Future Events Uranus is in Lili's box

#21
Very good point.
Thinking about it, the parallel between Ace & Yamato were clear since their flashbacks. Even symbolically, Yamato is the Ace of his father's card-themed crew, like Ace has the same role in Newgate's crew (and is literally named like that).

So your guess is that there's someone above Dragon in the RA Army and the same goes for Buggy in Cross Guild?
If that was the case, they must be unrevealed characters... but this far into the story? We still have to meet the Man Marked by Flames (who is hinted to be allied with the World Govt) and all the characters from the Ancient Kingdom.
Seem strange to me that such important roles will be filled this late in the story tbh.

I agree that Wano contained a lot of hints on that regard but can't quite precisely point my fingers on them. My only guess for now (simple gut feeling) is something related to the Island Dragger skull...
Exactly, I believe Dragon is trying to dethrone Celestial Dragons, but He isn't trying to Rule himself, it's not that there is someone above him in Revos Army, but I believe there must exist someone worthy of replacing CDs whom Dragon would serve after World is Saved, it's possible that He didn't meet such person yet,

As for Cross Guild, Oda waited +1000 Chapters to finally create it, so He is clearly in no rush to Introduce their Future True Leader, and imo people ignore Mihawk's Design too much, Oda wouldn't give him a cross & really highlight it for no reason, Mihawk is a religious person, meaning He believes in Higher Power (Just like Kuma's Bible wasn't for show, the guy was really a Priest & worshipped Nika), the way He talked about Fate in Marineford also strongly support this, so Cross Guild imo will be led by whoever Mihawk worships once that person returns,

As for Wano, let me give you a detail that many people missed,
The Goal was to Defeat Kaidou & by extension his Commanders, right?
But that Objective ended up much more complicated than that, let's see everything that was revealed:

1. Kaidou was boosting his Crew with Smile Fruits
2. There is a Traitor among Samurai
3. Beasts Pirates have Access to Chemical Weapons
4. Kaidou is allied with Orochi
5. Kaidou allied with Big Mom
6. CP-0 are Invited to Onigashima
7. Perospero joins the War
8. Orochi starts a Conflagration on Onigashima
9. Kaidou is flying Onigashima towards Wano Capital

These might seem like Sub-Problems that I picked, but They always caught my interest, because They created Problems that can cost Alliance the War, even if They were able to Fight Kaidou & his Commanders, now go check Act 3, what do you find?

It starts with Kid being revealed to have joined Luffy/Law Alliance against Kaidou,
Then right away, We see Denjiro join, and then shortly after, Jinbe arrives,
Each time I see one, I feel like the Narrator is saying "New Player Joined", so I wondered for how long Oda gonna keep this up?

Shortly after, we see Marco join, followed by Izou & Nekomamushi,
Then we get Introduced to Yamato who also joins the War, and shortly after, it's revealed that O-Tama secretly came to help too,
And some time later, we see Adult Momo decided to fight & help as well,
It's not like these Nine weren't obviously gonna participate, but there must be a reason Oda decided to let them join in such way, so I compared them to those Nine "Problems" I listed before & see the results for yourself:

O-Tama ended up Key Figure who countered Smile Army,
Yamato ended up the one who saved Onigashima from Kanjuro's Suicidal Attempt to Blow it up,
Marco ended up the one who slowed down Queen's Virus & helped win time for Doctors to finally cure it,
Denjiro ended up killing Orochi & saving Hiyori,
Kid ended up the one who landed final blow against Big Mom which sent her outside Onigashima to her Doom,
Izou ended up sacrificing himself to stop CP-0 from catching up to Robin,
Nekomamushi was the one who Defeated (Possibly Killed) Perospero,
Jinbe saved everyone from those Flames that consumed the Island,
Momo ended up the only one capable of stopping Flying Onigashima & He saved the Capital,

Now ofc, all of them received a lot of help & wouldn't have done it alone, but there is no way that any of this is a coincidence, the fact that those Nine "Extra" Problems ended up countered by those Nine "Extra" Act 3 Additions shows that Oda is trying to convey certain Ideas with all of these Sub-Plots,
Let me ask you, out of these Nine, who would Kaidou have a grudge against?
Denjiro for killing Orochi? Ofc not,
Jinbe or Yamato for saving Onigashima? Ofc not,
Key Trio who countered Kaidou's Plan were Tama, Kid & Momo,
Am I supposed to think it's a coincidence that one of them is a Female who can Control a Special Army? and the other One ended up creating a Powerful Cannon that sent Big Mom down a massive Hole? and the last one is a Flying Dragon who saved everyone with his Sky Powers?

