General & Others The Yonko, The Marines, Warlords, CP0, Reverie... all of it is... BULLSHIT

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I was working on a 3 justices and their impact on the evolution of Marines. Getting into the second justice it hit me.. hold on, even though justices are important to the Marines.. how important are they to the actual World Government top dogs who run the world. So I got into some digging to find some evidence of the top WG officials: Gorosei or IMU having any references or hints about justice.... and.. I found nothing. So I scratched that thread and started up this one, so let's get into it.


We've seen the Marines stress about enforcing their justice. We have seen the Emperors talk about conquering the world. But in the end all of it is just bullshit... Let's take a look at some of this stuff:


Absolute Justice:

The Gorosei openly told Sakazuki that the Marines are just the outer face of the World Government, that's it. Marines really don't have much value for the World Government as far as ideals go, they're just there to be used by them when needed to carry out their dirty work and pretty much manage their seas. Then they're out here making deals with the 4 emperors and holding meetings with them... which goes against their so called "absolute justice" that is the main ideology of the Marines put into them by the World Government.

Conquering the world:

Kaido, Shiki, Big Mom, Xebec.. these dudes wanted/want to conquer the world. But who got even remotely close to challenging the Commander-in-Chief of the World Government.. let alone the Gorosei & Imu? None, they couldn't even sniff them let alone get close to challenging them. They either get dealt with by the Marines or just other pirates/criminals that roam around the seas.




You see while One Piece may have originally been a manga about Luffy taking down the 4 emperors for Oda, all of that changed during chapter 100, The Legend Begins, with the introduction of this man:

At this point we had no clue what he was really talking about. In fact we had no clue about his relation to Luffy or what he was about or anything at all. But that panel of "The World is waiting for our answer" set the story on a path that was higher than mere pirate battles. But that higher path the story was going to go towards was cemented with chapter 233, The World's Greatest Power, with the introduction of the Gorosei as "Supreme leaders of the World Government". The dudes who are designed after famous influential politicians/rulers of the real world.

At this point the Yonko/Admirals and such were still "the shit" you know, like what they did mattered and shit and seemed important. But then there were few panels here and there with the Gorosei that started to put that in question..Chapter 793, that pretty much showcases the Marines are nothing but a tool to the Gorosei, with their Honor not mattering at all to them or their face:

But it's like ok, the Yonko are still doing their thing you know, big dogs of the world running their own shit independent of the Gorosei.. but i'll be damned... you got Orochi making deals with the CP0 them knowing that Orochi is related to Kaido, you had them approving Doflamingo's trade and being fine with it even before that, but the ultimate "i'll be damned" moment happened in chapter 907, before Orochi-CP0 and after Doflamingo-underworld trade:


Luffy's so called "idol", and arguably the top emperor in terms of sheer prowess is having tea time discussion with the Gorosei. And they ain't even treating this dude like a threat at all. They're like "Ok kid, what do you want?? Why'd you come all the way here?? We only made this time cause you requested it so don't waste time.".. and this dude is like "Thank you for that" / "I appreciate that." But before I could've actually digested this in and connected it all BAM.. chapter 908:


Gorosei are telling the King of the World, "Just tell us the Name you want erased from history and we'll make it happen.".. yea just tell us the name of the scrub you want eliminated and we got you.

The Admirals, Yonko, Warlords, they all exist because the Gorosei & Imu are letting them exist. That is it. And why do they let them exist? Because it's them playing with the world and keeping everyone busy with each other so they can simply run the world without any big nuisance pestering them. But there is one pest that is pestering them right now that they haven't been able to take out in the last decade, Luffy's own father.. and soon it'll be luffy himself along with dozens of others once people in the OP world wake up to the reality of things that they are nothing but mere pawns playing to the tune of powers much higher than them.


Politics is the name of the game. 6 people in the world of One Piece play everyone like mere pawns in a chess game. The balance of power, and etc only exists because it's what those 6 people feel like having. Hence, Marines, Yonko, Warlords.. it's all bullshit and doesn't really matter at all. They'll only matter once these people are gotten rid of.
Great thread.

