Current Events There Might Be A Holy Knight Stronger Than Shamrock!

[Salah WG]

Spoiler: Introduction (Not that Important)

I mentioned before how Post-TS Conflicts are like Mega Versions of Pre-TS Ones,
This doesn't mean it's a Direct Copy-Paste or They are meant to Mirror each other, but it simply means that Oda have certain Ideas that He wants to Evolve or Remake,

In Pre-TS, We had Fish-Men Conflict in East Blue Saga, followed by Saving a Kingdom in Arabasta Saga, followed by Liberating a Closed Country & Honoring a Dead Legend, followed by Stopping an Elite Squad, and Finally Surviving a Nightmare to Restore The Dawn,

Post-TS, We also had Same Ideas, it started with Fishmen (Hody), followed by Saving Dressrosa, followed by Liberating Wano & Honoring Oden, and now SHs are on the brink of facing Holy Knights (The New CP-9)

Now let me show you how Elbaph & Water 7 are so much alike: (Same Elements, but Different Scenario)

SHs visit Water 7, We get Introduced to an Elder Character (Kokoro),
We then learn that this Kokoro was Subordinate & Close Friend of Best Shipwright in Water 7 (Tom) who is Dead,
This Deceased Legend had Two Students/Successors (Like his Children) who had Opposite Personalities (Franky/Iceberg),
One of them ran for Mayor & wanted to Unite all Shipwrights, while the Second became a Villain although He was easily Strongest there,
Outcasts of Water 7 were drawn to Franky & became his Followers/Subordinates (Franky Family) alongside few Local Beasts (King Bulls),
While Iceberg had a Female Secretary & Three Loyal Subordinates,

This Island also Introduced us to a Kid Character who is a Hybrid (Chimney), alongside an Old Animal Pet (Yokozuna),
It was also revealed that Water 7 Top Shipwrights inherit a Treasure (Pluton Blueprints) for Generations (It was with Tom & then Franky),
And let's not forget New Transportation revealed & explained (Sea Train) that connects Water 7 to Enies Lobby,
Enies Lobby that is Home of CP-9 who Targeted Franky for his Possession of Pluton Blueprints,
They are led by a Man with a Sword that has Zoan Powers (Spandam), whose Father is even Higher Rank & was the one who led Genocide on Ohara Flashback, (Spandine), Spandine was also responsible for taking down Clover, who is a Member of D. & almost all Archeologists looked up to him ... etc

What i want you to do is simply compare to Elbaph & check the Story Elements that Oda Introduced so far:

Instead of Kokoro, We got Jarul,
Instead of Tom, We got Harald,
Instead of Franky & Iceberg, We got Loki & Hajrudin,
Instead of Galley-La Company, We got Hajrudin's Crew (Female + Three Loyal Friends)
Instead of Franky Family, We got those Loki Followers,
Instead of Chimney, We got Colon,
Instead of Yokozuna, We got Biblo,
Instead of Pluton Blueprints Inherited for Generations, We got a Legendary DF,
Instead of Sea Train connecting Water 7 to CP-9 HQ, We got Magic Portal connecting Elbaph to Holy Knights HQ,
(I'm 99% certain it's not Magic & simply Scientific Wormhole)
Instead of CP9, We got Holy Knights,
Instead of Spandam, We got Shamrock (PS: This doesn't mean Shamrock is a Fraud at all, They simply mirror each other in Role/Position)
Instead of Funkfreed Sword, We got Cerberus Sword,
Instead of Spandine & Ohara Incident, We got Garling & God Valley Incident,
Instead of Clover & Archeologists, We got Xebec & Pirates,
... etc

Power Levels are Different, Scenarios are Different, Personalities, Motives ... etc
But Position Wise (Role in Story), everything that existed in Water 7/Enies Lobby has it's Elbaph/Holy Knights HQ Version, (However, Opposite isn't True, because this Arc is Bigger)

