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I debunked that Kaido's defeat is the key here, like you claimed.
King debunked that Kaido is tougher.
King's feats have debunked Kaido being better in other stats.
You do know just because Kaido would win a fight against King it doesnt mean that King cannot beat him at several stats?
Or you scale DragonBall way - the stronger one is better at everything?
King debunked that Kaido is tougher.
King's feats have debunked Kaido being better in other stats.
You do know just because Kaido would win a fight against King it doesnt mean that King cannot beat him at several stats?
Or you scale DragonBall way - the stronger one is better at everything?
Even your dear CP-0 are waiting to see if he gets defeated or not to decide if they will invade or not, not caring that King is still around.
So your ''Biggest Threat'' claim already falls flat.
No I dont actually do that, Ill give King being Faster and maybe being more durable under certain conditions ( the thing Zoro is trying to figure out) but I think Kaido is overall tougher in most scenarios.
I explained it several times, start comparing King's and Kaido's feats and you will see it yourself.
How about you read the opening post and see the comparison between King and Kaido with pics?
How about you read the opening post and see the comparison between King and Kaido with pics?
You are also comparing Dragon Kaido tanking the attack without blocking and no haki to King Blocking with his Wings and probably using Armament CoA to add to his defense. Therefore not comparable again.
Ill give you the speed, King seems to be faster on average. Though I think attacks like TB are faster as they managed to tag Post Udon and FS training Luffy.
Yes, yes and now we find out there is another guy just as tough as Kaido or even tougher, on another level as he says himself and more lethal than Kaido, with better combat style than Kaido, faster than Kaido, more aggressive than Kaido, spamming attacks faster than Kaido and so on...
You are just twisting the narrative because you cant accept King being better than Kaido is many things, lmao.
Kaido has nothing to shield from Tatsumaki, regardless of the form. He doesnt have wings to surround himself with.
It will not change and King is about to get better and better feats.
You are just twisting the narrative because you cant accept King being better than Kaido is many things, lmao.
Kaido has nothing to shield from Tatsumaki, regardless of the form. He doesnt have wings to surround himself with.
It will not change and King is about to get better and better feats.
Not King's fault that Kaido doesn't have any body part as durable as King's wings.
"Kaido didn't block Tatsumaki" just stop.
What could Kaido do to block it? Nothing.
His "shield' is his dragon scales, just like King's "shield" is his wings. It just happens that King's shield is more durable than Kaido's, proven in last chapter.
King's wings > Kaido's dragon scales > King's body imo.
Not King's fault that Kaido doesn't have any body part as durable as King's wings.
"Kaido didn't block Tatsumaki" just stop.
What could Kaido do to block it? Nothing.
His "shield' is his dragon scales, just like King's "shield" is his wings. It just happens that King's shield is more durable than Kaido's, proven in last chapter.
King's wings > Kaido's dragon scales > King's body imo.
"Kaido didn't block Tatsumaki" just stop.
What could Kaido do to block it? Nothing.
His "shield' is his dragon scales, just like King's "shield" is his wings. It just happens that King's shield is more durable than Kaido's, proven in last chapter.
King's wings > Kaido's dragon scales > King's body imo.
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Not King's fault that Kaido doesn't have any body part as durable as King's wings.
"Kaido didn't block Tatsumaki" just stop.
What could Kaido do to block it? Nothing.
His "shield' is his dragon scales, just like King's "shield" is his wings. It just happens that King's shield is more durable than Kaido's, proven in last chapter.
King's wings > Kaido's dragon scales > King's body imo.
Dragon's scale were supposed to be the most OP defense and Zoro cut it. Even if King blocked with his wings, it was with his Pteranodon wings and not his feathers wings. So Zoro should have cut those wings but he didn't .. that means King's race help him to defend himself whether he is in base form or zoan or hybrid form.
Did you get dropped on your head as a child? Jozu got "hyped" by a stronger guy than Kizaru.