Imagine being the elected president of your country trying to convince your people that you're protecting them in exchange for the "Heavenly Tribute", it's easier to accomplish that by having "bad, violent and scary" emperors and pirates that threat/kill civilians. Just look at how the world was crying tears of joy after Whitebeard's death, no wonder the deceiving World Government survived the strokes of time for 800 years. It's ironic how they abandoned Sphinx island because they couldn't pay the tribute for the World Nobles just for a Yonko to raise and support its residents with his earnings from piracy.

They don't want to eradicate the Yonko because of the fake "protection" they offer to nations from the "evil pirates" AND because these Yonko utterly destroy the Super Rookies who try to break the world balance like Luffy, Kid, Law and Teach. The Yonko are basically gigantic stones that prevent anyone from reaching Laugh Tale. There's a reason why The World Government erased everything related to Xebec and nothing about Whitebeard or Roger.

Regarding their strength, One Piece world is filled with many high tier characters with just Haki and skill, it could be just that Imu sama is hiding the most overpowered devil fruits in history somewhere inside that underground champer in Pangaea Castle and no one else except Chadmu and the Five Elders know about the location. They feed these fruits to new recruited admirals/CP agents but they are cautious not to feed the Marine so much power to prevent a coup.
 
#24
Great thread.

I agree the Marines - Warlord - Yonko system was made to ensure no one would reach Raftel and learn the truth, it's all a game by Imu.

After the introduction of Sword, I started to think that the entire Marines were going to make a coup against the WG, but after thinking about it, I realized that Sword isn't acting against the WG, it's just a way for the Marines to keep tabs on pirates by using spies, which then just makes it part of the game by Imu.

As long as pirates and Marines are focused on each other the game will keep playing. I'm sure that just as the Marines have a spy like Drake in Kaido's crew, he also has one in the Marines.

The only one not playing the game right now is Dragon and the Revolutionaries.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#25
The 170 nations are all Imu's Bitch, The Celestial Dragons are All Imu's Bitch, The Admirals, Yonkos, Warlords are all Imu's Bitch
Imu truly is the ultimate Chad of One Piece, everything is a literal chess game to entertain him
Im sama is a girl fk u, i saw her panties once.
Well ok, alright i lied, she went commando

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Finally someone made a thread of what I was thinking all the time. Thank you 👌


As such, the strongest enemies are not yonkos or admirals, but the gorosei and imu.


As such, one should have a clear picture when it comes to powerscaling.

Every enemy of luffy in the story is just there, so that luffy can become stronger, till he fights his last fight. Against imu.

So what does this mean? Even the admirals and yonkos are "just stepping stones" for luffy and his friends.

We can probably add to that roger and garp. Even they at their prime couldn't defeat imu and the gorosei. Adding to that that they don't have the numbers (support of the world), they never made their move. Heck, roger's life was dedicated to the one, who will free the world. Yep, the one piece itself (the myth) was made for luffy.

Rocks wanted to fight the celestial dragons but he was too weak (even though he is quite strong)

So luffy has to surprass roger, rocks and garp. In both ways.

And as a test for that will be the roger, rocks and garp of this era. Aka shanks, blackbeard and dragon.


That is why, luffy's promise to shanks at the beginning will come later back, as a fight between shanks and luffy, to see if luffy has surprassed roger and thus being worthy of the one piece.

At least, that is my theory about the flow of the story.


So please my beloved op community, consider this when debating about power levels. :-)
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So nope, I don't believe kaido to be the strongest creature in the world. That's just what people say. Just hype. And I don't think that right now he is stronger than shanks. Not because I'm a fan of shanks but because of his role in the story.
Shanks seems likely to face off with bb tho? Then probably die.
 
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#27
The balance of power, and etc only exists because it's what those 6 people feel like having. Hence, Marines, Yonko, Warlords.. it's all bullshit and doesn't really matter at all. They'll only matter once these people are gotten rid of.
You are assuming The gorosei and Imu within themselves have the military might to enforce a world order of their choosing?

