General & Others the swordsmen debate

[Power]

Dont try moan about other people being wrong when you dont have a point to make and act like a dumbass instead. You have no answer as usual. Clown.

Who hurt you?

 

[HA001]

Your argument is irrelevant anyway. All your saying is that anyone who wields a sword is weaker than Mihawk. You're way too dense.

How is my argument irrelevant ?
Shanks is a swordsman who had duels with mihawk. Where if shanks had beat mihawk he would be the wss. But hes not.
And no the author said that. He made mihawk the worlds strongest swordsman.
Youre way to dumb to make a coherent valid point.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

And beside why are we talking about this anyway? Swordsman is trash anyway

 

[Kejon]

And beside why are we talking about this anyway? Swordsman is trash anyway

There is no point. His arguments are way too simpleminded and senseless. He can't even comment without using insults. He is hopeless.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

There is no point. His arguments are way too simpleminded and senseless. He can't even comment without using insults. He is hopeless.

Every Zoro fans is hopeless LOLThere is nothing I can do about it

 

[HA001]

There is no point. His arguments are way too simpleminded and senseless. He can't even comment without using insults. He is hopeless.

Yeah im hopeless because i believe the man the author labelled as the world strongest swordsman is the worlds strongest swordsman. Your posts keep getting better!

 

[Kejon]

Yeah im hopeless because i believe the man the author labelled as the world strongest swordsman is the worlds strongest swordsman. Your posts keep getting better!

Your argument is flawed, because characters like BM or WB use weapons as an extension and not a primary way of fighting. We haven't seen Shanks fight yet, so you can't say that he is weaker than Mihawk. They were actually called equals and their duels were legendary. Your one and only argument is laughable: Anyone who wields a sword is weaker than Mihawk. And no, Mihawk is not stronger than Roger.

Mihawk is a ''real' or ''pure'' swordsman. Without his sword, he is nothing. He struggled against Vista and he wanted to test his strength against the WSM. In fact, Vista is said to be able to compete against Mihawk and he is a top class fighter.

 

[HA001]

Your argument is flawed, because characters like BM or WB use weapons as an extension and not a primary way of fighting. We haven't seen Shanks fight yet, so you can't say that he is weaker than Mihawk. They were actually called equals and their duels were legendary. Your one and only argument is laughable: Anyone who wields a sword is weaker than Mihawk. And no, Mihawk is not stronger than Roger.

Mihawk is a ''real' or ''pure'' swordsman. Without his sword, he is nothing. He struggled against Vista and he wanted to test his strength against the WSM. In fact, Vista is said to be able to compete against Mihawk and he is a top class fighter.

Show me a panel where pure swordsman is mentioned ?
No oda has called fujitora and law swordsman.
I can say he is weaker than mihawk because he is.
Mihawk didnt struggle at all vs vista. Infact hes not come close to taking damage once.
The same vc states mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than shanks.

 

[Rukusho]

Why do you assume Shanks and Mihawk didn't fight purely with sword skills? Nothing else is ever mentioned. However I think the opposite, that they only used their sword skills, might have been mentioned (not sure). If it were different, it would also completely eliminate any uncertainty about Mihawk's status compared to the Yonko. (People have only started saying he is basically on par with the Yonko recently, by the way, and basically just because. I'm not saying it is not plausible, but the manga left that open.)

And it would arguably diminish Shanks somewhat... And by the way, Vista would be Shanks-level too now. (Just another joke about being too certain about the pure plausibility of a string of conclusions.)

It is actually the first time I have ever seen someone state definitely that Shanks used his full capabilities rather than his sword abilities and strength, of course. And by the way, would Mihawk even care about "dueling" with him then? I think not.




What "Oda's definition"? No, he would only beat him as the "better swordsman", if the meteor would somehow be channeled in his sword... In other words, he would actually have to use his sword. Otherwise it's nonsense, and you could just say just about all Yonko are the WSS, end of story, move on... Your "definition" is arbitrary and doesn't make sense, even by what others have allowed.

Edit: I see you used the next line to say something about that, however I still think it's not accurate, for two reasons: 1. Maybe he could deliver the final blow to him when he's basically already down with something else, however he would basically have to be brought to defeat in a sword fight mainly. Otherwise talking about a sword fight would fall apart. Delivering the "final blow" in turn then is just a formality to not be overly pedantic, because this would also let fall things apart in making them too artificial.
2. Talk of different types or degrees of swordsmen was already introduced, so someone who uses more mixed techniques, depending on their power (proportion of damage) and independence, could possibly not deserve that title. It would have to be seen.
(And I would add someone with the title "World's Strongest Swordsman" likely aims to overcome any challenges with his sword-fighting skills alone, or else the title itself - whether one finds one can somehow call someone a "swordsman" or not - becomes a bit sillier.)

I get where you’re coming from, but here’s something we can use as a base point and that’s Zoro.

From panels posted by other members we’ve seen cheap shots (Zoro vs Cabaji), Using Rokoshiki techniques more than their Swords (Zoro vs Kaku), Brook uses his music.

The reason I mention these is to say they are all swordsman at the end of the day.

If Zoro falls asleep to Brooks music and gets cut and loses a fight it just proves he wasn’t good enough to be capable of dealing with Brooks Hax.

