General & Others Timeskip was USELESS

[Dr_Professor83]

Thats exactly the problem. Oda let him beat guys like Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, but then get trashed by some robot. Then remember how he one shotted a giant at Marineford? There was no consistency in his power level back then, Oda realized hes climbing up too fast so he pushed him back significantly.

The power scaling is definitely inconsistent at times no doubt. With Moria he had shadow Luffy and also Oda went out of his way to show Moria was nothing compared to Jimbe and Doffy so that one makes plenty of sense to me. Lucci and Enel I can get behind because we really don’t have any other cannon examples of them fighting other characters. And Enel especially was the classic overconfident logia who met someone who could touch him that had more brute strength and paid for it. Crocodile however is the biggest power scaling inconsistency in the entire series lol. The amount of head cannon leaps I have to make to forge some sense of his jump from Alabasta to Marineford makes my head spin. I can only assume he was getting a training montage in Impel Down that puts Udon Prison to shame lol.

 

[Herrera95]

I hate how much people use the Cracker fight to downplay Luffy.
"He needed help" "He had plot armor"

G4 Luffy pretty much one-shotted Cracker, the issue was getting to Cracker in the first place. That's what happens when you fight someone who himself proclaimed had poor durability and instead had to rely on stalling with endless biscuits.

Like seriously, imagine if people tried to downplay Zoro because he "needed help" to fly to where Pica was in Dressrosa.

Pica never showed any danger to Zoro. Zoro needed help to save people from Pica not to defeat them.

Luffy is exactly the opposite. Cracker even hurt Luffy G4. He was using haki outside his body and being as strong or stronger than base Luffy(not a impressive feat though). If Luffy couldn't catch Cracker that is Cracker's feat. This is the same to say "Oh, Enel just lost because Luffy could hit him, imagine if Luffy wasn't able to hit Enel".

Luffy needed help to run after G4 ran out. Needed help from Nami to eat his biscuits and make him tired. Needed help from Oda to make that asspulling Tankman Form. This I can say Luffy could have win with another Boundman + KKG. But Oda wrote terribly. Luffy being fat like that after eating too much biscuits is a joke. Luffy can't win a serious fight with a joke. Look at Water Luffy, Dumb mode Luffy (aka regular Luffy). He is not winning Crocodile and Enel with this bullshit because it is just a joke. But against Cracker he does? Holy shit Oda.

 

[Ricassian]

Not sure if was 100% a Sweet Commander.

Is confirmed that was a Sweet Commander.

 

[RYNO]

Thats exactly the problem. Oda let him beat guys like Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, but then get trashed by some robot.

3 of those characters(Enel,moria,crocdile) would beat a sinlge pacifista quit easily because of their devil fruits but luffy bad match for Enel and there nightmare luffy for moria and a Pacifista wouldn't think to use liquid against crocodile you can't use DBZ powerleveling in one piece.
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Luffy needed help to run after G4 ran out. Needed help from Nami to eat his biscuits and make him tired. Needed help from Oda to make that asspulling Tankman Form.

What was asspully about tankman we know luffy gets big by eating and Cracker knew he can cut luffy even with CoA and he thought luffy was a easy target because so he thought this is best shot I don't see the asspulling.

Luffy being fat like that after eating too much biscuits is a joke. Luffy can't win a serious fight with a joke. Look at Water Luffy, Dumb mode Luffy (aka regular Luffy). He is not winning Crocodile and Enel with this bullshit because it is just a joke. But against Cracker he does? Holy shit Oda.

Tankman/fat luffy was a joke until we saw its power and luffy was planning it for a while and not sudden idea like against crocodile and Enel.
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Pica never showed any danger to Zoro. Zoro needed help to save people from Pica not to defeat them.

zoro would had zero chance against pica without the timeskip training.

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

Oda let him beat guys like Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, but then get trashed by some robot

Well technically it took three tries to beat crocodile despite already knowing his weakness, enel was at disadvantage due to devil fruit match-ups, and moria it took all of the strawhats to beat him plus the 100 shadows or whatever to beat him also the fact moria was lazy on the top of that.

Then remember how he one shotted a giant at Marineford?

Wasn't it stated that bone balloon has the strength of a giant?

