Using AI to make creative products

#21
And you're feeding your creativity to the a i. on top of using other people's work. You're allowing a corporation to use your creativity for free because you want the result to be comparable to other work of other people. Therefore your use of a i seems to be driven by ego.


Were they asked?


Sure if you use the word inferior from a perspective of artist powerscaling ranking art for its perceived quality or esthetics.
A flawed work of a human being will always be superior than a superficially perfect looking clean a i work without soul. I bet you also watch a i slop yt videos


Are you paying the people whose art was used to train the a i? Is a a i a person? Do you also personify and talk to your spoon, table, fridge? Do you want labor laws for things?
What ai is it? For research purposes
 
#23
I think it’s fine if you write the rough draft of the plot, create the characters and the world and setting and just use it to formulate your ideas into proper sentences. Many people actually just write a script and have somebody else do the proper writing. But it’s not fine to let the AI make everything for you in my opinion. Nothing is legally stopping you as long as you have the rights for the AI usage ofc, but from an ethical point of view it would be the AI‘s story and not yours.
 
#24
I think it’s fine if you write the rough draft of the plot, create the characters and the world and setting and just use it to formulate your ideas into proper sentences. Many people actually just write a script and have somebody else do the proper writing. But it’s not fine to let the AI make everything for you in my opinion. Nothing is legally stopping you as long as you have the rights for the AI usage ofc, but from an ethical point of view it would be the AI‘s story and not yours.
We must not forget that the writing of a story is just as much storytelling as the outlining or the characters or every other elements.

At worse I'd say it's ok to do a spellcheck to prevent a work from having errors of grammar or wording etc.. but everything else is problematic, not only ethically but it also prevent us from understanding how things work in the first place.
 
#25
We must not forget that the writing of a story is just as much storytelling as the outlining or the characters or every other elements.

At worse I'd say it's ok to do a spellcheck to prevent a work from having errors of grammar or wording etc.. but everything else is problematic, not only ethically but it also prevent us from understanding how things work in the first place.
also prevents from learning and getting better
 
#27
We must not forget that the writing of a story is just as much storytelling as the outlining or the characters or every other elements.

At worse I'd say it's ok to do a spellcheck to prevent a work from having errors of grammar or wording etc.. but everything else is problematic, not only ethically but it also prevent us from understanding how things work in the first place.
I wouldn’t go that far. Sometimes people have genuinely great ideas or very creative minds and just lack the skills to put those into sentences and much creativity is lost. AI is just a simple way to correct that. It’s like saying you’re only a song writer if you make both the music and the text (which obviously isn’t true). Ofc it’s much better to hire another person to write stuff for you, but that is also expensive these days and many can’t afford that. If money isn’t an issue and if you have enough time to practice and learn some skills, then sure your way is the best one. But if you are a passionate and creative person and money and time are in your way then AI is a decent option to fix that.

And just to be clear, I‘m somebody who writes stories and songs completely by herself if I decide to dedicate some of my free time to that, but I also acknowledge that AI is a helpful tool that helps people fulfill their dreams (even though I personally dislike it and prefer pouring my own skills in what I do).
 
#28
I wouldn’t go that far. Sometimes people have genuinely great ideas or very creative minds and just lack the skills to put those into sentences and much creativity is lost.
I also agree, this is why sometimes I also think working with someone else is ok.


but that is also expensive these days and many can’t afford that.
Then there are fivers for that at the very least. But an IA can't replace that skill, not yet at least.

I'm sorry but a passionate person do not rely on AI to do 20% of the work, they either ask to people around them to help, ask a fiver, or at the very least try to learn the skill, or just wait for the opportunity. Especially when they know that AI are trained on other's work.

At best they can be corrected on the very minor things by AI (and even then, I've tested, it's dull). But to write for them, or draw or compose..

But hey, people do what they want. Until there is a crisis...
 
#29
No.

- AI Gen, no matter the license today, are trained on the work of other people that most likely didn't consent to AI training.
- AI Gen, do not creates or imagine, it copies with precision. Creativity is the art of connection and recombination. AI does not do that, AI take a work and makes copy of it through iteration and prompts. It's not a creative process. And it's usually a creative process that is denied from real people in what we call "artistic fields".

But most of all:

- AI Gen technology is based massively on the exploitation of people in the global south, the more you use it, the more you will be linked to this exploitation
- AI Gen is an environment killer as it's need in term of locals and ressources are IMMENSES. Pushing AIgen is a middle finger to any people who try to fight climatechange

No one will mind if you use chatgpt here and there, but if you start using AIgen massively and on top of that for creative purposes or to make profil, the ethical use will be gone in flammes.
People also didn't consented for future artists to use their works to improve. So is same difference.