Tama is how Poseidon was Created,
Kid is how Pluton was Created,
Momo is how Uranus was Created,

In other words, Ancient Villain had Sea Kings as his Army, had an Ally/Monster as Powerful as him and had World Ending Powers.
Then came a Mermaid who countered his Army, so She was labeled as Poseidon,
And came an Inventor who countered his Monster, so his Weapon was labeled as Pluton,
And came a Rightful Ruler who had same Powers as him & used it to stop his Ability, so He was labeled as Uranus,

I can actually use this entire Onigashima Raid & by Extension entire Wano Saga (From Punk Hazard) to discover much much more about Lore Piece & everything related to Ancient War.
Also, as I mentioned before, these Three Ancient Weapons are actually just 3 out of 9 Major Keys, They were labeled as so because They are directly related to Villain's Plan of World Domination, but it doesn't change the fact that there are 6 other World Changing Events that are as Important,

You can actually trace these Ideas back to before One Piece even started,
For example, a Swordsman beheading a Monster to save a Girl? I've seen that in Ryuma One-Shot, (Both Ryuma & Denjiro were Samurai)
Stopping an incoming Catastrophe? I've seen that in God's Gift For The Future One-Shot, (Both Bran & Yamato carried Prophetic Book)
A Personal Revenge Story? (Neko vs Pero) I've seen that in Ikki Yako One-Shot,
Stopping an Assassin in a Gun Duel? (Izou vs CP-0) I've seen that in Wanted! One-Shot,

Ofc, they don't perfectly match, but it's all about Ideas that Oda really wanted to draw, and these Onigashima Versions are just Teasers, the actual events that are truly represent ultimate version of what Oda wants to actually draw will happen in Final Arc, and don't forget that Luffy recruited Nine SHs, so these Nine EOS Events are Inevitable.

Sorry for long post, but I just wanted to convey the full scope of this idea, I actually had very long time to think about all this and tbh I found it to run so so deep, it covers Haki System, Kingdoms, SHs Backstories, National Treasures & much more, Oda is basing his entire Story on this "Pattern of Nine", I don't claim to have Answers, I simply know the math of how to get them, but it's so tiring & too complicated (Oda probably has all his ideas written in his Notebooks that took years to write), I rather make theories based on what little info we have, and keep the full showcase of that pattern once One Piece reaches it's final 50 Chapters,
 
#22
There is likely a connection between Lili/Vivi and the Ancient Weapons, Chapter 1121 shows us that.

When Vegapunk is talking about the Ancient Weapons, it cuts to Shirahoshi (Poseidon) and Vivi, with Skypiea underneath. As the Harley showed us, the Maxim from Skypiea is connected with the old worlds, plus their general connections to it.

Next page is about the ancient races and we see Bucaneers, Lunarians and Three Eyes

He has a page about science and we see Iceberg (genius shipwright planning on making Water 7 a floating city), Ceaser, Judge and the Weatheria scientists

It’s the Strawhats and the giants when he talks about those who refuse to bow to authority being closest to the truth

Then it finishes off by focusing on the ones who can claim One Piece, with the big famous double spread.

Basically, Vivi’s positioning opposite Shirahoshi and above Skypiea in that chapter isn‘t an accident. It’s not a chapter where Oda’s just randomly throwing in “here’s the world reacting” panels, every panel is picked deliberately to match the big finale of Vegapunks speech.

I don’t think it’s Uranus - that‘s clearly what destroyed Lulusia imo. And I think it has some connection to the Maxim. However, we do know the least abour Uranus, so it would be daft to rule it out totally.

It could be Poseidon, tbh. Poseidon has two parts, the one who will lead Shirahoshi to good, and the two sovereigns that were yet to be born. We’ve assumed that would be Luffy, but it could just as well be Vivi. (It can’t be Loki, who was already born at the time that Roger heard the Sea King prophecy).

