General & Others Unpopular Opinion: Most One Piece civilians being clueless on a lot of things early in the story makes sense
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My brother in Christ, the Africans and Asians in port nations are going to know about the pirates that are raiding their ships and coast lines regardless of their ethnic origin. The Red Sea and Indian Oceans were prime pirating targets. Henry Every stole the modern day equivalent of £97.1 million pounds from the Mughal Empire in a single attack. I'm pretty sure the port populations in India would have heard about this guy.
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Those three continents would definitely get news headlines and word of mouth news in every notable port of infamous pirates considering the Americas, Africa and Asia were the main hunting grounds of pirates. All three continents were part of the "Pirate Round" route.
Henry Every operated in the Atlantic and Indian oceans. His biggest haul was a Mughal Indian convoy of 25 ships heading to Mecca. He got a combined £1000 bounty on his head that led to a worldwide manhunt.
Bartholomew Roberts operated off of the Atlantic coastlines of the Americas and Africa. He died in battle near Gabon.
Henry Morgan rampaged across most of the Atlantic coastline of the Americas, hitting as far South as Panama and Venezuela.
Do I even need to explain why Asians would have most certainly heard of Zheng Yi Sao...
All these criminals would be exponentially more notorious if their battles with law enforcement were deleting portions of coastline and destroying entire settlements.
Henry Every operated in the Atlantic and Indian oceans. His biggest haul was a Mughal Indian convoy of 25 ships heading to Mecca. He got a combined £1000 bounty on his head that led to a worldwide manhunt.
Bartholomew Roberts operated off of the Atlantic coastlines of the Americas and Africa. He died in battle near Gabon.
Henry Morgan rampaged across most of the Atlantic coastline of the Americas, hitting as far South as Panama and Venezuela.
Do I even need to explain why Asians would have most certainly heard of Zheng Yi Sao...
All these criminals would be exponentially more notorious if their battles with law enforcement were deleting portions of coastline and destroying entire settlements.
It isn't about the reactions of the other Blues. It is about the fact that nearly every single big time pirate in each part of the world is known to have a devil fruit power.
If any human in reach of newspaper access doubted the existence of guns based on having never personally seen one, they would need to be an absolute retard on such a level that it would defy logic itself.
If any human in reach of newspaper access doubted the existence of guns based on having never personally seen one, they would need to be an absolute retard on such a level that it would defy logic itself.
It’s far easier to travel through our world than it is the one piece world. Did you forget the 10,000 meter tall wall splitting the earth in two and the four untraversable seas which bisect the each half? The only way any news of those battles (which are mostly few and far between) in the grand line would reach somewhere like Syrup village is through the WEJ which also runs fictional stories. No one in the East blue is unaware of the concept of devil fruits just that they really exist and aren’t a legend same thing with Germa 66
People with newspaper access doubting the existence of devil fruits makes zero sense.
Untraversable? Ships get through there with sea stone bottoms if I recall correctly. Any grunts serving on those ships can go back to their hometowns and blether about their experiences.
"Why in the world would somebody on Harris know who the Mayor of London is despite never visiting England?"
Cause they can read a smeggin newspaper.
That or the classic travelling merchant spreads word of mouth news.
Or an off duty or retired Marine goes back to his hometown to talk about Loguetown.
There are fellas beating shit out of each other in each Blue Sea with devil fruits. There are hundreds of thousands of Marines from all portions of the planet that will have experiences with devil fruits before visiting or retiring to their home sea.
People with newspaper access doubting the existence of devil fruits makes zero sense.
Untraversable? Ships get through there with sea stone bottoms if I recall correctly. Any grunts serving on those ships can go back to their hometowns and blether about their experiences.
"Why in the world would somebody on Harris know who the Mayor of London is despite never visiting England?"
Cause they can read a smeggin newspaper.
That or the classic travelling merchant spreads word of mouth news.
Or an off duty or retired Marine goes back to his hometown to talk about Loguetown.
People with newspaper access doubting the existence of devil fruits makes zero sense.
Untraversable? Ships get through there with sea stone bottoms if I recall correctly. Any grunts serving on those ships can go back to their hometowns and blether about their experiences.
"Why in the world would somebody on Harris know who the Mayor of London is despite never visiting England?"
Cause they can read a smeggin newspaper.
That or the classic travelling merchant spreads word of mouth news.
Or an off duty or retired Marine goes back to his hometown to talk about Loguetown.
