Role Madness Too Many Doctors (Game Thread)
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And again, if you organize the Kingmaker well enough as scum it chains miskills and gives scum more control. The scenario you pointed out can never work. Zero chance people expect a player to keep killing scum. There‘s also a chance the Kingmaker is Town. In which case you expect a Townie to be correct 5 times in a row which is never working out since nobody is perfect. Which leads to the scenario I pointed out, that after one scum kill somebody will be considered cleared and has more control over who gets chosen.
Live footage of me believably faking PR as VT that even got me night killed over the actual PR.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forum...-Game-Thread?p=8526258&viewfull=1#post8526258
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forum...-Game-Thread?p=8526258&viewfull=1#post8526258
Okay let's do it this way:
Red: You've failed to ever establish this premise.
Blue: You're arguing both sides and then trying to claim that one side proves the existence of the other. Your first attempt at discrediting was to be fearful of bussing. I then pointed out that you can mitigate this be nominating the King again. Because this denies your claim that bussing is too tempting in this strategy, you then argue that because no one expects someone to go 5 for 5, then someone will always be fully cleared if they go 1 for 1. This, obviously, doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Would you ever clear a player like me because I was right on one scum? If so, why are scum leaving me alive until day, 4, for example? These are the considerations that are at play. Scum can bus, and if you are wary of that player, you can make them keep being right. And if they get it wrong, you lynch them afterwards. It also discourages scum from killing a strong player that has a good start.
If the player who gets scum isn't someone that you are wary of powerwolfing to the end, then you can make a call on whether you want them to keep being in that position or not. The point is that your argument is that, because it's not fair to expect someone to solve the whole game 5 for 5, that someone being right at any point will auto clear them. No one thinks this. Maybe you do, but that says more about you than the plan at hand. Maybe you don't, and you're desperate to construct a weakness in Kingmaker so this is what you are left with. The point is that you can't use an argument that has no real basis in reality as a means to dismiss the strategy - if people implement it poorly then frankly that's on them.
So here's the issue. If you want me to consider you to be a decent town player, then I have to believe you know that your argument is bad and then I a left to question why you're making it. Because, if I may be frank, if you genuinely believe this is a good argument that logically tracks, then I have to say I think you are disqualified from any "decent player" credibility.
Red: You've failed to ever establish this premise.
Blue: You're arguing both sides and then trying to claim that one side proves the existence of the other. Your first attempt at discrediting was to be fearful of bussing. I then pointed out that you can mitigate this be nominating the King again. Because this denies your claim that bussing is too tempting in this strategy, you then argue that because no one expects someone to go 5 for 5, then someone will always be fully cleared if they go 1 for 1. This, obviously, doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Would you ever clear a player like me because I was right on one scum? If so, why are scum leaving me alive until day, 4, for example? These are the considerations that are at play. Scum can bus, and if you are wary of that player, you can make them keep being right. And if they get it wrong, you lynch them afterwards. It also discourages scum from killing a strong player that has a good start.
If the player who gets scum isn't someone that you are wary of powerwolfing to the end, then you can make a call on whether you want them to keep being in that position or not. The point is that your argument is that, because it's not fair to expect someone to solve the whole game 5 for 5, that someone being right at any point will auto clear them. No one thinks this. Maybe you do, but that says more about you than the plan at hand. Maybe you don't, and you're desperate to construct a weakness in Kingmaker so this is what you are left with. The point is that you can't use an argument that has no real basis in reality as a means to dismiss the strategy - if people implement it poorly then frankly that's on them.
So here's the issue. If you want me to consider you to be a decent town player, then I have to believe you know that your argument is bad and then I a left to question why you're making it. Because, if I may be frank, if you genuinely believe this is a good argument that logically tracks, then I have to say I think you are disqualified from any "decent player" credibility.
Which is why my Kingmaker proposal cedes thread control entirely. I'd either die early by being wrong or left to bus my entire team, only to die anyway afterwards. And, if you're as convinced that I'm scum as you say you are, this should be perfect for you. Hell, you said earlier that you're desperate to be listened to. Was that performative, or not? Because if not, why don't you be King, and then you can sure I get solved Night 1.
Ultra didn't consider me at all btw, just as a minor point. Not in any serious capacity at least. The only one who did was Zex, because I had to push him to be seen as how I would be as town.
Ultra didn't consider me at all btw, just as a minor point. Not in any serious capacity at least. The only one who did was Zex, because I had to push him to be seen as how I would be as town.
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I believe he's quite new, cut him a little slack
Like we said, it's all about the pressure of being in the position that is the main point here, sure Scum can get free kills with it, but they stand to have a lot more at stake if they find themselves as the King.
As Town you can obviously make a wrong call, that is somewhat inevitable, but the main thing that separates Town from Scum is the burden of Knowledge. Scum has to try their best to divert suspicion from their teammates while at the same time not coming off as suspicious themselves, they have to be mindful as it is, but with all eyes on the King it creates an even greater presure on them where they will have to constantly make a decision whether or not they kill Townies or if they buss their mates to keep up the illusion.
Town doesn't have to worry about this., I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say here.
Scum can indeed get "free kills" this way, but the question is if they can keep nerves of steel.
I believe he's quite new, cut him a little slack
Like we said, it's all about the pressure of being in the position that is the main point here, sure Scum can get free kills with it, but they stand to have a lot more at stake if they find themselves as the King.
As Town you can obviously make a wrong call, that is somewhat inevitable, but the main thing that separates Town from Scum is the burden of Knowledge. Scum has to try their best to divert suspicion from their teammates while at the same time not coming off as suspicious themselves, they have to be mindful as it is, but with all eyes on the King it creates an even greater presure on them where they will have to constantly make a decision whether or not they kill Townies or if they buss their mates to keep up the illusion.
Town doesn't have to worry about this., I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say here.
Scum can indeed get "free kills" this way, but the question is if they can keep nerves of steel.
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