Chapter Discussion Thoughts on Usopp in the recent chapter?

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#12
I honestly don't know how Usopp thinks the speech he gave in any way contradicts what Gaban said. Telling Luffy, who was about to be decapitated, that a lot of people's lives and freedoms are riding on his victory, and that generations of people have sacrificed for his sake because they believe he will be the one to free the world from Imu's tyranny, is completely justified. Gaban himself is an embodiment of that sacrifice, a wise old legend who understands what it takes to become the King, and one of the core reasons Roger was able to reach that status.

Telling the man who is expected to become even greater than his captain that he needs to be better is fully warranted and necessary. Gaban is trying to drive home to Luffy that there comes a point in a person's life where they have to understand the concept of duty, the burden that comes with that duty, and the expectations that follow. It's a core part of the maturation process. Luffy is free to win in his own way, but he must win. That is his duty. And at that moment, he was losing. He was dying. That's not acceptable. Gaban wasn't telling Luffy how he had to live his life or stripping away his freedom. He was reminding him of the responsibility that comes with being the person everyone is relying on to change the world.

So Usopp's speech being framed as a counter to Gaban's doesn't really track. And if the message Oda is trying to send is that duty doesn't matter, expectations don't matter, and you should just be yourself no matter the cost or consequences, then that doesn't ring true to me. Don't mature. Ignore the hopes of those who have lost limbs for you, risked their lives for you, and sacrificed everything for you. Disregard the wisdom of those who have already walked the full length of the path you are now on. Just be free, regardless of the consequences. That isn't a message I respect. Oda had an opportunity here to truly develop Luffy as a man, I think he might have failed.
 
#18
Usopp is almost guaranteed to fight since he decided to pop out of a beard superposition just to give a speech.

Everybody there has to actively deal with Imu and nobody got off easy yet. Luffy got stabbed, Gaban lost an arm, Hajrudin got shot with bombs on his back, and Loki had a bomb put in his chest.

Usopp has big balls showing up there.
 
#19
I honestly don't know how Usopp thinks the speech he gave in any way contradicts what Gaban said. Telling Luffy, who was about to be decapitated, that a lot of people's lives and freedoms are riding on his victory, and that generations of people have sacrificed for his sake because they believe he will be the one to free the world from Imu's tyranny, is completely justified. Gaban himself is an embodiment of that sacrifice, a wise old legend who understands what it takes to become the King, and one of the core reasons Roger was able to reach that status.

Telling the man who is expected to become even greater than his captain that he needs to be better is fully warranted and necessary. Gaban is trying to drive home to Luffy that there comes a point in a person's life where they have to understand the concept of duty, the burden that comes with that duty, and the expectations that follow. It's a core part of the maturation process. Luffy is free to win in his own way, but he must win. That is his duty. And at that moment, he was losing. He was dying. That's not acceptable. Gaban wasn't telling Luffy how he had to live his life or stripping away his freedom. He was reminding him of the responsibility that comes with being the person everyone is relying on to change the world.

So Usopp's speech being framed as a counter to Gaban's doesn't really track. And if the message Oda is trying to send is that duty doesn't matter, expectations don't matter, and you should just be yourself no matter the cost or consequences, then that doesn't ring true to me. Don't mature. Ignore the hopes of those who have lost limbs for you, risked their lives for you, and sacrificed everything for you. Disregard the wisdom of those who have already walked the full length of the path you are now on. Just be free, regardless of the consequences. That isn't a message I respect. Oda had an opportunity here to truly develop Luffy as a man, I think he might have failed.
i think another reason it falls flat is because oda does this shtick with luffy almost every single arc and it's just not entertaining anymore
 
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