You do realize each blue is a quarter of the world, right? Equatorial Guinea and Siberia are also in the same quarter of the world, that doesn’t mean they had much contact with each other. And also once again Marines in the grand line are not the same as those in the 4 blues
"Why in the world would somebody on Harris know who the Mayor of London is despite never visiting England?"
Cause they can read a smeggin newspaper.
That or the classic travelling merchant spreads word of mouth news.
Or an off duty or retired Marine goes back to his hometown to talk about Loguetown.
Cause they can read a smeggin newspaper.
That or the classic travelling merchant spreads word of mouth news.
Or an off duty or retired Marine goes back to his hometown to talk about Loguetown.
The WEJ is known to mix fact and fiction which is why Germa is also considered a myth in the blues other than the north blue. A merchant spreading news will also be consider a legend not fact there is never a case during the East Blue saga we’re characters don’t know about the existence of DFs as a concept. Most people know of it as a legend.
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You’re right it would be much harder for information to travel in the OP world
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The news being global really made some things strange, like Nami not freaking about Luffy knowing Shanks.
But i can get that East Blue is the most isolated ocean, and Goa seems to bem isolated even for EB standarts, probably being one of the most isolated countries in the world besides the ones in the Calma Belt, Wano and the placas in Florian Triangle.
U guys finding strange that with the news being global people yet not believe in things in the strange things, like in our world with internet people dont believe in basic things like
But i can get that East Blue is the most isolated ocean, and Goa seems to bem isolated even for EB standarts, probably being one of the most isolated countries in the world besides the ones in the Calma Belt, Wano and the placas in Florian Triangle.
U guys finding strange that with the news being global people yet not believe in things in the strange things, like in our world with internet people dont believe in basic things like
You guys are coping.
Oda didn't spend the last 20 years maliciously planning-out the series.
Oda spent the last 10 years writing filler and even before that, he didn't properly plan the timeline or pacing or plot points.
So now that Oda has chosen to advance the plot, we can easily see the plotholes emerging.
As the story progresses, more and more plotholes will keep emerging because the plot wasn't setup correctly.
Oda didn't spend the last 20 years maliciously planning-out the series.
Oda spent the last 10 years writing filler and even before that, he didn't properly plan the timeline or pacing or plot points.
So now that Oda has chosen to advance the plot, we can easily see the plotholes emerging.
As the story progresses, more and more plotholes will keep emerging because the plot wasn't setup correctly.
That was a recent invention by Vegapunk specifically for the marines from Navy Headquarters alone otherwise it’s untraversable. Marines stationed in the grand line are on a different lvl from those in other seas and the odds of that scenario happening are quite low.
You do realize each blue is a quarter of the world, right? Equatorial Guinea and Siberia are also in the same quarter of the world, that doesn’t mean they had much contact with each other. And also once again Marine sun the grand line are not the same as those in the 4 blues
No it’s not comparable at all a more apt comparison would be “would the average resident of 16th century Isfahan now about the lord of Burgundy”.
The WEJ is known to mix fact and fiction which is why Germa is also considered a myth in the blues other than the north blue. A merchant spreading news will also be consider a legend not fact there is never a case during the East Blue saga we’re characters don’t know about the existence of DFs as a concept. Most people know of it as a legend.
You’re right it would be much harder for information to travel in the OP world
You do realize each blue is a quarter of the world, right? Equatorial Guinea and Siberia are also in the same quarter of the world, that doesn’t mean they had much contact with each other. And also once again Marine sun the grand line are not the same as those in the 4 blues
No it’s not comparable at all a more apt comparison would be “would the average resident of 16th century Isfahan now about the lord of Burgundy”.
The WEJ is known to mix fact and fiction which is why Germa is also considered a myth in the blues other than the north blue. A merchant spreading news will also be consider a legend not fact there is never a case during the East Blue saga we’re characters don’t know about the existence of DFs as a concept. Most people know of it as a legend.
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You’re right it would be much harder for information to travel in the OP world
I’d just add that we must not imagine that we are in the 16th century with Isfahan and Burgundy. How many on this forum in 2024 can name drop any mayor of 10-30 million cities like Mexico City, Kairo, Dhaka, Sao Paolo, Kinshasa, Istanbul or even Moscow? Unless you are from say Brazil the likelyhood of you knowing the mayor of Sao Paolo is probably 0.0001 %. Even if you were from Brazil I’d wager 95 % of the population have no clue as the country itself is as big as Europe.
