General & Others Timeskip was USELESS

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Herrera95

#22
Well.. yes. Yes I did expect him to get one shoted by a named attack to the head by the strongest Creature in the world.
You do realize that Sengoku is portrayal as legend and he didn't one-shotted pre timeskip Luffy. But you expected to G4 Luffy Gonkou title by Big News Morgan should be one-shotted by Kaido and 2 weeks laters fighting him toe to toe?
 
#23
Do we know how old Roger was when he conquered the Grand Line and became Pirate King? Oda also puts a lot emphasis on how strength comes from age and experience, but I can't imagine that Oda is going to do another time skip.

Unfortunately, I think he is in a jam because One Piece is written for a specific demographic. The preteen and teen boys in Japan probably won't relate to a protagonist that is 37 and conquering the seas. Luffy is still a teen but seen as someone to emulate and aspire to be like. He is young and going after his dreams. On the other hand, 19 year olds are not always the brightest and it's a time for dumb mistakes to be made. Therefore, I sometimes feel more disappointed by Luffy's maturity than his fights. He is still an entertaining character, but it seems that Oda is trying to reset him in order to appeal to his target audience.
 
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Herrera95

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Do we know how old Roger was when he conquered the Grand Line and became Pirate King? Oda also puts a lot emphasis on how strength comes from age and experience, but I can't imagine that Oda is going to do another time skip.

Unfortunately, I think he is in a jam because One Piece is written for a specific demographic. The preteen and teen boys in Japan probably won't relate to a protagonist that is 37 and conquering the seas. Luffy is still a teen but seen as someone to emulate and aspire to be like. He is young and going after his dreams. On the other hand, 19 year olds are not always the brightest and it's a time for dumb mistakes to be made. Therefore, I sometimes feel more disappointed by Luffy's maturity than his fights. He is still an entertaining character, but it seems that Oda is trying to reset him in order to appeal to his target audience.
I don't bite that "target audience" argument. Look at OP as a whole. We have RACISM, CANNIBALISM, SLAVERY. Are those subjects of "target audience"? At the same time we don't have relantionships, enough fighting material. We have people saying OP is about history and not fights. And Oda is kind of showing that. What is the issue with death? That supposed target audience love the shits we complain it lacks on OP and don't give a shit about those things we are complaining to take so much panel time.
Who gives a fuck about Hyogoro, Scabbards? Only YT content creators. I just want to see the fights and mysteries being resolved. I jumped most flashbacks even of the strawhats like the one from Robin and still felt the important moments like Robin asking for help.
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We are on common ground when it comes to the one shot moment. It’s not even consistent with Luffy tanking a superior attack in the same ark. But I still believe the time skip was absolutely necessary.
Well, my point is based on this one-shot and his huge asspulling growth in 2 weeks. His growth in timeskip could have happened during those 2 easy arcs at beginning.
 

Dr_Professor83

Professor Professor
#28
Well, my point is based on this one-shot and his huge asspulling growth in 2 weeks. His growth in timeskip could have happened during those 2 easy arcs at beginning.
It makes more sense to think that the one shot was just bullshit to hype Kaido and that Luffy has grown a good deal but not nearly as much as he did between the timeskip during this arc. It wouldn’t make sense for Kaido to one shot a commander and Luffy clearly came into Wano commander levelish. The one shot is an inconsistency. We don’t need to throw the baby out with the bathwater because of it.
 
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Herrera95

#30
Honestly Oda should've just had them go in without training right after sabaody. Have Luffy find out his brother was prisoner and have the strawhat pirates join the marine ford war.
I disagree. Sabaody > Impel Down > Marineford were great for them. Sabaody was where they realized they were too weak. Each one in their island could have their little adventure that last until Marineford to growth and after Marineford meet up again with Luffy at Sabaody.
None strawhat surviving at Marineford would be weird. What about Zoro facing Mihawk again? Robin facing Aokiji...
Imagine Boa Hancock giving her all in that war and not being in loved by Luffy, Smoker himself would take care of him. A lot would change, we would have no Impel Down, no Crocodile, Jinbei, what would be the outcome of BB?
 
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I don't bite that "target audience" argument. Look at OP as a whole. We have RACISM, CANNIBALISM, SLAVERY. Are those subjects of "target audience"? At the same time we don't have relantionships, enough fighting material. We have people saying OP is about history and not fights. And Oda is kind of showing that. What is the issue with death? That supposed target audience love the shits we complain it lacks on OP and don't give a shit about those things we are complaining to take so much panel time.
Who gives a fuck about Hyogoro, Scabbards? Only YT content creators. I just want to see the fights and mysteries being resolved. I jumped most flashbacks even of the strawhats like the one from Robin and still felt the important moments like Robin asking for help.
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Well, my point is based on this one-shot and his huge asspulling growth in 2 weeks. His growth in timeskip could have happened during those 2 easy arcs at beginning.
I should restate my argument and try to be more clear. The world that Oda has created is both creative, amazing, and dark. Of course it isn't all dark. I believe that Oda made the world of One Piece more complex with mysteries and the world grew with his audience.

Luffy is a fictional character and doesn't grow with the audience. He has shown progress but his most dramatic growth was Ace's death. He suffered a terrible loss, but realized he still has his nakama. After Ace's death and Rayleigh's training, Luffy still remains lighthearted and carefree about any danger. It is possible that Oda remains consistent with Luffy's personality and maturity because he is writing for Shonen Jump. He isn't writing a seinen manga.

I can't think of another story where the world develops and becomes more complex but the main character remains simple minded. Most stories the character grows and matures more than the world does.
 