And for Pluton, Vivi could be linked there as well. The connection is the Alabasta Poneglyph telling the location of Pluton. Pluton’s probably the most connected Ancient Weapon though - Alabasta has the location, it’s kept on Wano, it was almost certainly made by the Galleila giants on Water 7, who also have connections to Noah and may have been frozen by Ragnir?
 
#23
the two sovereigns that were yet to be born. We’ve assumed that would be Luffy
The two sovereigns are Shira and Loki.
Each representing two people at the extreme opposites of the social spectrum: a people persecuted (fishmen) and a people who persecuted (giants, i.e. Harald's speech about past crimes of the Ancient Giants).

They are mirrored by Vivi and Momo.
The two human future leaders of two equally opposed people in regard to the VC: a people who betrayed JB (via Lili) and a people who stood by JB (Kozuki & poneglyphs)
Alabasta and Wano are directly linked by Pluton itself, which was said to be hidden in the former, only to be found in the latter.
Lili tried to atone for her betrayal by helping spread the poneglyphs, by using the D. initial in her letter, and by keeping the Alabasta royalty from moving to Mariejois.

Luffy isn't a sovereign in the context of that prophecy.
He is the means by which the two sovereigns will eventually meet, as well as the vehicle that will allow Vivi to do right by JB where Lili couldn't, and for Momo to fulfill his part of the deal in the opening of Wano's borders and the arrival of dawn.
 
#24
The two sovereigns are Shira and Loki.
Each representing two people at the extreme opposites of the social spectrum: a people persecuted (fishmen) and a people who persecuted (giants, i.e. Harald's speech about past crimes of the Ancient Giants).

They are mirrored by Vivi and Momo.
The two human future leaders of two equally opposed people in regard to the VC: a people who betrayed JB (via Lili) and a people who stood by JB (Kozuki & poneglyphs)
Alabasta and Wano are directly linked by Pluton itself, which was said to be hidden in the former, only to be found in the latter.
Lili tried to atone for her betrayal by helping spread the poneglyphs, by using the D. initial in her letter, and by keeping the Alabasta royalty from moving to Mariejois.

Luffy isn't a sovereign in the context of that prophecy.
He is the means by which the two sovereigns will eventually meet, as well as the vehicle that will allow Vivi to do right by JB where Lili couldn't, and for Momo to fulfill his part of the deal in the opening of Wano's borders and the arrival of dawn.
I did think Loki, but I don’t think it can be him. It might be something has been lost in translation, but the Sea Kings say prophecy seems to talk about two people who haven’t been born yet. Loki was already born at that point.

And looking at it again, it probably rules out anyone but Luffy tbh, since the prophecy segways directly into Roger talking about the one they are waiting for being the one who will find the One Piece.
 
#26
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Exactly, I believe Dragon is trying to dethrone Celestial Dragons, but He isn't trying to Rule himself, it's not that there is someone above him in Revos Army, but I believe there must exist someone worthy of replacing CDs whom Dragon would serve after World is Saved, it's possible that He didn't meet such person yet,

As for Cross Guild, Oda waited +1000 Chapters to finally create it, so He is clearly in no rush to Introduce their Future True Leader, and imo people ignore Mihawk's Design too much, Oda wouldn't give him a cross & really highlight it for no reason, Mihawk is a religious person, meaning He believes in Higher Power (Just like Kuma's Bible wasn't for show, the guy was really a Priest & worshipped Nika), the way He talked about Fate in Marineford also strongly support this, so Cross Guild imo will be led by whoever Mihawk worships once that person returns,

As for Wano, let me give you a detail that many people missed,
The Goal was to Defeat Kaidou & by extension his Commanders, right?
But that Objective ended up much more complicated than that, let's see everything that was revealed:

1. Kaidou was boosting his Crew with Smile Fruits
2. There is a Traitor among Samurai
3. Beasts Pirates have Access to Chemical Weapons
4. Kaidou is allied with Orochi
5. Kaidou allied with Big Mom
6. CP-0 are Invited to Onigashima
7. Perospero joins the War
8. Orochi starts a Conflagration on Onigashima
9. Kaidou is flying Onigashima towards Wano Capital

These might seem like Sub-Problems that I picked, but They always caught my interest, because They created Problems that can cost Alliance the War, even if They were able to Fight Kaidou & his Commanders, now go check Act 3, what do you find?

