Powers & Abilities Understanding Asura, King of Hell and Enma Haki Flow

[ImmaIvanoM]

We haven't seen what Law's sword power are yet.. I'm guessing he's not in tuned with his Blade..

I think Wado has started to show with short Teleportation leaps..

Shusui's true power will remain unknown because Zoro didn't CoC, but it's base powers are adding Haki to flying slashes on it's own..

And Zoro never went to Ryuuma's grave either, come on..

This is all just a bunch of headcanon

this isn’t how arguments work… You don’t get create a hypothesis and then back up your hypothesis with more hypotheses… You have to have some ACTUAL FACTS in order to argue

in this one post you made up like 4 separate rules about haki and swords that literally don’t even exist in the manga… and you made up those rules to support another made up statement you made

I’m not going to argue your headcanon… I’m just going to reiterate, every assertion you made has already been disproven

 

[Rootbeer]

The problem is you brainstorm against thongs proved at manga.

That haki is invisible.

That we saw cursed blades without any magic ability.

That the same black lightning Oda draw to represent Kaido and Luffy CoC coating he did for Zoro.

You're contradicting yourself..

Haki is invisible ---> Black Lighting is visible ----> Black Lightning is Haki


How about you focus on what Kouzaburo said and that cursed blades, blades with powers are Meitos.. Sandai having the power of Ashura and such..

 

[MonsterZoro]

Bro who gives a fk luffy neg diffs this clown go fight lucci

 

[Herrera95]

You're contradicting yourself..

Haki is invisible ---> Black Lighting is visible ----> Black Lightning is Haki


How about you focus on what Kouzaburo said and that cursed blades, blades with powers are Meitos.. Sandai having the power of Ashura and such..

Haki is invisible. But ever since timeskip (since Elephant Gun with Oda poor choice of words having Luffy saying hardening) he represents armament haki painting in black (although forgetting most of time) and he choose to represent CoC coating with black lightning is his black and white manga.

Official colored doesn't mean Oda colored. Official is not cannon.

Zoro had Sandai much longer for him to use Asura only at Ennies Lobby. It is not the sword power.

 

[Wh1p]

I feel like this thread has been made 1000 times since 2022.

 

[Rootbeer]

This is all just a bunch of headcanon

this isn’t how arguments work… You don’t get create a hypothesis and then back up your hypothesis with more hypotheses… You have to have some ACTUAL FACTS in order to argue

in this one post you made up like 4 separate rules about haki and swords that literally don’t even exist in the manga… and you made up those rules to support another made up statement you made

I’m not going to argue your headcanon… I’m just going to reiterate, every assertion you made has already been disproven

Ok, lets start from the base then.. Cursed Blades are simply Meitos that the average human named different because they were afraid of their power..

Haki is invisible. But ever since timeskip (since Elephant Gun with Oda poor choice of words having Luffy saying hardening) he represents armament haki painting in black (although forgetting most of time) and he choose to represent CoC coating with black lightning is his black and white manga.

Official colored doesn't mean Oda colored. Official is not cannon.

Zoro had Sandai much longer for him to use Asura only at Ennies Lobby. It is not the sword power.

How do you know that the lightning with CoC Coating is CoC Lightning?.. For all we know it's CoA Black Lightning all the time with and without AdCoC..


Official color is the same publisher that Oda is in direct contact with for publishing his manga that provide editors to work with him..
Get real..

The length in time is irrelevant.. It's like making the argument as to why Sanji didn't use Diable Jambe in East Blue when he could have..
Oda chose when he wanted to reveal that power..

 

[trav]

Here is my quick and 100% correct breakdown.

Asura is the manifestation of Zoros spirit. Spirit and haki are often used interchangeably.
KoH is just a corny name for a set of moves that involve CoC.
Enma haki is a misnomer. There is no "Enma haki". The sword itself has no power of its own. Enma forces the user to release their own haki at an unreasonable rate that normally proves fatal. CoC is a requirement to fully control Enma.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Cursed Blades are simply Meitos that the average human named different because they were afraid of their power..

What power? This is where your headcanon starts conflicting with the manga

You read that last part “afraid of their power” to mean “afraid of their super specific power that each sword has”

The one sword in the story with a directly stated power is Enma. That’s all

Sandai Kitetsu was stated to be a “problem child” and that’s why people avoid it. That’s all there is to it.

Law’s cursed sword isn’t even characterized at all… it’s just a sword

you’re the one who read that statement to mean Each cursed sword has like a Bleach Style Bankai super power

we even saw Nidai Kitetsu and once again, it was just a sword

 

[nik87]

Here is my quick and 100% correct breakdown.

Asura is the manifestation of Zoros spirit. Spirit and haki are often used interchangeably.
KoH is just a corny name for a set of moves that involve CoC.
Enma haki is a misnomer. There is no "Enma haki". The sword itself has no power of its own. Enma forces the user to release their own haki at an unreasonable rate that normally proves fatal. CoC is a requirement to fully control Enma.

99% correct.
Little correction:
1 - "KOH a name for a set of moves that involve CoC", when paired with fuming Ryo, yes. Otherwise not, as seen in Bird Dance.
2 - "CoC needed to fully control Enma", depends on the user's ambition as the sword can "see into you". Oden controlled it without CoC.

 

[Herrera95]

How do you know that the lightning with CoC Coating is CoC Lightning?.. For all we know it's CoA Black Lightning all the time with and without AdCoC..


Official color is the same publisher that Oda is in direct contact with for publishing his manga that provide editors to work with him..
Get real..