That was a recent invention by Vegapunk specifically for the marines from Navy Headquarters alone otherwise it’s untraversable. Marines stationed in the grand line are on a different lvl from those in other seas and the odds of that scenario happening are quite low.
Marines do move around. Smoker went from East Blue to Marine HQ, back to East Blue then back out to the Grand Line, likely taking subordinates with him each way. Garp revisits his old hometown when he has downtime, making numerous stops across East Blue with his subordinates talking about their experiences with devil fruits. He also went to East Blue on official business to deal with Axe-Hand Morgan. It is not that difficult to comprehend people talking about their experiences like normal human beings and the word being spread around.
History one ups this example again with late 16th century Elizabethan Londoners watching the two part play Tamburlaine the Great by Christopher Marlowe about the bloke who ruled Isfahan in the 14th century. Forget hearing about the guy ruling Isfahan at the time, they were hearing about the bloke who ruled Isfahan around two centuries before then.
Now imagine how much further the name of such a ruler would spread if he was a bloke famous for capturing dozens of pirates with smoke magic in a world with a globe spanning news empire, long range communications and barely any land, just easily traversable water.
Except Germa is a unique, one off deal while literally every notable or notorious individual in each corner of the planet has a devil fruit. Literally everybody of note. Nearly every high ranking Marine, every single Warlord, nearly every single Yonko, nearly every single Yonko subordinate, all the most notorious pirates of North/South/West Blue and two of the most notorious pirates of East Blue (Buggy and Luffy).
If Loguetown was the information dearth you made it out to be then nearly nobody should know of Gold Roger's last words. That would be something the World Government would actually have a vested interest in suppressing. Those words spread like wildfire all across the globe but nah, nobody in East Blue talks to each other about the events or news happening on one of the most important islands in the region. Lol.
@Owl Ki One Piss fans coping for Oda again
Just admit it's something he didn't know about or changed his mind on and move on
This is not even a big deal, it happenes in a lot of stories.
This isn't about oh why would a guy in a Russian village know about the president of Cameron?
Devil fruits are magical items that grant people superhuman abilities capable of wiping out entire nations
If in 1600's in our world people had newspapers that go everywhere, snails that act like phones and cameras etc.. and a criminal went and burned down Mexico by himself or a korean soldier used a tsunami to drown half of Japan you think people would ignore that shit?
In every corner of the world there is numerous people that have supernatural abilities, it's not something you can miss.
There are criminals that command hundreds of thousands, have their own nation's they rule or protect and have an ungoldy amount of money on their heads yet people could forget that they personaly had the ability to cause an earthquake?
Guys like WB and the Yonko's are celebrities That are probably more well known and important than someone like the Rock or Trump or Ronaldo would be in our world
The simplest thing Luffy did spread across the world so repeat that for WB, Doffy, Ace, Shiki etc.. how could anyone forget about their supernatural abilities? And if that's not enough in every different Blue there has been diffrent pirates and marines that had these abilities and could affect these civilians daily lives.
Just admit it's something he didn't know about or changed his mind on and move on
This is not even a big deal, it happenes in a lot of stories.
This isn't about oh why would a guy in a Russian village know about the president of Cameron?
Devil fruits are magical items that grant people superhuman abilities capable of wiping out entire nations
If in 1600's in our world people had newspapers that go everywhere, snails that act like phones and cameras etc.. and a criminal went and burned down Mexico by himself or a korean soldier used a tsunami to drown half of Japan you think people would ignore that shit?
In every corner of the world there is numerous people that have supernatural abilities, it's not something you can miss.
There are criminals that command hundreds of thousands, have their own nation's they rule or protect and have an ungoldy amount of money on their heads yet people could forget that they personaly had the ability to cause an earthquake?
Guys like WB and the Yonko's are celebrities That are probably more well known and important than someone like the Rock or Trump or Ronaldo would be in our world
The simplest thing Luffy did spread across the world so repeat that for WB, Doffy, Ace, Shiki etc.. how could anyone forget about their supernatural abilities? And if that's not enough in every different Blue there has been diffrent pirates and marines that had these abilities and could affect these civilians daily lives.
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Indeed, it is just a bit of early installment weirdness that some folk on this thread are being overly defensive about.
But hey, if weak "real life" examples are going to be brought up then I'm going to point out why said "real life" examples don't even work in real life, let alone One Piece.