This means that We still didn't get Introduced to Rob Lucci of Holy Knights, and it doesn't make sense that Oda wouldn't Introduce him in Elbaph, Luffy's Main Opponent among Holy Knights needs to appear Now, when SHs are still in this Endangered Island (Elbaph),

And conveniently, it's indeed revealed that Shamrock & Gunko (Possibly gonna be Holy Knights Version of Kalifa, so She might be the Weakest among them) are gonna Summon a Third Holy Knight, and also convenient that Luffy, Zoro & Nami are right next to that Portal (Similar to when Lucci was Introduced & Luffy/Zoro were used as his Hype Tool),

So i believe that Shamrock isn't just gonna summon any other Holy Knight, He will summon their Best! Someone Young & possibly Hyped as their Greatest Masterpiece ever, We are talking about Someone who Initially won't have any Anti-Feat despite presence of Luffy, Zoro, Gaban & Loki, i'm really excited for this Introduction, ngl. This also means that SHs aren't gonna be staying in Elbaph for long, They are gonna follow Loki & Holy Knights to their HQ through that Portal somehow,

Some Tags: @nik87 @ConquistadoR @moreha9685 @Blazing Lion @comrade @zenox @Wh1p ... etc

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

I personally disagree but great theory. Good writeup

 

[Blazing Lion]

Nice theory, you pointed a lot of parallels/similarities. So are we going to get a Blueno? Who is Gaban going to parallel or he wont have one? If SHPs go to MG like they did in EL then does that mean that that will be their final confrontation against WG? How does Zoro fighting Venus figure into all this? Will the other parties/pirates/RA also attack MG at the same time?

 

[Salah WG]

Nice theory, you pointed a lot of parallels/similarities. So are we going to get a Blueno? Who is Gaban going to parallel or he wont have one? If SHPs go to MG like they did in EL then does that mean that that will be their final confrontation against WG? How does Zoro fighting Venus figure into all this? Will the other parties/pirates/RA also attack MG at the same time?

We don't have a Gaban Parallel because it doesn't apply opposite way, Oda will Re-Introduce same Elements from Water 7/Enies Lobby because They are Ideas He Loves, but He will also introduce New Ones & Expand more,

Scenarios are also not Copy Paste, only the Players, so it doesn't mean that Luffy is gonna Destroy some Holy Knight a la Blueno, but We will have someone like Blueno among Holy Knights who is far weaker than their Best but also much Stronger than their Weakest (Basically Middle Guy),

Yes, i do believe that this is their Final Confrontation against WG even if 99% of People will Disagree, however to be more clear, i don't think it's Last Fight involving WG in some form, but it's gonna be Last where WG are "Main" Villains, cuz i believe some of them will continue to the Second Part of the Ending (Thriller Bark-Like Conflict)

This Arc will fulfill what Doffy said, basically CDs dragged out of their own Homes, just like Shandians were Forced out of theirs,
And Yes, Everyone else will join the Fight, it's gonna be a "Battle Royale" just like Oda teased, actually remember how Enies Lobby ended up Target of Buster Call repeating Ohara Incident? This means that Mary Geoise will repeat God Valley Incident, which was indeed a Battle Royale,

I expect "Everyone" to be there, it's basically how Oda will wrap-up Stories of 99% of his Characters, while Thriller Bark-Like Ending Battle is gonna be reserved only for SHs & that 1%

As for Gorosei & Imu's Role, it's Easy, since Shamrock is New Spandam, that means He is "Trigger" of this Final War (Just like Spandam planned everything & also summoned Buster Call), however, Spandam's Buster Call wasn't his, it was Aokiji's, and who led it? It was Five Vice Admirals!
So that's your Version of Imu & Gorosei, meaning Imu is New Aokiji, He will only provide this Arc's Time Bomb & War Trigger, and He is reserved for later, while Gorosei are gonna play Role of those 5 VAs, Leading this Time Bomb whatever it is