 

[Rukusho]

And despite Whitebeard's DF, Roger was still at the very least his equal in pure destructive power and strength as Oden's flashback proved.

Correct. Roger was on equal footing with WhiteBeard.

 

[Rukusho]

You can still be the strongest swordsman and still lose; WSC WSM>> WSS.

If WSS is Tier A WSC WSM is Tier S

What’s this based on ?
WSC was cut down by an inferior Swordsman to the likes of Mihawk...

WSM was tied with a Swordsman (Roger, until proven otherwise he is a swordsman)

Where is the narrative that WSC & WSM >> WSS ???????

 

[Red Admiral]

Every man who use sword as his main weapon and most of the time is a swordsman (Kizaru is out)

Every man who use sword as his primly form of fight and his strongest power is a pure swordsman (Roger and Shanks are out ... but they are swordsman)

p.s

WSS is not a title about over all power

Roger being a swordsman , Roger being strongest , Roger not being WSS

PROVE WSS is not about over all power

 

[Red Admiral]

What’s this based on ?
WSC was cut down by an inferior Swordsman to the likes of Mihawk...

WSM was tied with a Swordsman (Roger, until proven otherwise he is a swordsman)

Where is the narrative that WSC & WSM >> WSS ???????

where is the use and importance of WSS to narrative ... he have no story arc

Mihawk never had a single on screen hype


- he walked like that
- he talk like that
- he look like that
- his title should have this meaning

are the base of Mihawk being top top tier illusion

Oda didn't even enough fuck about WSS title ... by making Roger WSS ... now that was a real respect

 

[Rukusho]

where is the use and importance of WSS to narrative ... he have no story arc

Mihawk never had a single on screen hype


- he walked like that
- he talk like that
- he look like that
- his title should have this meaning

are the base of Mihawk being top top tier illusion

Oda didn't even enough fuck about WSS title ... by making Roger WSS ... now that was a real respect

Hmmmmm... 🤔

So let me get this straight.

* The Deuteragonist of One Piece goal is to become WSS

* When Nami left the crew during Arlong Park Luffy was adamant that Zoro & Usopp go get her back ASAP, but Luffy put that on hold while Zoro fought Mihawk. (Zoro’s ambition at that time to Luffy was more important than having Nami on the crew)

* Mihawk is the rival to Shanks (Zoro’s goal to surpass Mihawk — Luffys goal surpass Shanks/Yonko who got Luffy into piracy)

* Mihawk with his clairvoyance tells us (the audience) that Luffys specialty isn’t his physical strength but the power to draw people in which is one of the greatest powers on the sea

** But all of this isn’t important **

I can give more narratives on Mihawk and he’s been given less panel time than a lot of other important characters, also just to add from an Author stand point what would be the point of introducing a title like World Strongsst Swordsman if it isn’t important makes no sense

 

[nik87]

This thread turned into a fest of mental gymnastics of how to justify swordsmen being stronger than Mihawk without having WSS title.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

After several years, I've still never seen any manga/SBS/interview/databook mention of this elusive "pure swordsman" concept.

 

[Red Admiral]

Hmmmmm... 🤔

So let me get this straight.

* The Deuteragonist of One Piece goal is to become WSS

* When Nami left the crew during Arlong Park Luffy was adamant that Zoro & Usopp go get her back ASAP, but Luffy put that on hold while Zoro fought Mihawk. (Zoro’s ambition at that time to Luffy was more important than having Nami on the crew)

* Mihawk is the rival to Shanks (Zoro’s goal to surpass Mihawk — Luffys goal surpass Shanks/Yonko who got Luffy into piracy)

* Mihawk with his clairvoyance tells us (the audience) that Luffys specialty isn’t his physical strength but the power to draw people in which is one of the greatest powers on the sea

** But all of this isn’t important **

I can give more narratives on Mihawk and he’s been given less panel time than a lot of other important characters, also just to add from an Author stand point what would be the point of introducing a title like World Strongsst Swordsman if it isn’t important makes no sense

hmmm ... let's check

* Zoro is not the Deuteragonist of shit ... he can die next chapter and everything would be fine ... he could never existed and everything would be fine


* Luffy waited for his friend ... for like 10 min ... and that's a prove for ..... hmmm ... shit
that's not even an argument for shit


*Mihawk WAS rival to Shanks ... now he is not worthy enough to keep his job as a dog for WG


* Mihawk care about Luffy cause Shanks told him so ... so thanks for hyping Shanks



among all the wankers for Mihawk .... you are most easy to low diff ... come on ... make my job harder

 

[Red Admiral]

This thread turned into a fest of mental gymnastics of how to justify swordsmen being stronger than Mihawk without having WSS title.

Mihawk Fandom : WSS is about over all power

Roger/Oda : hold my sword while I have no title

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Mihawk Fandom : WSS is about over all power

If World's Strongest titles aren't about overall power, what are they about? Is WB the most skilled man or something? Renaissance Man WB?

Mihawk WAS rival to Shanks ... now he is not worthy enough to keep his job as a dog for WG

Shanks can talk to the Gorosei (without them worrying too much) and you call Mihawk the government dog?

 

[nik87]

Mihawk Fandom : WSS is about over all power
Roger/Oda : hold my sword while I have no title

The same old mental gymnastics?