Marco/King are just Commanders slightly stronger than Jozu/Queen. Anyone with a brain can see this. Obviously this doesn't apply to you.
King is not Katakuri, just like Marco is not Rayleigh. It's a false equivalency. Katakuri >>> Smoothie. King > Queen barely.
Marco/King are just Commanders slightly stronger than Jozu/Queen. Anyone with a brain can see this. Obviously this doesn't apply to you.
King is not Katakuri, just like Marco is not Rayleigh. It's a false equivalency. Katakuri >>> Smoothie. King > Queen barely.
I agree there's a bigger gap between Katakuri and his peers. So what? Are you telling me Marco and King haven't been distinguished from their peers either, maybe not to the extent of Katakuri but they still clearly have.
If the Kizaru answer didn't satisfy you, how about the fact that Marco didn't get KOd in the war while Jozu was on the floor with a missing arm? Or how about the fact that Big Mom ran away from him this arc? Or how about the fact that beating Marco made BB a Yonkou.
Regarding King, among the ancient zoans he's the only one who can naturally fly, is from a special race (access to fire), just showed a durability/defensive feat even above Kaidou, his Captain who excels in that department. Name me one stat Queen showed greater than his Captain, or do you expect him to?
Actually don't, forget even responding to any of that ^ I don't expect you to agree to any of it, you'll come up with excuses for each scenario. I must really be bored right now even responding to you lmao.
How about this, just to future proof your bs, if King shows conquerors will you admit he's been distinguished from the rest? If you can't even agree to this, then don't quote me again.
King is closer to Queen than he is to Jack or Kaido. That's canon fact. Same for Marco and WB/Jozu/Vista. King/Queen are like Kaku/Jabra. Same for Marco/Jozu.
Putting all right hands in the same category is fallacious, when Marco/Rayleigh blows that theory out of the water. King/Queen are to Kaido what Zoro/Sanji are to Luffy, and Marco/Jozu were to WB.
Putting all right hands in the same category is fallacious, when Marco/Rayleigh blows that theory out of the water. King/Queen are to Kaido what Zoro/Sanji are to Luffy, and Marco/Jozu were to WB.
And again, he used CoA most likely whereas Kaido didnt.
Honestly at this point Im just waiting for the official translations to decide, I already said that King is probably more durable but it has to do with some thing and Zoro is trying to figure it out. Meaning he isnt overall tougher on average. Kaido probably knows what it is that has to be done to bypass said durability.
I never said otherwise.
You keep saying that as if repeating it will make it happen, Ill give you faster and maybe more durable but thats pretty much it. Not sure how agressiveness is an actual stat btw. He spams attacks faster than Kaido and yet did not do as much as one hit from TB did to Zoro.
No I am not, those two things are not comparable because one can block in that form whereas the other cannot.
Honestly at this point Im just waiting for the official translations to decide, I already said that King is probably more durable but it has to do with some thing and Zoro is trying to figure it out. Meaning he isnt overall tougher on average. Kaido probably knows what it is that has to be done to bypass said durability.
I never said otherwise.
You keep saying that as if repeating it will make it happen, Ill give you faster and maybe more durable but thats pretty much it. Not sure how agressiveness is an actual stat btw. He spams attacks faster than Kaido and yet did not do as much as one hit from TB did to Zoro.
No I am not, those two things are not comparable because one can block in that form whereas the other cannot.
We all knew this was coming the moment Oda started spilling the beans on the most mysterious character in the whole of Wano!
We all thought Kaido was the most special character among beast pirates and it turns out that his mere underling is stealing the show despite Oda keeping it all under wraps until just several chapters ago... This mere commander ended up the only remaining member of a race that was considered gods in the distant past, long before the 20 Kings took over the world and drove out Lunarians out of their god's land atop of the Red Wall...
The mystery is still far from revealed and King's background plays a much bigger role than that of Kaido who is an Oni, a parallel to the baddie from Momotaro story and whose all the abilities are given through the devil fruit that Big Mom has gifted to him 38 years ago while King's abilities come from his Lunarian race. King is also the last Beast Pirates member whose hybrid form was revealed, Oda has kept that one hidden for the longest. All abilities surrounding Kaido are revealed while King is still a mystery.
