General & Others The Ruination of a character #2 - Zoro: the Edgelord, the One Trick Pony and the Soulless one
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Zoro appears proportionally less post-timeskip. That's due to the story shifting from the character focused adventure of the Strawhats, to a grander narrative where the overarching plot takes center stage.
Zoro is the furthest thing from Emo. To be Emo is to be excessively emotional and self destructive. Zoro's a man of discipline and dedication. An Emo would whine about how his life is ruined for having stubbed his toes. Zoro would power through that.
So Zoro cuts things. Yeah, that's what he is. A swordsman. I don't exactly see what more you want from him. Oda still finds some ways to make his fights interesting, or receiving a new blade feel fresh, like one that cuts uncontrollably, or another which drains him more. Zoro's most inventive battle wasn't any of his fights pre-timeskip, it was a post-timeskip fight against Pica, which he couldn't beat by simply cutting down. It highlighted his combat intelligence and leadership skills.
You are projecting the fandom way too much onto Zoro. This bit in particular -
Zoro's fans only wanting fights from him doesn't translate to Zoro just wanting fights. Zoro expects to fight because he's, what a shock, a fighter. Nothing about this has changed. Zoro gets fights in major arcs. Always has, always will. But it's true that isn't the only expectation, and it's still the case post-timeskip. In Wano alone, he's met several people who've endeared themselves to him. In Punk Hazard he grew closer to Tashigi, no longer viewing her as a Kuina clone, and helping to bridge the gap between Pirates and Marines. He's fought alongside and befriended various members of the Strawhat Grand Fleet during his battle with Pica on Dressrosa. His desire to fight Kaido is a direct result of his character arc throughout Wano, where he takes a proactive role of freeing it because he knows he has the strength to do it, being entrusted with the blade that serves as a distilled reminder of the late Oden's unfinished will. Oda uses Zoro's role as fighter as a medium to tell a story through.
You don't seem to understand that Zoro is a stoic character. Even pre-timeskip, he was the calm and focused one. That's the beauty of the Strawhats. They are a melting pot of various personalities. Zoro just happens to be the serious one. He's the member who provides strength and security. Everyone on the crew respects and relies on him to power through everything and protect them. Zoro, knowing that, takes his training and practician seriously, so as to not let them down. That's the entire basis of the "never lose again" speech.
Concluding, if Zoro is the edgiest character you've ever seen, then you need to broaden your horizon to avoid making such ludicrous claims.
Zoro is the furthest thing from Emo. To be Emo is to be excessively emotional and self destructive. Zoro's a man of discipline and dedication. An Emo would whine about how his life is ruined for having stubbed his toes. Zoro would power through that.
So Zoro cuts things. Yeah, that's what he is. A swordsman. I don't exactly see what more you want from him. Oda still finds some ways to make his fights interesting, or receiving a new blade feel fresh, like one that cuts uncontrollably, or another which drains him more. Zoro's most inventive battle wasn't any of his fights pre-timeskip, it was a post-timeskip fight against Pica, which he couldn't beat by simply cutting down. It highlighted his combat intelligence and leadership skills.
You are projecting the fandom way too much onto Zoro. This bit in particular -
Zoro's fans only wanting fights from him doesn't translate to Zoro just wanting fights. Zoro expects to fight because he's, what a shock, a fighter. Nothing about this has changed. Zoro gets fights in major arcs. Always has, always will. But it's true that isn't the only expectation, and it's still the case post-timeskip. In Wano alone, he's met several people who've endeared themselves to him. In Punk Hazard he grew closer to Tashigi, no longer viewing her as a Kuina clone, and helping to bridge the gap between Pirates and Marines. He's fought alongside and befriended various members of the Strawhat Grand Fleet during his battle with Pica on Dressrosa. His desire to fight Kaido is a direct result of his character arc throughout Wano, where he takes a proactive role of freeing it because he knows he has the strength to do it, being entrusted with the blade that serves as a distilled reminder of the late Oden's unfinished will. Oda uses Zoro's role as fighter as a medium to tell a story through.
You don't seem to understand that Zoro is a stoic character. Even pre-timeskip, he was the calm and focused one. That's the beauty of the Strawhats. They are a melting pot of various personalities. Zoro just happens to be the serious one. He's the member who provides strength and security. Everyone on the crew respects and relies on him to power through everything and protect them. Zoro, knowing that, takes his training and practician seriously, so as to not let them down. That's the entire basis of the "never lose again" speech.
Concluding, if Zoro is the edgiest character you've ever seen, then you need to broaden your horizon to avoid making such ludicrous claims.