Like it's not unheard of for a leader to have different views from his followers. It doesn't mean one is more important than the other.

For example Hitler was a genocidal racist maniac but the entire Germany army WASN'T that. The Nazi army did do the genocidal shit for Hitler but they were fed another story about nationalism and even justice and shit like that. All the while Hitler himself was just a mad man.

In the end though both what Hitler was about and what he said to lie to the masses was important. One isn't more important than the other.

The gorosei have some kind of fascist ideals but that's not what they sell to the new recruits joining the marines. They sell them Justice. The gorosei said the marines are the public face they use and said public face WAS CREATED BY THEM. They chose to make up their story about justice because they know their own ideals about Genocide and fascism wouldn't hold in rounding up the masses.

So you see, they NEED to lie because at the end of the day they can't just force their actual beliefs on everyone because they aren't that strong.

They have to lie about having a one true king because they know if they expose their singular leader, Imu's right to lead will come into question and they DON’T have the power to just scare everybody to comply.

Politics exists to control the masses because at the end of the day, the masses are always a much greater force than the rulers.

The gorosei don't let the emperors exist. They do not have the power to decide whether the emperors should exist or not. What they do have the power to do is add a label. They call the emperors "Pirates" and immediately that nullifies all their political power. Now Big mom who is actively trying to destroy Racism has the same title as Arlong, the racist fuck who kills indiscriminately.

And so politics has decided the World government is correct for allowing the celestial to have slaves because the political term "noble" has decided they are good while Big mom is wrong for trying to destroy racism because the political term "pirate" has decided she's bad.

I don't see what you are going for here saying that the WG is just playing around for some reason and all the political machinations they do are somehow a waste of time. I feel you are implying that these six guys have some kind of military might that doesn't require ideology that itself can choose to subjugate all the emperors and warlords and marines at any time if they so please. And thats bullshit.
 
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#28
Shanks seems likely to face off with bb tho? Then probably die.

Could be. But after luffy's fight with shanks. I highly suspect that bb will go AFTER luffy to raftel. And there will be a final fight between them, to see who is worth of the one piece, as both have a d.
But they are their counterparts.

I mean, bb doesn't have the poneglyphs, he doesn't have robin nor can he read them himself.

Well, but I could be wrong. Just that that is my feeling.
 
#29
I believe this is mostly true but the Five Elders do fear the Emperors to some extent as they were visibly worried about Shanks and Whitebeard meeting. Also while Rocks, Shiki, and others we know wanted to take over the world those are just in last few decades.... the WG have been around for 800 years so it's possible some enemies got close.
 
#30
Yeah sure,

- When Imu got mad then cuts the wanted posters of Luffy and Teach just to be satisfied.



- They can't allow Aokiji to be the fleet admiral, thus they backed their Red ''Dog'' against Aokiji, they allowed two Admirals to fight each other at Punk Hazard, to see if Akainu can become the fleet admiral or not.

Gorousei has the right to talk against Red ''Dog'' like that, because Red ''Dog'' should be their dog, if they didn't back him up against Aokiji and Sengoku, he couldn't be the Fleet Admiral, the only reason why Akainu is the Fleet Admiral is because of Gorousei and Imu. What would you say if you see that Red ''Dog'' is talking in front of you like that, after you backed him up against Sengoku and Aokiji? And because of that choice, you lost Aokiji? Akainu should've grateful to Gorousei and upper echelons of the World Government instead of talking like that.


Don't underestimate ''real marines'', I am not talking about Akainu, I am talking about the likes of Sengoku and Aokiji who can go against the wishes of the World Government when they want, you can include Fujitora to that, and perhaps secret SWORD marine faction as well, seeing that Coby is part of it.
 