The more time passes the more spotlight King steals from the captain of the Beast Pirates. Many among the fandom have wondered why the rooftop happened first and vs King happened afterwards - now it is all clear, because now King cannot be underestimated and downplayed after we have seen Zoro's performance on the rooftop. The bar is raised very high and King is delivering good, too good to the point that even Kaido fans are feeling uneasy and threatened by King's performance. That's how you quickly build up a powerful villain, by making him keep up with the guy that the Emperors cant keep up with. The rooftop was King's hype tool.
The anxiety is not unjustified because Kaido is a tough sitting duck while King is also tough without being a sitting duck and instead is delivering on all fronts. Both of them are the toughest creatures in the world and King just confirmed that his toughness is on another level.
He didnt need to confirm it because we already all saw that he handles Zoro's damage better than Kaido but it doesnt hurt spelling it out, to kill all the doubts. Once again, there are 3 confirmations that King's toughness eclipses even that of Kaido - King's own words, feats of shrugging off Zoro's hits and the foreshadowing all the way back from Punk Hazard.
When it comes to the comparison between a mere underling and a captain, this is not the first time that the underling looks better than the captain. Zoro broke that ice a long time ago and reinforced it again during the rooftop battle between the new generation and the old generation. I know that the fandom power scales with a blindfold and Muh captain>mere underling but we need to examine the difference between every captain and his right hand because the gap may not exist at all. Just because Meme addresses Katakuri with "lowly son of mine" it doesnt mean that Zoro cant clap Luffy or that King isnt comparable to Kaido because he definitely is...
The toughness is definitely the biggest shock considering that Kaido is called the toughest in the world:
Close combat attack frequency:
Kaido has something similar vs Yamato while they are using 1 weapon each. King is better since he is keeping up with 3 swords.
Ranged combat attack frequency:
Something similar to Kizaru's attack Yasakani no Magatama...
Attack traveling speed, basically instant and unblockable, with decent destructive capability:
Reflexes and dodging instantaneous attacks like Zoro's flying slashes:
Incredible physical strength that Zoro compares to two races which are known to be physically more powerful than humans:
Even more overwhelming physical strength gained through his speed flight paired with a slap of the giant wing in hybrid:
Close combat style complexity having to deal with kicks as well as sword and there is a possibility that he may include wings as well in future:
Kaido vs Tatsumaki:
King vs Tatsumaki:
Kaido's flying slashes vs Zoro:
King's flying slashes vs Zoro:
The list goes on and will continue to go on but you catch my drift, you have to try really hard to find a thing that Kaido is better at than King. What is going on?!
Is a mere underling supposed to look good? Is this the first time an underling looks good or they always looked good but were shrugged off as insignificant by people who cant power scale and because they fought Zoro?
An underling has never been limited by the captain's strength but in King's case, his captain is the strongest in the world... My question is how does a guy who is worse than King at almost every stat out there still remain stronger than King? Are endurance and stamina the key to Kaido's victory over King?
I guess it came true what I was saying the whole time - Zoro's opponents are incredible fighters, better fighters than people that Luffy faces.
Not just better but whole another level better:
The funny part is that this time they are not just stealing the combat spotlight but also the lore and significance in the world of One Piece...
As someone else said, Luffy's greatest chess move is recruiting Zoro into his crew and it seems Kaido plays chess just as well considering King's performance.
I cracked the ice with the difference between YCs and top tiers not being anywhere close to what people have imagined it to be and now it seems that King and Zoro have proven that there is no difference whatsoever. Is it a coincidence that Beckman is comparable to Shanks? Is it a coincidence that Blackbeard plays chess well too and recruits a man more dangerous than the man who ended entire Blackbeard pirates in an instant?
It is very odd that World's Strongest Creature isnt the one who gives the best performance against a power-seeking character like Zoro but instead his mere underling...
