Role Madness Too Many Doctors (Game Thread)
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Anyway, I had a bunch of quotes but I can't really be bothered posting them.
I didn't like how Ekko initially tried to pair Fuji off with me. While he didn't play it off as serious his follow up to my entrance suggests it's an angle hes going for, and I suspect he might be playing positionally.
Flower buddying with Ekko straight away is also weird, and logically her case on hime was poor. I don't just disagree with it. The notion that scum would contest a plan that, quite frankly, doesn't really guarantee anything, all because they're scum, doesn't hold up - scum are not the ones eager to draw attention to themselves that way. Contention like hime's pretty much always comes from town, and her way of working into that read wasnt very good. Also treating my slot exactly the same as Ekko which is bad.
Speaking of Ekko, his arguments on hime are pretty bad too - he initially presented it as "NAI" but then also moved into a scum read, feels like a fake thought to me.
On the topic of the plan, there are a few things that they all seem to fail to consider.
Flaw #1 - a plan is only good if it considers its executors.
Simply put, the idea of everyone targeting a player is a pipe dream. It won't happen, and even if most do, there will be enough going off shoot or inactive that no one is fully exposed by it. But let's say that they are. Once the Watcher is outed, all attempts at enforcing co-operation are moot.
Flaw #2 - Who is deciding the targets
Seems to have been skipped in consideration - who is deciding who we target? I have a solution to this, it's a bit funny actually, but I want to see what the ones making this plan think. Because I think we would agree this is the single most important part of the whole plan.
Flaw #3 - late game
How does this plan work in late game? Do we assume that the watcher will never get killed?
I do think co-operation is going to be helpful on some level. But you need to be able to accommodate people going off the beaten path so to speak. Or, like I alluded to in Flaw #2, you insert some consequence for whomever decides the target.
In terms of reads, I think Yoho, hime, Hayumi, Stargate are all possible town, to varying strengths. Flower can be town, in that she's certainly capable of presenting a read that she doesn't really believe because she's angry at someone, but I have reservations there. Ekko I think can be scum, need to see how he gets treated at large though. Would lean getting a claim there. I guess flower would be at slight scum and Ekko at lean scum.
I didn't like how Ekko initially tried to pair Fuji off with me. While he didn't play it off as serious his follow up to my entrance suggests it's an angle hes going for, and I suspect he might be playing positionally.
Flower buddying with Ekko straight away is also weird, and logically her case on hime was poor. I don't just disagree with it. The notion that scum would contest a plan that, quite frankly, doesn't really guarantee anything, all because they're scum, doesn't hold up - scum are not the ones eager to draw attention to themselves that way. Contention like hime's pretty much always comes from town, and her way of working into that read wasnt very good. Also treating my slot exactly the same as Ekko which is bad.
Speaking of Ekko, his arguments on hime are pretty bad too - he initially presented it as "NAI" but then also moved into a scum read, feels like a fake thought to me.
On the topic of the plan, there are a few things that they all seem to fail to consider.
Flaw #1 - a plan is only good if it considers its executors.
Simply put, the idea of everyone targeting a player is a pipe dream. It won't happen, and even if most do, there will be enough going off shoot or inactive that no one is fully exposed by it. But let's say that they are. Once the Watcher is outed, all attempts at enforcing co-operation are moot.
Flaw #2 - Who is deciding the targets
Seems to have been skipped in consideration - who is deciding who we target? I have a solution to this, it's a bit funny actually, but I want to see what the ones making this plan think. Because I think we would agree this is the single most important part of the whole plan.
Flaw #3 - late game
How does this plan work in late game? Do we assume that the watcher will never get killed?
I do think co-operation is going to be helpful on some level. But you need to be able to accommodate people going off the beaten path so to speak. Or, like I alluded to in Flaw #2, you insert some consequence for whomever decides the target.
In terms of reads, I think Yoho, hime, Hayumi, Stargate are all possible town, to varying strengths. Flower can be town, in that she's certainly capable of presenting a read that she doesn't really believe because she's angry at someone, but I have reservations there. Ekko I think can be scum, need to see how he gets treated at large though. Would lean getting a claim there. I guess flower would be at slight scum and Ekko at lean scum.
Actually don't mind these reads, though I disagree. The Yo Tan read is worthwhile, think your hime read is pretty poor (not saying you have to read her town, but your reasoning for her to be scum amounts to her having a belief and arguing in favour of it which is already a townie trait when scum are going to be looking to play safe, and then you've also completely failed to consider whether her mindset ever made sense under the assumption that she had no idea mafia had to skip an action to kill).
Did you read my posts? Let me help you out. Your plan might be sound in principle. It's not perfect in that the targets need to be good, but I have an ammendment that might help a bit with that which you need to give some thought to before I tell you it. But anyway. I'll use simple sentences from here.
Plan good.
People no listen.
People do own thing.
Too many do own thing
Plan no good.
You can't base the whole game strategy over an ideal plan unless you are sure you have everyone on board. That means you need to ensure you have full co-operation from everyone today. Simply saying that your plan is perfect doesn't help with that. You also need to come up with a process for selecting the target, because if you don't have one, that again everyone agrees to, your plan will not work. Is that clear enough?
Plan good.
People no listen.
People do own thing.
Too many do own thing
Plan no good.
You can't base the whole game strategy over an ideal plan unless you are sure you have everyone on board. That means you need to ensure you have full co-operation from everyone today. Simply saying that your plan is perfect doesn't help with that. You also need to come up with a process for selecting the target, because if you don't have one, that again everyone agrees to, your plan will not work. Is that clear enough?
Fook, you're just Town aren't you.
While I don't see what Ali claims that Ekko was seeking validation from his posts, but more or less aligns quite well with the vibes I'm getting.
Flower didn't even care to answer who to go for, I think she's faking content, and her feeble AtE makes me want to do the exact opposite of what she wants
While I don't see what Ali claims that Ekko was seeking validation from his posts, but more or less aligns quite well with the vibes I'm getting.
Flower didn't even care to answer who to go for, I think she's faking content, and her feeble AtE makes me want to do the exact opposite of what she wants
Really? You mean you haven't noticed that the information you pulled up isn't in this thread? Do you not think, that someone could read the OP, and reasonably conclude that there is nothing else to say about the setup, and not think to go check the sign ups because all the mechanics listed should be present in this thread? I think that's perfectly plausible, and makes sense with how she's approached it. So does it stand Flower, or are you merely hoping it stands?
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