It starts with Kid being revealed to have joined Luffy/Law Alliance against Kaidou,
Then right away, We see Denjiro join, and then shortly after, Jinbe arrives,
Each time I see one, I feel like the Narrator is saying "New Player Joined", so I wondered for how long Oda gonna keep this up?

Shortly after, we see Marco join, followed by Izou & Nekomamushi,
Then we get Introduced to Yamato who also joins the War, and shortly after, it's revealed that O-Tama secretly came to help too,
And some time later, we see Adult Momo decided to fight & help as well,
It's not like these Nine weren't obviously gonna participate, but there must be a reason Oda decided to let them join in such way, so I compared them to those Nine "Problems" I listed before & see the results for yourself:

O-Tama ended up Key Figure who countered Smile Army,
Yamato ended up the one who saved Onigashima from Kanjuro's Suicidal Attempt to Blow it up,
Marco ended up the one who slowed down Queen's Virus & helped win time for Doctors to finally cure it,
Denjiro ended up killing Orochi & saving Hiyori,
Kid ended up the one who landed final blow against Big Mom which sent her outside Onigashima to her Doom,
Izou ended up sacrificing himself to stop CP-0 from catching up to Robin,
Nekomamushi was the one who Defeated (Possibly Killed) Perospero,
Jinbe saved everyone from those Flames that consumed the Island,
Momo ended up the only one capable of stopping Flying Onigashima & He saved the Capital,

Now ofc, all of them received a lot of help & wouldn't have done it alone, but there is no way that any of this is a coincidence, the fact that those Nine "Extra" Problems ended up countered by those Nine "Extra" Act 3 Additions shows that Oda is trying to convey certain Ideas with all of these Sub-Plots,
Let me ask you, out of these Nine, who would Kaidou have a grudge against?
Denjiro for killing Orochi? Ofc not,
Jinbe or Yamato for saving Onigashima? Ofc not,
Key Trio who countered Kaidou's Plan were Tama, Kid & Momo,
Am I supposed to think it's a coincidence that one of them is a Female who can Control a Special Army? and the other One ended up creating a Powerful Cannon that sent Big Mom down a massive Hole? and the last one is a Flying Dragon who saved everyone with his Sky Powers?

Tama is how Poseidon was Created,
Kid is how Pluton was Created,
Momo is how Uranus was Created,

In other words, Ancient Villain had Sea Kings as his Army, had an Ally/Monster as Powerful as him and had World Ending Powers.
Then came a Mermaid who countered his Army, so She was labeled as Poseidon,
And came an Inventor who countered his Monster, so his Weapon was labeled as Pluton,
And came a Rightful Ruler who had same Powers as him & used it to stop his Ability, so He was labeled as Uranus,

I can actually use this entire Onigashima Raid & by Extension entire Wano Saga (From Punk Hazard) to discover much much more about Lore Piece & everything related to Ancient War.
Also, as I mentioned before, these Three Ancient Weapons are actually just 3 out of 9 Major Keys, They were labeled as so because They are directly related to Villain's Plan of World Domination, but it doesn't change the fact that there are 6 other World Changing Events that are as Important,

You can actually trace these Ideas back to before One Piece even started,
For example, a Swordsman beheading a Monster to save a Girl? I've seen that in Ryuma One-Shot, (Both Ryuma & Denjiro were Samurai)
Stopping an incoming Catastrophe? I've seen that in God's Gift For The Future One-Shot, (Both Bran & Yamato carried Prophetic Book)
A Personal Revenge Story? (Neko vs Pero) I've seen that in Ikki Yako One-Shot,
Stopping an Assassin in a Gun Duel? (Izou vs CP-0) I've seen that in Wanted! One-Shot,

Ofc, they don't perfectly match, but it's all about Ideas that Oda really wanted to draw, and these Onigashima Versions are just Teasers, the actual events that are truly represent ultimate version of what Oda wants to actually draw will happen in Final Arc, and don't forget that Luffy recruited Nine SHs, so these Nine EOS Events are Inevitable.