Enies Lobby was just a Mini-Version of this Final War, so those VAs didn't join in on the Fight when SHs were Fighting Marines, but this time Gorosei will Join, meaning after SHs Defeat Holy Knights, their New Objective (alongside other Allies) is to Fight Gorosei & their Army,

This actually also matches with Norse Mythology btw, based on Shamrock & Loki Interaction, and also Franky/Spandam Parallel, it's clear that Shamrock is gonna be Loki's Victim, They are Sworn Enemies, and in Norse Mythology that makes Shamrock just like Heimdall who btw is the one who blows the Horn that starts "Ragnarok"

So both Manga Parallels & Norse Mythology confirm that Shamrock is Trigger of Final War between All Factions in Land of Gods (Mary Geoise).

Imu on other hand will Continue for Post-WG Arc as One of OP World's Mysterious Four (Just like Thriller Bark),
Same for Blackbeard, Shanks & Mihawk ... etc

Holy Knights, Gorosei, CP-0, Marines who need to be taken down, BB's Commanders, Crocodile ... etc don't need to remain, this is their Final Stop.

 

[nik87]

Everything checks out, parallel wise.
However, I am not sure if Shanks' brother would take a backseat for someone other than Garling himself.

 

[DarkWitch]

This is so fucking dumb.

Shamrock is not only the commander of the Holy Knights but he is also Garling's son and Shanks's twin.

You really fucking think Oda is going to have another Holy Knight member be stronger than Shamrock.

Shamrock only used Cerberus on Loki because as he said, he didn't want to get his hands dirty.

Also these comparison feels so forced, like are you seriously trying to compare Shamrock with Spandam just because both of their swords are zoan users.

Also seeing how you are Mihawk fan, let me remind you again, that Oda is a huge Shanks fan, he literally made Shanks's father and brother all important to the story, made both of them appear in that spread about the One Piece.(The one that Mihawk never appeared in)

And you actually think, he is going to make another random Holy Knight stronger than the guy who is not only the commander but also Shanks's twin and Garling's son.

Yeah sure ok.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This is so fucking dumb.

Shamrock is not only the commander of the Holy Knights but he is also Garling's son and Shanks's twin.

You really fucking think Oda is going to have another Holy Knight member be stronger than Shamrock.

Shamrock only used Cerberus on Loki because as he said, he didn't want to get his hands dirty.

Also these comparison feels so forced, like are you seriously trying to compare Shamrock with Spandam just because both of their swords are zoan users.

Also seeing how you are Mihawk fan, let me remind you again, that Oda is a huge Shanks fan, he literally made Shanks's father and brother all important to the story, made both of them appear in that spread about the One Piece.(The one that Mihawk never appeared in)

And you actually think, he is going to make another random Holy Knight stronger than the guy who is not only the commander but also Shanks's twin and Garling's son.

Yeah sure ok.

Dumbass post. It's a good theory.

 

[zenox]

Really nice theory but I find it hard to see shanks’ twin brother being outshined by someone else

 

[RayanOO]

I don’t think so

I think Shamrock will stay the strongest HK

you don’t introduce a Shanks twin to make him second strongest, if you are a real fighter and you’re captain / in charge then you likely are the strongest member of your organisation

Only one who will be stronger is Shanks dad and new Gorosei Garling and maybe other Gorosei too

 

[Salah WG]

Everything checks out, parallel wise.
However, I am not sure if Shanks' brother would take a backseat for someone other than Garling himself.