#31
I thought everyone got this at first? But still good job at putting it for people who may not have understood.
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Meh, I get all the Imu hype but on the other hand before that throne scene he was scredding the bounty posters of BB, Luffy and Shiraoshi with a sword like an angry kid would do with people he hates. That gave big Spandam vibes so in the end he could just be a bigger scum than even Carlos with some super hax or simply get the ope ope operation centuries ago, maybe even some haxed power on the top of that (df, some ereditary super power like voat or the likes) but nonetheless a Spandam/Carlos character.
Why would the gorosei follow spandam lvl characters? Power is all that matters in OP. Spandam had his father, who was respected. As we know of, Im is the ultimate leader of the WG and he has to have a lot of power otherwise no one would follow him.
 
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#34
I mean, they've tried to kill Kaido on multiple occasions, and the Gorosei had a discussion on who could potentially stop Blackbeard from becoming a Yonko. Wouldn't it just be easier to eliminate Big Mom and Kaido if they could and take both their Road Poneglyphs, therefore ensuring no one could ever reach Raftel? We are told Whitebeard was the stone wall that kept all the other Pirates in check. He knew the history of the World and what D stood for, and he also knew that Roger was waiting for a specific man to turn the World upside down. He flat out refused to die until Luffy could show him that there was a bright Future for his sons. He knew was his death would bring.

Everyone has their own agenda, and uses everyone else for their own gains. Akainu flat out disrespects the the Celestial Dragons, and we can see his tolerance of them grows less and less as time goes on. Fujitora announced to the whole World that it's nobody's fault but the World Governments for what happened to Dressrosa. The World government is losing their footing. They can't even control the actions of their own people anymore, and instead of trying to correct that, they're worried about Luffy, Blackbeard, Vivi, and Shirahoshi. They're calling for a "Great Cleansing" but I think it's a little too late for that, because people are starting to wisen up to their bullshit, even their own military force.
 
#35
Smoker is also starting to realize how dumb the system is when he was given the credit for saving Alabasta and not the Strawhats. The WG only wanted an excuse to promote him and cover up the fact that the bad guys (pirates) turned out to be a hero on top of one of their own Shichibukai being corrupt to a country.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#37
Revisting all my old threads after recent chapter.. man...More so than ever now bro, some of the agenda are just flat out ridiculous lol. Starting to ignore wiki and forums in general, unless I'm in mood to make troll agenda takes.
Well, thanks for including me in the nostalgia via a low-effort meme I posted three years ago :catsweat::catsweat::catsweat:
 
#38
Shanks in on good terms because he is working with the WG.
Shanks made sure that Kaido would not interup the execution of Ace.
Someone told the Marines that Ace was Rogers son. probably it was Shanks.
Shanks went to MF and asked Sengoku to stop the war to which Sengoku oddly agreed. agreeing while stating that its because its Shanks... suspicious af.
Shanks knew the location of all the Road Poneglyphs. the only 1 that is easily accessible goes missing. interesting.
Buggy never got chased by the marines for being a Roger Pirate. yeah, cause Shanks knew that Buggy never went to Laugh Tale and does not know of the VC.
Roger went sick. WB went sick. everyone close to OP goes sick. yeah as if.
Shanks is WGs hitman!

whats most suspicious is that in OP dreams get passed on. normally dreams only get passed on when the one with the dream is unable to fulfill the dream. Shanks on the other hand gives Luffy the hat while he himself is the person closest to reaching Laugh Tale.
there is no dream being passed down here. Shanks is still actively chasing this dream. hes acting like a gatekeeper to Laugh Tale.
he makes sure that the right people reach it. and if someone else does or gets close to he offs them.
why does Shanks bait Luffy into going to Laugh Tale? because he can not go himself. for some reason.
thats why he conveniently stayed behind when the Roger Pirates went. it would have blown his cover!

*drops mic*

that is a way easier explanation.
the WG does not tolerate the Yonko, they can simply not remove them yet. not without risk of falling themselves.
Shanks is alone in MJ. even if hes a Yonko, he can not flex on the Gorosei here. not alone at least.
epic post is epic, even years down the road :pepebuggy:
 
#39
I was working on a 3 justices and their impact on the evolution of Marines. Getting into the second justice it hit me.. hold on, even though justices are important to the Marines.. how important are they to the actual World Government top dogs who run the world. So I got into some digging to find some evidence of the top WG officials: Gorosei or IMU having any references or hints about justice.... and.. I found nothing. So I scratched that thread and started up this one, so let's get into it.