Sorry for long post, but I just wanted to convey the full scope of this idea, I actually had very long time to think about all this and tbh I found it to run so so deep, it covers Haki System, Kingdoms, SHs Backstories, National Treasures & much more, Oda is basing his entire Story on this "Pattern of Nine", I don't claim to have Answers, I simply know the math of how to get them, but it's so tiring & too complicated (Oda probably has all his ideas written in his Notebooks that took years to write), I rather make theories based on what little info we have, and keep the full showcase of that pattern once One Piece reaches it's final 50 Chapters,
Joyboys cock is in Lilis box
No it’s My Anus
 
#27
Exactly, I believe Dragon is trying to dethrone Celestial Dragons, but He isn't trying to Rule himself, it's not that there is someone above him in Revos Army, but I believe there must exist someone worthy of replacing CDs whom Dragon would serve after World is Saved, it's possible that He didn't meet such person yet,

As for Cross Guild, Oda waited +1000 Chapters to finally create it, so He is clearly in no rush to Introduce their Future True Leader, and imo people ignore Mihawk's Design too much, Oda wouldn't give him a cross & really highlight it for no reason, Mihawk is a religious person, meaning He believes in Higher Power (Just like Kuma's Bible wasn't for show, the guy was really a Priest & worshipped Nika), the way He talked about Fate in Marineford also strongly support this, so Cross Guild imo will be led by whoever Mihawk worships once that person returns,

As for Wano, let me give you a detail that many people missed,
The Goal was to Defeat Kaidou & by extension his Commanders, right?
But that Objective ended up much more complicated than that, let's see everything that was revealed:

1. Kaidou was boosting his Crew with Smile Fruits
2. There is a Traitor among Samurai
3. Beasts Pirates have Access to Chemical Weapons
4. Kaidou is allied with Orochi
5. Kaidou allied with Big Mom
6. CP-0 are Invited to Onigashima
7. Perospero joins the War
8. Orochi starts a Conflagration on Onigashima
9. Kaidou is flying Onigashima towards Wano Capital

These might seem like Sub-Problems that I picked, but They always caught my interest, because They created Problems that can cost Alliance the War, even if They were able to Fight Kaidou & his Commanders, now go check Act 3, what do you find?

It starts with Kid being revealed to have joined Luffy/Law Alliance against Kaidou,
Then right away, We see Denjiro join, and then shortly after, Jinbe arrives,
Each time I see one, I feel like the Narrator is saying "New Player Joined", so I wondered for how long Oda gonna keep this up?

Shortly after, we see Marco join, followed by Izou & Nekomamushi,
Then we get Introduced to Yamato who also joins the War, and shortly after, it's revealed that O-Tama secretly came to help too,
And some time later, we see Adult Momo decided to fight & help as well,
It's not like these Nine weren't obviously gonna participate, but there must be a reason Oda decided to let them join in such way, so I compared them to those Nine "Problems" I listed before & see the results for yourself:

O-Tama ended up Key Figure who countered Smile Army,
Yamato ended up the one who saved Onigashima from Kanjuro's Suicidal Attempt to Blow it up,
Marco ended up the one who slowed down Queen's Virus & helped win time for Doctors to finally cure it,
Denjiro ended up killing Orochi & saving Hiyori,
Kid ended up the one who landed final blow against Big Mom which sent her outside Onigashima to her Doom,
Izou ended up sacrificing himself to stop CP-0 from catching up to Robin,
Nekomamushi was the one who Defeated (Possibly Killed) Perospero,
Jinbe saved everyone from those Flames that consumed the Island,
Momo ended up the only one capable of stopping Flying Onigashima & He saved the Capital,

Now ofc, all of them received a lot of help & wouldn't have done it alone, but there is no way that any of this is a coincidence, the fact that those Nine "Extra" Problems ended up countered by those Nine "Extra" Act 3 Additions shows that Oda is trying to convey certain Ideas with all of these Sub-Plots,
Let me ask you, out of these Nine, who would Kaidou have a grudge against?
Denjiro for killing Orochi? Ofc not,
Jinbe or Yamato for saving Onigashima? Ofc not,
Key Trio who countered Kaidou's Plan were Tama, Kid & Momo,
Am I supposed to think it's a coincidence that one of them is a Female who can Control a Special Army? and the other One ended up creating a Powerful Cannon that sent Big Mom down a massive Hole? and the last one is a Flying Dragon who saved everyone with his Sky Powers?