The length in time is irrelevant.. It's like making the argument as to why Sanji didn't use Diable Jambe in East Blue when he could have..
Oda chose when he wanted to reveal that power..

There is a clear difference from the CoC black lightning from the others. Don't play the stupid now. Everyone knows about it.

Again official doesn't mean cannon. Oda can't be apart of everything. Not everything has his post approval. They have his previous approval. Anything they pull Oda already concern with it doesn't mean he saw and agreed.

The length time is relevant. Zoro had a death battle at Alabasta. If anything he should have used Asura back then

 

[Rootbeer]

What power? This is where your headcanon starts conflicting with the manga

You read that last part “afraid of their power” to mean “afraid of their super specific power that each sword has”

The one sword in the story with a directly stated power is Enma. That’s all

Sandai Kitetsu was stated to be a “problem child” and that’s why people avoid it. That’s all there is to it.

Law’s cursed sword isn’t even characterized at all… it’s just a sword

you’re the one who read that statement to mean Each cursed sword has like a Bleach Style Bankai super power

we even saw Nidai Kitetsu and once again, it was just a sword

Funny you omit the most important part as to why Sandai Kitetsu is a '' problem child ''..

'' It cuts on it's own without receiving the order to ''.. That's literally a power, along the same as Enma drawing CoA from someone without asking or Shusui adding CoA to Slashes without asking..

What the hell.. Stop lying to yourself..

There is a clear difference from the CoC black lightning from the others. Don't play the stupid now. Everyone knows about it.

Again official doesn't mean cannon. Oda can't be apart of everything. Not everything has his post approval. They have his previous approval. Anything they pull Oda already concern with it doesn't mean he saw and agreed.

The length time is relevant. Zoro had a death battle at Alabasta. If anything he should have used Asura back then

There's no difference as you said it's Black and White manga.. All black lightning is CoA with and without invisible CoC Coating..

Cap, Oda is giving the number from each color over time to his editor which is the same publication than the manga itself..


No it's irrelevant.. It only matters when Oda decide to in the story..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

'' It cuts on it's own without receiving the order to ''.. That's literally a power, along the same as Enma drawing CoA from someone without asking or Shusui adding CoA to Slashes without asking..

Which part of this translates to Ashura… because that’s what you’re saying right? That sandai Kitetsu is where Ashura comes in?… So where does problem child = Ashura to you?

Also you keep making up that Shusui adds CoA to slashes from your ass… Just making shit up… And expecting people to just accept it

 

[Herrera95]

There's no difference as you said it's Black and White manga.. All black lightning is CoA with and without invisible CoC Coating..

Cap, Oda is giving the number from each color over time to his editor which is the same publication than the manga itself..


No it's irrelevant.. It only matters when Oda decide to in the story..

Thinner lightning Armament Haki

Thicker lightning CoC coating

 

[Rootbeer]

Which part of this translates to Ashura… because that’s what you’re saying right? That sandai Kitetsu is where Ashura comes in?… So where does problem child = Ashura to you?

Also you keep making up that Shusui adds CoA to slashes from your ass… Just making shit up… And expecting people to just accept it

Don't flip the subject.. I'm establishing that Sandai Kitetsu has power by being '' Cursed '' and cutting on its own without being asked..

Zoro literally did a basic 108 pound canon and the slash from Shusui swallowed the 2 others.. That's adding Haki on its own..

Thinner lightning Armament Haki

Thicker lightning CoC coating

Sounds like lower and higher levels of CoA Black Lightning..


You can't prove that all of those aren't CoA Lightning.. In fact you can't even prove that CoC Lightning exist..

 

[Herrera95]

Sounds like lower and higher levels of CoA Black Lightning..


You can't prove that all of those aren't CoA Lightning.. In fact you can't even prove that CoC Lightning exist..

Chapter 1010 Wano Luffy had a higher level of CoA Black Lightning than G5 Egghead Luffy?

 

[Rootbeer]

Chapter 1010 Wano Luffy had a higher level of CoA Black Lightning than G5 Egghead Luffy?

Invisible CoC Coating clashes have higher CoA Black Lightning than no invisible AdCoC clash..

You don't want to take official colored into account, i don't acknowledge CoC Black Lightning..

 

[Herrera95]

Invisible CoC Coating clashes have higher CoA Black Lightning than no invisible AdCoC clash..

You don't want to take official colored into account, i don't acknowledge CoC Black Lightning..

You are headcannoning about it. And I showed non clashes too.

Cannon is not official. CoC Black Lighting are cannon. Oda is doing them. Not someone else.

 

[Rootbeer]

You are headcannoning about it. And I showed non clashes too.

Cannon is not official. CoC Black Lighting are cannon. Oda is doing them. Not someone else.

CoC Black Lightning is headcanon of yours nice try.. Only CoA Black Lightning has been shown in the Black and White Manga..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro literally did a basic 108 pound canon and the slash from Shusui swallowed the 2 others.. That's adding Haki on its own..

Pure fucking headcanon… Like I don’t even know where you get this shit from now

Also Sandai Kitetsu’s cutting thing was a problem… remember… Zoro forced it to NO LONGER DO THAT… And since then in the last 1000 chapters of the manga we are led to believe Sandai Kitetsu has never done this again

It’s not a power if Zoro has never used it for 1000 chapters of manga

 

[Herrera95]

CoC Black Lightning is headcanon of yours nice try.. Only CoA Black Lightning has been shown in the Black and White Manga..

I showed the evidences you refuse to believe and goes against manga using your headcanon