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I agree, he has kinda became an edglord hollowed out version of him, but to be honest all the straw hats have sort of become hollowed archteypes of themselves. Before they played these typical shonen genre lead roles with more nuance and uniqueness.
Zoro's version of that is just badass swordsman when its stripped of the character complexities pre time skip.
Zoro's version of that is just badass swordsman when its stripped of the character complexities pre time skip.
@Rukusho @Chrono @Sword God Ryuma
so these are the ones i found that i think are passable, and i would count the one on zou as only 1 (same conversation) and then we are only up to 9
maybe rukusho found the last one that gets us up to 10 (to be fair though, chopper and zoro have been separated for most of punk hazard, basically the entirety of dressrosa, and obviously the entirety of WCI).
found lots of interactions with strawhat members other than sanji and luffy though, so the initial statement:
is still very wrong. . .
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@Rukusho @Chrono @Sword God Ryuma
so these are the ones i found that i think are passbale, and i would count the one on zou as only 1 (same conversation) and then we are only up to 9
maybe rukusho found the last one that gets us up to 10 (to be fair though, chopper and zoro have been separated for most of punk hazard, basically the entirety of dressrosa, and obviously the entirety of WCI).
found lots of interactions with strawhat members other than sanji and luffy though, so the initial statement:
is still very wrong. . .
i only counted the two panels from the same scene as one though? i kinda mentioned that in my post?
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@Chrono : or do you mean the the ice oni/antidote shit? because there is at least one and a half page in between those, but alright, then we'd be down to 8
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back to 9. . .
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and if chopper interacting with zoro counts, this would be #10
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@Chrono : or do you mean the the ice oni/antidote shit? because there is at least one and a half page in between those, but alright, then we'd be down to 8
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back to 9. . .
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Even though most of the things you said made no sense (Zoro doesnt smile, Zoro only fights blah blah), you raised one valid point. Nobody thinks post-timeskip Zoro is better. The thing is pre-timeskip Zoro's character reached the pinnacle of awesomeness to the point some (including me) considers him the GOAT manga character. How could Oda top that? Its not possible to produce moments like "nothing happened" everyday.
The story is nearing the end. We dont want any fucking character progression or forced writing that Sanji got in WCI. Zoro is already a great and iconic character of one piece. Zoro and the gang struggled during pre-timeskip, they decided to get stronger and now its time to execute. I hope Oda keeps it simple and focus more on what Zoro could do as a fighter.
The story is nearing the end. We dont want any fucking character progression or forced writing that Sanji got in WCI. Zoro is already a great and iconic character of one piece. Zoro and the gang struggled during pre-timeskip, they decided to get stronger and now its time to execute. I hope Oda keeps it simple and focus more on what Zoro could do as a fighter.
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I dno about all that. Post TS Zoro >> Pre TS Zoro imo.
His whole personality just fits in with the whole New World. I would definitely love to see him interact more with the other SHs. His character to me is just fine.
I honestly can't wait for your piece on Luffy.
This is it really. I couldn't have said it any better.
His whole personality just fits in with the whole New World. I would definitely love to see him interact more with the other SHs. His character to me is just fine.
I honestly can't wait for your piece on Luffy.
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This is it really. I couldn't have said it any better.
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i only counted the two panels from the same scene as one though? i kinda mentioned that in my post?
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@Chrono : or do you mean the the ice oni/antidote shit? because there is at least one and a half page of other shit in between those, but alright, then we'd be down to 8
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back to 9. . .
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and if chopper interacting with zoro counts, this would be #10
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@Chrono : or do you mean the the ice oni/antidote shit? because there is at least one and a half page of other shit in between those, but alright, then we'd be down to 8
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back to 9. . .
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this is either a troll or a shit post.
you didnt even address many counterargument to your previous braindead opinion on the sanji thread.
move on people nothing to see here
regarding zoro, that smile he gave to chopper back there is enough proof one need to see that zoro is still the zoro we know and love all this time.
you didnt even address many counterargument to your previous braindead opinion on the sanji thread.
move on people nothing to see here
regarding zoro, that smile he gave to chopper back there is enough proof one need to see that zoro is still the zoro we know and love all this time.
I'd write an extensive rebuttal of this with panels, but I'm supposed to be on hiatus now, so I'll be very brief.
In brief, Zoro had some more depth to him preskip, but he hasn't been a one dimensional edge lord postskip:
- Zoro smiled at various points in Punk Hazard.
- He had funny and heartwarming moments with Tashigi and spent a while carrying her around.
- He was laughing/smiling when he saved Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire just recently.