Tama is how Poseidon was Created,
Kid is how Pluton was Created,
Momo is how Uranus was Created,

In other words, Ancient Villain had Sea Kings as his Army, had an Ally/Monster as Powerful as him and had World Ending Powers.
Then came a Mermaid who countered his Army, so She was labeled as Poseidon,
And came an Inventor who countered his Monster, so his Weapon was labeled as Pluton,
And came a Rightful Ruler who had same Powers as him & used it to stop his Ability, so He was labeled as Uranus,

I can actually use this entire Onigashima Raid & by Extension entire Wano Saga (From Punk Hazard) to discover much much more about Lore Piece & everything related to Ancient War.
Also, as I mentioned before, these Three Ancient Weapons are actually just 3 out of 9 Major Keys, They were labeled as so because They are directly related to Villain's Plan of World Domination, but it doesn't change the fact that there are 6 other World Changing Events that are as Important,

You can actually trace these Ideas back to before One Piece even started,
For example, a Swordsman beheading a Monster to save a Girl? I've seen that in Ryuma One-Shot, (Both Ryuma & Denjiro were Samurai)
Stopping an incoming Catastrophe? I've seen that in God's Gift For The Future One-Shot, (Both Bran & Yamato carried Prophetic Book)
A Personal Revenge Story? (Neko vs Pero) I've seen that in Ikki Yako One-Shot,
Stopping an Assassin in a Gun Duel? (Izou vs CP-0) I've seen that in Wanted! One-Shot,

Ofc, they don't perfectly match, but it's all about Ideas that Oda really wanted to draw, and these Onigashima Versions are just Teasers, the actual events that are truly represent ultimate version of what Oda wants to actually draw will happen in Final Arc, and don't forget that Luffy recruited Nine SHs, so these Nine EOS Events are Inevitable.

Sorry for long post, but I just wanted to convey the full scope of this idea, I actually had very long time to think about all this and tbh I found it to run so so deep, it covers Haki System, Kingdoms, SHs Backstories, National Treasures & much more, Oda is basing his entire Story on this "Pattern of Nine", I don't claim to have Answers, I simply know the math of how to get them, but it's so tiring & too complicated (Oda probably has all his ideas written in his Notebooks that took years to write), I rather make theories based on what little info we have, and keep the full showcase of that pattern once One Piece reaches it's final 50 Chapters,
So many things you mentioned I never noticed, especially the Tama-Kidd-Momo trio as "teasers" of the Ancient Weapons is striking when you think about it.

The whole Pattern of Nine makes sense with the examples you brought: Oda is known for being obsessive with his ideas, so it doesn't surprise me that the One Shots might be anticipations of what he's eager to draw in the Final Saga (and depicted in a smaller scale during Onigashima Raid)...

Point is: the story is so open right now that it's hard to tell what Oda's plan is.
I, for example, think that the Final War will cover different parts of the World at the same time, with its epicenter on the Red Line against Imu and his forces. But at the same time I can't blame a guy for thinking, instead, that the Final War will be fought mostly on Laugh Tale with Teach as the Main Villain...

But I think that the ending of Elbaf (and the updates from outside after it) will be decisive in finally having a more accurate guess on the path Oda is leading us into.
 
#29
In terms of Ancient Weapons, I do believe that there will be a sovereign tied to each of them.
- Shirahoshi is Poseidon, and she may serve as the “masthead” for the Noah when it is pulled to the surface.
- Momo and his command of Zunesha will be needed for Pluton. He may lead the contingent that mans that weapon.
- Loki seems to be tied to Uranus. Enel’s maxim seems to have been an imitation of it, so Loki with his lightning may be able to power it in substitution of the Mother Flame.

The 3 weapons have a purpose besides wanton destruction as implied by Joyboy’s desire to preserve them for the future. Whether it’s terraforming or something else, the sovereigns representing Land, Air and Sea will be the ones directing it.
 
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