Oda likely just thought devil fruits were cool and decided to add a ton more. Is it inconsistent? Probably. Was it the right thing to do? Sure was. Devil fruits are cool, tis better have more of them. Lol.
But hey, if weak "real life" examples are going to be brought up then I'm going to point out why said "real life" examples don't even work in real life, let alone One Piece.
Oda likely just thought devil fruits were cool and decided to add a ton more. Is it inconsistent? Probably. Was it the right thing to do? Sure was. Devil fruits are cool, tis better have more of them. Lol.
We’re talking about fodder or the Everyman here not merchants, Someone like Morgan instantly recognized a DF power right away while his Marines didn’t recognize it right away but did know what devil fruit meant
Smoker went from the East blue to the Grandline he didn’t move around a lot and Garp visiting is hometown isn’t ever implied to be the norm. Also no marine below Vice Admiral has ever been shown using DF powers especially not in the 4 blues. Nothing implies that they take their subordinates with them in fact the opposite is implied since since smoker is placed at the head of G5 and none of his old crew is with him. And once again the even in the East blue no one didn’t know about devil fruits as a concept even Marine grunts in shellstown knew of them. However hearing about something is different than seeing it.
Comparing Timur, who ruled 5% of all land on Afro-Eurasia and was responsible for the deaths of another 5%, to Smoker, a glorified police chief, is disingenuous. Moreover a play written 100 years after death doesn’t prove the average Englishman knew about Timur during his lifetime.
The execution of the pirate King is a once in a lifetime thing that people all over the world came to witness. The world government specifically made it a spectacle to set an example as explained by Garp in Chapter 0. This is clearly not the norm for Loguetown to be so populated. Loguetown or Polestar Island isn’t the most important in the East blue for anyone other than pirates since it’s their route to the grand line.
Buggy stayed on a couple of islands and generally wasn’t that well known and we have no reason to assume that all these powers were common knowledge. Hell Bonney wasn’t even known to have a DF even by the marines during her come up. Why are you making it seem like these Top Tiers are ever present When do Big Mom and the Sweet Commander or Kaido and the Calamities leave Tottoland/Wano? No marine under the rank of Vice admiral (other than Pre TS Smoker) has DF powers and even among the Vice Admirals DF powers are a rarity.
Smoker went from the East blue to the Grandline he didn’t move around a lot and Garp visiting is hometown isn’t ever implied to be the norm. Also no marine below Vice Admiral has ever been shown using DF powers especially not in the 4 blues. Nothing implies that they take their subordinates with them in fact the opposite is implied since since smoker is placed at the head of G5 and none of his old crew is with him. And once again the even in the East blue no one didn’t know about devil fruits as a concept even Marine grunts in shellstown knew of them. However hearing about something is different than seeing it.
Comparing Timur, who ruled 5% of all land on Afro-Eurasia and was responsible for the deaths of another 5%, to Smoker, a glorified police chief, is disingenuous. Moreover a play written 100 years after death doesn’t prove the average Englishman knew about Timur during his lifetime.
The execution of the pirate King is a once in a lifetime thing that people all over the world came to witness. The world government specifically made it a spectacle to set an example as explained by Garp in Chapter 0. This is clearly not the norm for Loguetown to be so populated. Loguetown or Polestar Island isn’t the most important in the East blue for anyone other than pirates since it’s their route to the grand line.
Buggy stayed on a couple of islands and generally wasn’t that well known and we have no reason to assume that all these powers were common knowledge. Hell Bonney wasn’t even known to have a DF even by the marines during her come up. Why are you making it seem like these Top Tiers are ever present When do Big Mom and the Sweet Commander or Kaido and the Calamities leave Tottoland/Wano? No marine under the rank of Vice admiral (other than Pre TS Smoker) has DF powers and even among the Vice Admirals DF powers are a rarity.
Dude, if a thousand Chinese men started growing extra limbs out of nowhere, even motherfuckers down in Liverpool would've heard about it back when Robin Hood was still kicking it about.
Here you have miraculous apples which can grant you the heavens and more, with several people putting shows all around the world to display the results of having eaten such apples, and you think rumors at least wouldn't circle to every corner of the four seas?
Here you have miraculous apples which can grant you the heavens and more, with several people putting shows all around the world to display the results of having eaten such apples, and you think rumors at least wouldn't circle to every corner of the four seas?
