General & Others There aren't enough villains for all the alliance characters.

#22
And let us just say Oda will go the terrible writing route which he most likely will since he is a terrible writer lol then the Seraphim still get stumped by Luffy's alliance mid tier characters.
We don't even know their actual level, let alone if they could grow up after some time.

It's a little to early to sell them short.
 
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TheAncientCenturion

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#23
11 Zodiac themed Navy personnel for the Straw Hats
5 Gorosei
7 Seraphim
18 Vice Admirals (not including Smoker/Garp/Zodiac VA's)
4 Cipher Pol Agents left

I think there will be more allies in the war than named characters on the Navy's side but I'm not sure if the discrepancy will be massive.
 
#24
I opened my post with "The WG consists of over 170 ALLIED COUNTRIES" Big brain IQ over here replies with" math isn't your strong suit. "
Let us change the 170 to 1 million allied countries and it will mean the exact same thing as 0 allied countries because they are irrelevant. 170 allied countries that haven't been discussed or developed is irrelevant to the conversation. If Oda wants to continue to create these filler characters to balance the powers then I should change this thread to "Oda is a lazy writer that doesn't know how to plan ahead and develop characters that are central to the main plot of his story". I don't care about these fodder, filler countries that had one panel of screen time the entire 1000 chapters of One Piece.

Doesn't matter how many names you want to rattle off, when the potential of the WG's forces are infinitely greater. Call me crazy, but I'm sure Oda can squeeze in one or two semi decent fighters out of the hundreds of millions, if not billions of people in those 170 countries.
Umm but it does matter. Writing down a list of relevant characters to determine which side has greater numbers is how you determine which side has greater numbers. If Oda wants "to squeeze in one or two semi decent fighters" out his ass that are in par with the top tiers like Luffy, Dragon, etc. after 1000 chapters of One Piece then that is a whole different discussion of how poorly Oda has planned this final war arc.
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We don't even know their actual level, let alone if their could grow up after some time.

It's a little to early to sell them short.
Emtionless Robots aren't going to be top tier. Oda always does this, he hypes up these new characters, make them have these cool feats and then completely ignores those feats and nerfs them when the plot demands. That happens all the time and that is exactly what is going to happen to Seraphim.
 
#25
Emotionless Robots aren't going to be top tier. Oda always does this, he hypes up these new characters, make them have these cool feats and then completely ignores those feats and nerfs them when the plot demands. That happens all the time and that is exactly what is going to happen to Seraphim.
Yes, I agree and I agree that they won't become top tiers, but I think that at least Sera-Hawk, especially if he/they could grow up, will be a very tough fighter. Not a top, not on the level of Luffy or Law or Zoro EOS, but maybe Yamato or someone like her.
Also, I don't think they are emotionless. In fact, I think that Sera-Boa has already demonstrated that they have some type of feelings.

Also, Sera-Boa is another one that could grow to be very strong thanks to her ability and Lunarian defense, Sera-Kuma has one of the toughest devil's fruit out there, etc...

The Seraphis could be a torn in the alliance side.
 
#26
Let us change the 170 to 1 million allied countries and it will mean the exact same thing as 0 allied countries because they are irrelevant. 170 allied countries that haven't been discussed or developed is irrelevant to the conversation. If Oda wants to continue to create these filler characters to balance the powers then I should change this thread to "Oda is a lazy writer that doesn't know how to plan ahead and develop characters that are central to the main plot of his story". I don't care about these fodder, filler countries that had one panel of screen time the entire 1000 chapters of One Piece.



Umm but it does matter. Writing down a list of relevant characters to determine which side has greater numbers is how you determine which side has greater numbers. If Oda wants "to squeeze in one or two semi decent fighters" out his ass that are in par with the top tiers like Luffy, Dragon, etc. after 1000 chapters of One Piece then that is a whole different discussion of how poorly Oda has planned this final war arc.
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Emtionless Robots aren't going to be top tier. Oda always does this, he hypes up these new characters, make them have these cool feats and then completely ignores those feats and nerfs them when the plot demands. That happens all the time and that is exactly what is going to happen to Seraphim.
He can utilize any number of those 170 Countries however he wants to, because they exist. He doesn't need to integrate them into the storyline, until it calls for it, and guess what, a massive war consisting of the very Government that bodies all of those Countries, calls for it. He can very easily have one of the many Government affiliated militaries intercept and tie up any of the side characters of One Piece, because that's what they are, side characters. Not everyone needs to play some massive role in the EoS War. What sense does that even make to have one centralized mega power of the World, but when it comes time for a World War, only fraction of their Military might shows up? That'd be the dumbest shit ever.
 

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#27
Seraphim are created and controlled by Vegapunk. If Vegapunk doesn't have counter measures for Seraphim to obey him over the Gorosei then that is terrible writing since it goes against the whole characterization that Vegapunk is a genius.

And let us just say Oda will go the terrible writing route which he most likely will since he is a terrible writer lol then the Seraphim still get stumped by Luffy's alliance mid tier characters.
It's PIS that Vegapunk can't change the command chip but I think it's a permanent thing. So he can't change the command chain.
 
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