, that is legit 99% of things Zoro does post TS. He was degraded to Luffy's dog on a leash and when its needed Luffy just goes - GO SICK EM BOY, GO GO. Now I already know what you guys will say - But Beky Zoro did that before Time Skip too. And yes, you would be right - the difference is that Pre Time Skip Zoro had other stuff going for him besides that. Pre Time Skip whenever the crew visited a new island the main question would be - I wonder what every person in the crew will do? Post TS the only question being asked about Zoro is - Who will Zoro fight? If you think I am wrong, just check all Zoro threads here. Now, I understand his ambition is to be WSS but does he really have nothing else going on in his life besides that? If that is enough for you to like Zoro i seriously wish you all the best and enjoy him to the fullest. To me that isn't enough. I preferred Zoro when he had a soul to him, when he wasn't this Edgelord that only wants to fight people. Yea he is cool sometimes but its shell of what he used to be. A much more alive character with less edgy persona.


The Soulless character

With last 2 points in mind I'll just say it - Zoro lost his soul as a character. If Sanji lost his morality and sanity, Zoro lost his soul. He was stripped of his personality, of his Vice Captain role and adventures and was transformed into 1 dimensional character whose whole purpose in arcs now is to fight and fight and fight and to be a servant to Luffy and be ready to denounce his dream for him. That is Zoro, the Soulless. And if personally believe Zoro is the reflection of a certain part of his fandom. Quick to lash out, always ready for a conflict and angry af. If you are a chill Zoro fan that enjoys Zoro for who he is you will know about whom I exactly talk about and you will agree with me that is the case. If you are the person that sees yourself in what I said about then this thread will most likely go ape shit crazy. I am not satisfied how Oda took Zoro and stripped him of his personality and made fighting his only personality trait. Zoro was a way better character pre TS and even tho he was a hard ass then too at least he wasn't an Edgelord that only serves to fight people.


Conclusion.

Just like Sanji, Zoro was degraded to a personality wise inferior version of himself. A fight crazy swordsman that is obsessed with cutting people and does nothing else than to fight and occasionally voice his opinion as a vice captain that in most cases falls on deaf ears or he is just plain wrong. That is Vice Captain to future PK, future WSS. That is what Oda decided is better than a colorful Zoro personality wise pre TS


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#57
I don’t see how being stoic = not having a personality. Zoro is, by the author’s own admission, a Japanese character written by and for a Japanese audience. Have you interacted with Japanese people before? Their culture is naturally far less expressive than Westerners, and imposing your own expectations of how much outward emotion one should express is extremely tone-deaf.

Post timeskip Zoro is more like Mihawk. Mihawk doesn’t smile or laugh often, but when he does, it means something. The likes of Luffy, Usopp, Nami and Chopper emote more than enough for the rest of the crew. Why does everyone need to be the same? There are introverts and extroverts in real life. There are people with multiple hobbies and elite athletes who spend the majority of their time training. Zoro is fine as he is, just give him more interactions with Luffy and Chopper and you’ll see his personality shine through.
 
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