What are your thoughts on this?
We all thought Kaido was the most special character among beast pirates and it turns out that his mere underling is stealing the show despite Oda keeping it all under wraps until just several chapters ago... This mere commander ended up the only remaining member of a race that was considered gods in the distant past, long before the 20 Kings took over the world and drove out Lunarians out of their god's land atop of the Red Wall...
The mystery is still far from revealed and King's background plays a much bigger role than that of Kaido who is an Oni, a parallel to the baddie from Momotaro story and whose all the abilities are given through the devil fruit that Big Mom has gifted to him 38 years ago while King's abilities come from his Lunarian race. King is also the last Beast Pirates member whose hybrid form was revealed, Oda has kept that one hidden for the longest. All abilities surrounding Kaido are revealed while King is still a mystery.
The more time passes the more spotlight King steals from the captain of the Beast Pirates. Many among the fandom have wondered why the rooftop happened first and vs King happened afterwards - now it is all clear, because now King cannot be underestimated and downplayed after we have seen Zoro's performance on the rooftop. The bar is raised very high and King is delivering good, too good to the point that even Kaido fans are feeling uneasy and threatened by King's performance. That's how you quickly build up a powerful villain, by making him keep up with the guy that the Emperors cant keep up with. The rooftop was King's hype tool.
The anxiety is not unjustified because Kaido is a tough sitting duck while King is also tough without being a sitting duck and instead is delivering on all fronts. Both of them are the toughest creatures in the world and King just confirmed that his toughness is on another level.
He didnt need to confirm it because we already all saw that he handles Zoro's damage better than Kaido but it doesnt hurt spelling it out, to kill all the doubts. Once again, there are 3 confirmations that King's toughness eclipses even that of Kaido - King's own words, feats of shrugging off Zoro's hits and the foreshadowing all the way back from Punk Hazard.
When it comes to the comparison between a mere underling and a captain, this is not the first time that the underling looks better than the captain. Zoro broke that ice a long time ago and reinforced it again during the rooftop battle between the new generation and the old generation. I know that the fandom power scales with a blindfold and Muh captain>mere underling but we need to examine the difference between every captain and his right hand because the gap may not exist at all. Just because Meme addresses Katakuri with "lowly son of mine" it doesnt mean that Zoro cant clap Luffy or that King isnt comparable to Kaido because he definitely is...
The toughness is definitely the biggest shock considering that Kaido is called the toughest in the world:
Ranged combat attack frequency:
Attack traveling speed, basically instant and unblockable, with decent destructive capability:
The list goes on and will continue to go on but you catch my drift, you have to try really hard to find a thing that Kaido is better at than King. What is going on?!
Is a mere underling supposed to look good? Is this the first time an underling looks good or they always looked good but were shrugged off as insignificant by people who cant power scale and because they fought Zoro?
An underling has never been limited by the captain's strength but in King's case, his captain is the strongest in the world... My question is how does a guy who is worse than King at almost every stat out there still remain stronger than King? Are endurance and stamina the key to Kaido's victory over King?
I guess it came true what I was saying the whole time - Zoro's opponents are incredible fighters, better fighters than people that Luffy faces.
Not just better but whole another level better:
The funny part is that this time they are not just stealing the combat spotlight but also the lore and significance in the world of One Piece...
As someone else said, Luffy's greatest chess move is recruiting Zoro into his crew and it seems Kaido plays chess just as well considering King's performance.
I cracked the ice with the difference between YCs and top tiers not being anywhere close to what people have imagined it to be and now it seems that King and Zoro have proven that there is no difference whatsoever. Is it a coincidence that Beckman is comparable to Shanks? Is it a coincidence that Blackbeard plays chess well too and recruits a man more dangerous than the man who ended entire Blackbeard pirates in an instant?
It is very odd that World's Strongest Creature isnt the one who gives the best performance against a power-seeking character like Zoro but instead his mere underling...
What are your thoughts on this?
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