 

[Herrera95]

3 of those characters(Enel,moria,crocdile) would beat a sinlge pacifista quit easily because of their devil fruits but luffy bad match for Enel and there nightmare luffy for moria and a Pacifista wouldn't think to use liquid against crocodile you can't use DBZ powerleveling in one piece.
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What was asspully about tankman we know luffy gets big by eating and Cracker knew he can cut luffy even with CoA and he thought luffy was a easy target because so he thought this is best shot I don't see the asspulling.

Tankman/fat luffy was a joke until we saw its power and luffy was planning it for a while and not sudden idea like against crocodile and Enel.
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zoro would had zero chance against pica without the timeskip training.

Enel and Crocodile can only beat Pacifista because they are not getting hurt by it. Moria can only beat Pacifista if using enough shadows and holding the power. Remember that Enel couldn't instantly knocked out Zoro or Sanji(don't remember if he hit Usopp or any other, he hit Robin though). And wash your hands before talking about DBZ powerscalling, it is way better than OP.

Tankman is asspulling, Luffy getting that fat was always a joke never a true thing. If we are taking jokes seriously now, so Nami has haki since pre-timeskip and always beat Luffy.
Tankman was one time thing only, Luffy can't go Tankman form whenever he wants. And make no sense at all he choosing Tankman to beat Cracker. Craker whole problem was getting him without losing times with his biscuits or tire him enough so he can't use his DF anymore. Oda did nothing of that and made that asspulling ending to the fight. Absolute ridiculous. Tankman WTF attack was stronger than KKG.

Zoro would high diff Pica without timeskip instead of low diff. Would make all his fights better than only low-no-neg diff everybody.

 

[RYNO]

Enel and Crocodile can only beat Pacifista because they are not getting hurt by it. Moria can only beat Pacifista if using enough shadows and holding the power. Remember that Enel couldn't instantly knocked out Zoro or Sanji(don't remember if he hit Usopp or any other, he hit Robin though). And wash your hands before talking about DBZ powerscalling, it is way better than OP.

Yeap that was my point with DF, my point with dragon ball z is that if a character A Defeats charater B and then you have character C who's equal to character A in the next arc that means character C can defeat character B that's how dbz worked but when one piece that has DF match ups it isn't easy just to say luffy beats Enel that means Enel gets beaten by a Pacifista it isn't that simple.

Tankman is asspulling, Luffy getting that fat was always a joke never a true thing. If we are taking jokes seriously now, so Nami has haki since pre-timeskip and always beat Luffy.
Tankman was one time thing only, Luffy can't go Tankman form whenever he wants.

🤨So Luffy never gets fat to be in a serious monent.

And everytime luffy uses gum gum Ballon in battle.

Zoro would high diff Pica without timeskip instead of low diff. Would make all his fights better than only low-no-neg diff everybody.

Only reason zoro was able to defeat pica was because he cut a mountain in half multiple times but pre timeskip zoro was shown cutting buildings at most there is no way that pre ts zoro could not with his normal training and tough would show the same feats and be believable.

 

[Herrera95]

Yeap that was my point with DF, my point with dragon ball z is that if a character A Defeats charater B and then you have character C who's equal to character A in the next arc that means character C can defeat character B that's how dbz worked but when one piece that has DF match ups it isn't easy just to say luffy beats Enel that means Enel gets beaten by a Pacifista it isn't that simple.

🤨So Luffy never gets fat to be in a serious monent.

And everytime luffy uses gum gum Ballon in battle.

Only reason zoro was able to defeat pica was because he cut a mountain in half multiple times but pre timeskip zoro was shown cutting buildings at most there is no way that pre ts zoro could not with his normal training and tough would show the same feats and be believable.

More or less, One Piece can have weaker characters defeating stronger characters but they are very restricted situations. Usually it is not like that. But agree, DBZ don't have this thing at all.

Luffy getting fat by eat and by his own ability is 2 different things. Everytime Luffy got fat eating he then do something to return to his normal state. His fight with Zoro at Whiskey Peak was like that, his fight with Katakuri too. Getting fat by eating is a joke, shouldn't be used to won battles.

Luffy asspulling power ups WCI and Wano(2 times now and maybe more until the end) why not everybody doing that and having better battles all the others arcs.

Zoro would have Fishmen Island to learn haki, use against Monet at Punk Hazard and getting strong enough to defeat Pica at Dressrosa.