- He was smiling when he gave Chopper the antidote and entrusted things to him.
- In Wano Zoro bonded with Yasuie, Tama and Hiyori and had several emotional moments with them.
This post is based on very selective attention/memory and outright falsehoods:
- Zoro only smiles when he cuts things: False
- He smiled after seeing Kinemon cut an explosion, after reuniting with Luffy on Wano, laughed after saving Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire, etc.
- Zoro only cuts things: False
- He advises and chastises Luffy
- He provides emotional support for Luffy
- Zoro is not the Vice Captain: False
- See above
- After retrieving the antidote from Apoo, Zoro delegated handling the treatment to Chopper and reassured him.
- Zoro doesn't express emotions and is always angry: False
- He's been cocky, happy, sad, surprised, distressed, grateful and several other emotions.
- The claim that Zoro is emotionally constipated is a flat out lie.
- He's only really been angry at specific moments (e.g. when he swore to avenge Yasuie, when he saw Okiku's arm fall through the roof).
- He's been cocky, happy, sad, surprised, distressed, grateful and several other emotions.
Most of Zoro's emotions are expressed in regards to Luffy. If you were criticising Zoro, then a criticism about his role as an accessory to Luffy's would make sense, but the current criticism is based on falsehoods.
The only thing true about what you said is Zoro having been more expressive and having more depth preskip, but the extent to which that's true has been greatly overstated.
Don't bother replying, I'm not going to see it/respond.
Chapter 602 - Chopper on Zoro shoulders
Chapter 603 - Chopper knocks out Zoro & Usopp knocks out Luffy (similar to the parallel Usopp and Luffy being best friends Chopper and Zoro big bro little bro relationship)
Chapter 635 - Zoro yelling at Chopper to stop showing off during the grand fight with the New Fishmen pirates
Chapter 642 - Zoro comments on Choppers new hybrid form - Chopper says he's willing to become a monster for Luffy sake
Chapter 648 - Chopper mentions after using Monster Point he can't move and asks if anyone is hurt - Zoro states no is in a worse state then Chopper
Chapter 814 (x2) - Chopper being upset with Zoro regarding his remarks on Sanji (cute part is since Chopper is mad at Zoro he doesn't ride on his shoulders or head he switches between Luffy and Franky)
Chapter 994 - Chopper ask Zoro to retrieve the antidote from Apoo
Chapter 997 (x2) - Zoro gets the antidote and gives it to Chopper asking if he can handle this floor | Queen aims a mini gun at Chopper Zoro destroys it protecting Chopper.
** one more for good measure ** Marco heals Chopper, Zoro thinking he attacked him attempts to cut down Marco.
@Zenos7 @HA001 @Sword God Ryuma @Chrono
Took me forever lol had to go through all post-ts but what's crazy is the similarities between Usopps interactions with Luffy & Chopper with Zoro.
So Usopp being a good liar vs Luffy who cannot lie properly
Chopper being a beast but hated it vs Zoro who enjoys being a beast and loves fighting (funny how Chopper looks up to someone like him)
Chapter 603 - Chopper knocks out Zoro & Usopp knocks out Luffy (similar to the parallel Usopp and Luffy being best friends Chopper and Zoro big bro little bro relationship)
Chapter 635 - Zoro yelling at Chopper to stop showing off during the grand fight with the New Fishmen pirates
Chapter 642 - Zoro comments on Choppers new hybrid form - Chopper says he's willing to become a monster for Luffy sake
Chapter 648 - Chopper mentions after using Monster Point he can't move and asks if anyone is hurt - Zoro states no is in a worse state then Chopper
Chapter 814 (x2) - Chopper being upset with Zoro regarding his remarks on Sanji (cute part is since Chopper is mad at Zoro he doesn't ride on his shoulders or head he switches between Luffy and Franky)
Chapter 994 - Chopper ask Zoro to retrieve the antidote from Apoo
Chapter 997 (x2) - Zoro gets the antidote and gives it to Chopper asking if he can handle this floor | Queen aims a mini gun at Chopper Zoro destroys it protecting Chopper.
** one more for good measure ** Marco heals Chopper, Zoro thinking he attacked him attempts to cut down Marco.
@Zenos7 @HA001 @Sword God Ryuma @Chrono
Took me forever lol had to go through all post-ts but what's crazy is the similarities between Usopps interactions with Luffy & Chopper with Zoro.
So Usopp being a good liar vs Luffy who cannot lie properly
Chopper being a beast but hated it vs Zoro who enjoys being a beast and loves fighting (funny how Chopper looks up to someone like him)
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