Questions & Mysteries Two major plot points that need to be addressed

[nik87]

Break week so I will give y'all something to talk about, if you havent immersed yourself in my latest gem:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-end-of-the-road-final-boss-of-copium.85341/


There are 2 major plot devices that have been introduced in the story which led nowhere and will likely play major roles in future:

1 - Toki's future jumping ability
2 - Sugar's ability to make everyone forget

1 - Toki's ability is a clear plot device that popped up out of nowhere and for no reason at all.
There was no need to send half of Scabbards into the future for the destined battle, the half that wasnt sent made it to the same destination.
There was no need to keep Momonosuke young, that was literally negated by rippening ability making him adult again, as if time jump didnt happen whatsoever.... This obviously begs the question - Why did Oda introduce an ability that can send people from the past into a point in future?

Who is it that will appear in the present out of nowhere?! Which ancient figure?


2 - Same thing with Sugar's ability... All this to make residents of Dressrosa forget about Kyros?
Even if we look at Dressrosa alone, this is rather a minor plot device.
Making everyone forget a guy who ends up defeating the mighty Diamante?!
I think you catch my drift... The same question arises here.

Who is it that the world forgot about?! Which ancient figure was erased from everyone's minds?

Discuss.

 

[nik87]

if you had to guess, do you think the ancient figure Toki might have sent forward is the original JoyBoy himself, or someone completely unrevealed yet?

Well, there could be several figures here...
...and it may not have been Toki at all but previous users of that fruit, maybe all the way back from 1st world.
It needs to be someone who knows about the destined war in the future, why they are jumping and exactly where in time...
If I had to guess, I would say that person is rather a foe than a friend, possibly the hidden true final villain who appears out of nowhere, similar to Kuma on Thriller Bark.
It could be Earth God, Rain god Zaza or whoever the hellfire serpent is...
Same could apply to Sugar's ability, despite the world forgetting, if written down in Harley, we could know about them.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Mind blowing thread. So Toki could have sent herself and others into a future we are not there yet. Giving Oda bad reputation isn't too much to say that Oden has a tiny little possibility to be still alive?

I don't remember much from flashback but it seems to me that she wasn't familiar with strong people like Oden and Whitebeard so I'd say she didn't thrown any power house into the future.

And Sugar... I had a feeling you were suggesting Toki in the past interacted with toys of someone who had Sugar ability. But I believe that person would be back to themselves once the one with Sugar ability died? But they would be already into the future so this is tricky. Most likely people would remember of them when the use died. But they would be nowhere to be found.

 

[Monet]

Nik chan
Even oda don't remember those

 

[Kumathegoat]

Davy and Joyboy are alive.