We've seen the Marines stress about enforcing their justice. We have seen the Emperors talk about conquering the world. But in the end all of it is just bullshit... Let's take a look at some of this stuff:


Absolute Justice:

The Gorosei openly told Sakazuki that the Marines are just the outer face of the World Government, that's it. Marines really don't have much value for the World Government as far as ideals go, they're just there to be used by them when needed to carry out their dirty work and pretty much manage their seas. Then they're out here making deals with the 4 emperors and holding meetings with them... which goes against their so called "absolute justice" that is the main ideology of the Marines put into them by the World Government.

Conquering the world:

Kaido, Shiki, Big Mom, Xebec.. these dudes wanted/want to conquer the world. But who got even remotely close to challenging the Commander-in-Chief of the World Government.. let alone the Gorosei & Imu? None, they couldn't even sniff them let alone get close to challenging them. They either get dealt with by the Marines or just other pirates/criminals that roam around the seas.




You see while One Piece may have originally been a manga about Luffy taking down the 4 emperors for Oda, all of that changed during chapter 100, The Legend Begins, with the introduction of this man:

At this point we had no clue what he was really talking about. In fact we had no clue about his relation to Luffy or what he was about or anything at all. But that panel of "The World is waiting for our answer" set the story on a path that was higher than mere pirate battles. But that higher path the story was going to go towards was cemented with chapter 233, The World's Greatest Power, with the introduction of the Gorosei as "Supreme leaders of the World Government". The dudes who are designed after famous influential politicians/rulers of the real world.

At this point the Yonko/Admirals and such were still "the shit" you know, like what they did mattered and shit and seemed important. But then there were few panels here and there with the Gorosei that started to put that in question..Chapter 793, that pretty much showcases the Marines are nothing but a tool to the Gorosei, with their Honor not mattering at all to them or their face:

But it's like ok, the Yonko are still doing their thing you know, big dogs of the world running their own shit independent of the Gorosei.. but i'll be damned... you got Orochi making deals with the CP0 them knowing that Orochi is related to Kaido, you had them approving Doflamingo's trade and being fine with it even before that, but the ultimate "i'll be damned" moment happened in chapter 907, before Orochi-CP0 and after Doflamingo-underworld trade:


Luffy's so called "idol", and arguably the top emperor in terms of sheer prowess is having tea time discussion with the Gorosei. And they ain't even treating this dude like a threat at all. They're like "Ok kid, what do you want?? Why'd you come all the way here?? We only made this time cause you requested it so don't waste time.".. and this dude is like "Thank you for that" / "I appreciate that." But before I could've actually digested this in and connected it all BAM.. chapter 908:


Gorosei are telling the King of the World, "Just tell us the Name you want erased from history and we'll make it happen.".. yea just tell us the name of the scrub you want eliminated and we got you.

The Admirals, Yonko, Warlords, they all exist because the Gorosei & Imu are letting them exist. That is it. And why do they let them exist? Because it's them playing with the world and keeping everyone busy with each other so they can simply run the world without any big nuisance pestering them. But there is one pest that is pestering them right now that they haven't been able to take out in the last decade, Luffy's own father.. and soon it'll be luffy himself along with dozens of others once people in the OP world wake up to the reality of things that they are nothing but mere pawns playing to the tune of powers much higher than them.


Politics is the name of the game. 6 people in the world of One Piece play everyone like mere pawns in a chess game. The balance of power, and etc only exists because it's what those 6 people feel like having. Hence, Marines, Yonko, Warlords.. it's all bullshit and doesn't really matter at all. They'll only matter once these people are gotten rid of.
This kind of world building is what makes Oda stand out
The power balance of One Piece is on a different level, and ironically it is not that far from real life.
 
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