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Herrera95

#34
I should restate my argument and try to be more clear. The world that Oda has created is both creative, amazing, and dark. Of course it isn't all dark. I believe that Oda made the world of One Piece more complex with mysteries and the world grew with his audience.

Luffy is a fictional character and doesn't grow with the audience. He has shown progress but his most dramatic growth was Ace's death. He suffered a terrible loss, but realized he still has his nakama. After Ace's death and Rayleigh's training, Luffy still remains lighthearted and carefree about any danger. It is possible that Oda remains consistent with Luffy's personality and maturity because he is writing for Shonen Jump. He isn't writing a seinen manga.

I can't think of another story where the world develops and becomes more complex but the main character remains simple minded. Most stories the character grows and matures more than the world does.
Is no big deal that development of Luffy. What is the problem with Oda writing a main character that don't got arrested all the time and put himself in danger situations for no reason at all? Zoro made a speech to him at Punk Hazard about this being New World, take that speech and throw at trash. Luffy can be the same lighthearted that fully believed in Law, X-Drake and gets anger about his nakama being "killed" by Kaido. Actually this is pretty much the only situation where Luffy being arrested makes sense.
 
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getting bounced back in a haki duel with batman
thats a anime only.
he tanked a sengoku shockwave at MF
it wasnt a shockwave punch it was a normal punch while luffy used gaint balloon the second before sengoku punching him while the platform was falling over so it wasnt the perfect situation for a full power punch, compare kaido head shot vs giant balloon body.
Doffy not 1 shotting pre-TS luffy :seriously:
he would easily rag doll luffy.

Literally Strawhats are the only Supernova crew that needed timeskip to face New World.
and how many of them joined a yonko or the navy while in the new world and the others arent luffy he already pissed off a yonko in the first island and taking her island as his own then piss off the next yonko destroying his source of smile fruit taking his one of his main business doffy then got into Big mom main island that no one else has done before then went to the main the island of the other yonko the only suernova that has done anything even close to this is kid by a large margin and luffy has done this only in 2 months or less.
 
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Herrera95

#36
and how many of them joined a yonko or the navy while in the new world and the others arent luffy he already pissed off a yonko in the first island and taking her island as his own then piss off the next yonko destroying his source of smile fruit taking his one of his main business doffy then got into Big mom main island that no one else has done before then went to the main the island of the other yonko the only suernova that has done anything even close to this is kid by a large margin and luffy has done this only in 2 months or less.
Hahahahaha.

Luffy took BM island from her... without facing any of her members.
Kid before Luffy comeback from timeskip already entered BM territory and stole something without losing too much but a hurted crew member, and he hurted the one who did that back. Kid faced Shanks(not him but his crew and maybe him) and lost his arm and also faced Kaido. Kid faced 3 Yonkos before Luffy got his first "one-shot" by one(BM didn't really one-shotted him, and don't even think about bring up BB he wasn't Yonko at Impel Down).
Bege ally to BM pretty much to kill her in my perspective. He was about to do it even without Luffy's help while Luffy is only facing Kaido because of Law and Scabbards and need all that alliance with him.
X-Drake in my perspective was always a Marine, don't remember any panel saying he only joined marines after timeskip. And again, he is there all by himself. Alone in a Yonko crew while being an enemy.
What else? Urogue also faced Snack at BM territory(many L's for BM holy shit) don't remember if he lost to Cracker or just ran away. But he is fine too.
Poor Bonney got pursuit by BB boner(not judging I would have done the same).
Besides that only Apoo and Hawkins are coward and truly ally to Yonko without many feats. Remember that Apoo two-shotted Luffy at beginning of the raid.
 
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Hahahahaha.

Luffy took BM island from her... without facing any of her members.
Kid before Luffy comeback from timeskip already entered BM territory and stole something without losing too much but a hurted crew member, and he hurted the one who did that back. Kid faced Shanks(not him but his crew and maybe him) and lost his arm and also faced Kaido. Kid faced 3 Yonkos before Luffy got his first "one-shot" by one(BM didn't really one-shotted him, and don't even think about bring up BB he wasn't Yonko at Impel Down).
Bege ally to BM pretty much to kill her in my perspective. He was about to do it even without Luffy's help while Luffy is only facing Kaido because of Law and Scabbards and need all that alliance with him.
X-Drake in my perspective was always a Marine, don't remember any panel saying he only joined marines after timeskip. And again, he is there all by himself. Alone in a Yonko crew while being an enemy.
What else? Urogue also faced Snack at BM territory(many L's for BM holy shit) don't remember if he lost to Cracker or just ran away. But he is fine too.
Poor Bonney got pursuit by BB boner(not judging I would have done the same).
Besides that only Apoo and Hawkins are coward and truly ally to Yonko without many feats. Remember that Apoo two-shotted Luffy at beginning of the raid.
its lucky that the charaters that Kid lost to are people who dont kill other pirates straight away, its lucky that akainu came before BB did anything bad to bonny, its easy to survive new world with the backing of a yonko like drake,apoo,bege and law being a warlord gets you some perks and wow what when you get try to directly attack a yonko with only your base crew you dont even see the yonko but with allies like luffy has you can crash a wendy and get the respect of the 2nd in comand.
Law and Scabbards only be alive and do their life goal because of the strawhat they get new allies because they have the abilities to help something that the SH if they skip training for those 2 years wouldnt have and all the fights that the straw hats they wouldnt survive for only a minute or less especially the monster trio would be rag dolled by their oppents, zoro would had no way of fighting pica and takeaway the lak the abilty of haki and other new moves they learnt it more they wouldnt have the physical abilty to be a threat to slow and to weak.
 
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