Chapter Discussion There won't be a second round, the alliance wins here and now

[Luffy is the mc]

I think it became pretty much obvious that the alliance will win the fight now. There won't be a second round, they won't need to escape or be captured somehow.

The strongest supernovas will defeat Kaido and Big Mom.

People said that the alliance would lose in Onigashima because the people of Wano needed to witness Kaido's demise. Problem solved, Kaido digged his own grave by moving Onigashima to the Flower capital.

Second point is that Big Mom also confirmed that they would kill Luffy as soon as he shows up, so whoever fights them and loses dies there.
So if Luffy loses he dies, and that is just impossible.

Does anybody still believe the alliance will lose? If yes, why? And how will they survive?

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[nik87]

We knew that already...

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Yeah, I’ve never understood how a second round is supposed to come about...Kaido already said that Wano would be his in the morning, and now that he’s literally levitating Onigashima and carrying it to the mainland, the urgency just kicked into overdrive. He, Big Mom, or both of them are going down before or shortly after they arrive at the Flower Capital, but don’t fuckin’ ask me how...

 

[Formerly Seth]

There won't be a second round nor win now.

Alliance loses and Kaido and Big Mom go out to the world.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

He, Big Mom, or both of them are going down before or shortly after they arrive at the Flower Capital, but don’t fuckin’ ask me how...

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Yeah no way the alliance lose here..it would mean death for everyone if it was the case

 

[Jew D. Boy]

 

[Bogard]

I stopped believing in the second round thing the moment I saw Marco in the arc, with Big Mom allying with Kaido to form the Rocks once more

Ever since that moment, it felt like Oda built it for all the major forces to be present, with the Rocks duo being destroyed by the major forces of the new generation

And Kaido lifting Onigashima is now used as a plot device similar to birdcage in dressrosa.

It will be the despair of the arc imo, but one thing is for sure. Kaido will go down in this round, with Luffy ultimately being the savior of Wano. There won't be another one

 

[Blother Fertitta]

The timer here is stop Koido before he drops the island. It’s kinda obvious either Luffy/Zoro/Law will split the island or cut/fuck up Koido before he reaches that place.

A second failure was debunked as soon as Luffys crew was simulated to have all died again, and then he got neg diffed. I think that was supposed to be the oh my God how will Luffy escape moment.
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Also if Luffy and Co. actually defeat 1 or (stretch) 2 Yonko this arc, he and the strawhats will solo the WG or Marygeoise easily

 

[Luffy is the mc]

We knew that already...

I've read otherwise
For me it was clear from day 1
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There won't be a second round nor win now.

Alliance loses and Kaido and Big Mom go out to the world.

Don't you think Big Mom would kill Luffy if he loses? Kaido still intends on having his HQ in Wano too.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

The idea of second round it's always absurd

You want them to be heavily defeated, captured, escaped and regroup again to fight them

 

[nik87]

I've read otherwise
For me it was clear from day 1

I have repeated it like a parrot for like a year already...

 

[Afroking]

For the rest of the cast I don't think there will be a second round. However for Luffy I think there might be one more.

 

[Finalbeta]

Add Yamato to the pot, I fairly feel like there's a good chance she will tag along the group that will take down the yonko.

I'm not 100% sure about Big Mom in particular however because Katakuri once told Luffy: "will you come back to challenge Big Mom" and he replied "yes". So that might have been a foreshadowing of a Luffy v Big Mom to come *after* the Wano events will have taken place entirely.

 

[KiriNigiri]

The main two reasons folks latched on to for why the raid would fail was-

1. The Wano Citizens must witness Kaido’s defeat
2. Wano has unresolved plot points.

Oda’s largely solved these issues. Kaido is literally hurling the island to Wano, and all the major players are on Onigashima as is, with dangling elements such as Ace’s Wano subplot, and the mystery of the Kokeshi dolls being resolved with Linlin confirming the RP is underneath the capital.

Anything else left can be addressed through post battle resolutions.

 

[HA001]

Of course theres no second round. Zkk above the flower capital just as the dawn hits.

 

[Kafkananta]

Second round theory is thrown out of window once Kaido levitated Onigashima

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Of course theres no second round. Zkk above the flower capital just as the dawn hits.

Shimotsuki November~ moon
D for Dawn

 

[Jo_Ndule]

These arguments "if they lose , they will die so they have to win"

Same thing about how alliance wouldn't lose to BMP at tea party...
How They need to win at Cacao...how they need etc...

Oda would always find a way to save the alliance

Alliance will lose . Yonko will sail outside and then when they return after 2 weeks
The final round.
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I stopped believing in the second round thing the moment I saw Marco in the arc, with Big Mom allying with Kaido to form the Rocks once more

Ever since that moment, it felt like Oda built it for all the major forces to be present, with the Rocks duo being destroyed by the major forces of the new generation

And Kaido lifting Onigashima is now used as a plot device similar to birdcage in dressrosa.

It will be the despair of the arc imo, but one thing is for sure. Kaido will go down in this round, with Luffy ultimately being the savior of Wano. There won't be another one

Yes

Act 3 will end with SNs losing to Yonko
They won't be killed coz they will saved
They will be hiding for their lives in wano...after 2 weeks , the final round

 

[Fuckthis3]

Of course they never was goin lose to begin with people just want they powerscaling to make sense over Plot "kaido one shot luffy there no way he can beat him after two weeks and also big mom there"