Really nice theory but I find it hard to see shanks’ twin brother being outshined by someone else

This is why i said it's a maybe, it's hard to imagine who will Oda create to outshine Shanks Brother, so it's possible Oda simply decided to fuse Spandam & Lucci's Roles into One,

It's just that Mary Geoise Lucci needs to be someone who is Hyped as Greatest Holy Knight Ever, and i find trouble believing it's Shamrock because so far He doesn't even seem to be Superior than his Father,

 

[RayanOO]

He doesn't even seem to be Superior than his Father,

He won’t be
Because Garling narrative and importance are likely greater than Shamrock

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

He won’t be
Because Garling narrative and importance are likely greater than Shamrock

Garlic will try to take the throne from IMu

 

[Salah WG]

He won’t be
Because Garling narrative and importance are likely greater than Shamrock

In that case, i find it hard to believe Shamrock is Lucci or Katakuri or Mary Geoise,
There needs to be Someone who entire WG Hype as their Best Soldier, who is 2nd only to Imu,

So far Garling is only Candidate, and if that's True, then He is Luffy's Main Opponent indeed,
It's just that He is Old & also a Swordsman, Lucci & Katakuri were created to clash with Luffy Equally with their Fists,
I doubt Luffy's Opponent isn't a Puncher

I'm just basing my arguments on how i think Oda loves to Draw, He did it Twice before, i doubt He'd change that now,
There is only One Character that Oda can make Clash with Luffy Equally with his Punch & is Important enough to be Hyped above Shamrock, He also forms a Duo with Zoro's Opponent & both can be New Members, just like Lucci/Kaku, and that's Kid/Killer

It's only way i see them returning, They got make a Deal with the Devil to survive that, and if They were Powered-Up & turned into Holy Knights, then it's gotta be them who will Rival Luffy/Zoro

 

[nik87]

There is only One Character that Oda can make Clash with Luffy Equally with his Punch & is Important enough to be Hyped above Shamrock

What about the legendary Kong himself?

 

[Salah WG]

What about the legendary Kong himself?

He is also Old,
And He isn't Part of Holy Knights, He instead fills similar Position to Baskerville in Enies Lobby,

Hody made me remember Arlong, (Racist Fish-Man)
Doflamingo made me remember Crocodile, (Manipulative Fake Hero)
When i saw Kaidou's Final Form, i remembered Enel's Final Form, (Invincible Destroyer)
So i believe Luffy's Next Main Opponent should remind me of Rivalry between Luffy & Lucci

Kid is only Candidate i see so far,
Biggest Shanks Fan vs Biggest Shanks Hater,

Also remember that Shanks was also present in God's Valley, just like Robin,
And if Loki is this Arc's Franky, then Shanks is possibly it's Robin, i don't mean He needs Saving, but i mean He is the Main Character of this War, so Luffy's Fight should be against the one who wants to murder Shanks the Most

 

[Blax Blah]

If Shamrock is the strongest knight and his behaviour is any indication of his strength then it's joever for the knights, Dragon may solo them,

 

[ConquistadoR]

Great thread. Really interesting read.

 

[Roo]

Doesn’t the way Gunko talks to Shamrock kinda imply he’s the leader?

Besides that it would be funny if the strongest HK gets teleported to the throne room considering people think whoever gets there is screwed lol

 

[Blax Blah]

Doesn’t the way Gunko talks to Shamrock kinda imply he’s the leader?

Besides that it would be funny if the strongest HK gets teleported to the throne room considering people think whoever gets there is screwed lol

True, if Shamrock is the only top tier there by himself, he and Gunko will have to fight, Loki, Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Broggy, Dorry, Gaban, and possibly Kidd, he will get neg diffed

And if he gets another top tier to come, if they comr through the circle on the ground in the castle, that person will also get neg diffed by Luffy Zoro and Gaban unless whoever comes runs away

 

[ConquistadoR]

Doesn’t the way Gunko talks to Shamrock kinda imply he’s the leader?

Besides that it would be funny if the strongest HK gets teleported to the throne room considering people think whoever gets there is screwed lol

Shamrock is just the "Commander" ( 団長 ) ... a position of authority.
Garling was the "Supreme Commander" ( 最高司令官 ) before he became an Elder Star.
Meaning, there might just be a third character occupying Garling's former position now.