AI creates that's how you can spot AI made artworks. It is harder when it comes to writting. Everyone jokes about AI in the past making people with more arms, fingers. There are a lot of works you can tell by the quality that it is AI made. So it is a creation not a copy. Your lack of understanding of what AI and Real art is makes you say dumb shit like that.

If I could build stories just with my ideas, I would be a billionnaires by now, I had thousands. But that's not how storytelling works. You need to understand how to write stories to make a story and you need to craft it to make it your own and not a cheap goofy copy.
Again ignorance of the ways AI works and specially how people use AI. No one should ever ask AI to build a story from scratch just giving some ideas and post whatever it created. First of all because AI itself will ask for mre details to understand better how you want to structure your story, it won't accept just the idea and start creating it randomly, it will give you tons of paths for you to go from your idea. Then after it started creating you will read and analyze if you like it or not, what it needs to change. That's exactly how I'm using AI to help me with my stories and I'm well aware that I'm not using it to the fullest because I still didn't understood how to properly promp it, there are free courses online to learn that.

You can. But be prepared to be ridiculized by artists and the major part of the internet you will show your "work" to as a whole.

If your work is yours, there is no problem, but if you use AI, it will be obvious and it will not be very qualitatif. Trust me, I checked and no IA understands how to create a story.

Remember that sentences - in case of a literary work - are ALSO a part of your story. The way you craft sentences also matters in terms of technics you use, how you shape words, what words you use, what words you don't use etc.
Ridiculized by envy artists that lives in the past. If he is selling the story than you need to buy the product first and read only then to be ridiculized. It helps his case anyway.
 
#31
People also didn't consented for future artists to use their works to improve. So is same difference.

AI creates that's how you can spot AI made artworks. It is harder when it comes to writting. Everyone jokes about AI in the past making people with more arms, fingers. There are a lot of works you can tell by the quality that it is AI made. So it is a creation not a copy. Your lack of understanding of what AI and Real art is makes you say dumb shit like that.
Again ignorance of the ways AI works and specially how people use AI. No one should ever ask AI to build a story from scratch just giving some ideas and post whatever it created. First of all because AI itself will ask for mre details to understand better how you want to structure your story, it won't accept just the idea and start creating it randomly, it will give you tons of paths for you to go from your idea. Then after it started creating you will read and analyze if you like it or not, what it needs to change. That's exactly how I'm using AI to help me with my stories and I'm well aware that I'm not using it to the fullest because I still didn't understood how to properly promp it, there are free courses online to learn that.
Ridiculized by envy artists that lives in the past. If he is selling the story than you need to buy the product first and read only then to be ridiculized. It helps his case anyway.
oh boi

I won't even start with this nonsense lol
 

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#33
I wouldn’t go that far. Sometimes people have genuinely great ideas or very creative minds and just lack the skills to put those into sentences and much creativity is lost. AI is just a simple way to correct that. It’s like saying you’re only a song writer if you make both the music and the text (which obviously isn’t true). Ofc it’s much better to hire another person to write stuff for you, but that is also expensive these days and many can’t afford that. If money isn’t an issue and if you have enough time to practice and learn some skills, then sure your way is the best one. But if you are a passionate and creative person and money and time are in your way then AI is a decent option to fix that.

And just to be clear, I‘m somebody who writes stories and songs completely by herself if I decide to dedicate some of my free time to that, but I also acknowledge that AI is a helpful tool that helps people fulfill their dreams (even though I personally dislike it and prefer pouring my own skills in what I do).
This ^

Artificial Intelligence is so powerful that healthcare professionals rely on AI engineers to develop AI models in medical imaging such as X-rays, MRIs, and CT scans that can be useful for specific diagnostics tasks they have so far reliably shown to excel at.

That of course doesn't mean that they are no more healthcare professionals or less ethical ones just because they are assisted by AI, on the contrary.

Even an English teacher can make constructive use of AI to study AI models' linguistic and historical and socioeconomic validity and confront their answers with text books and vocabularies to then eventually use them to speed up some processes, such as drafting tests for students or preparing lessons.

That doesn't mean they are automatically less qualified or ethical than an English teacher not doing so.

AI should be used to assist humans and not harm them, and also not to impair their talents and potential, rather assist them, like an extension.
 
#34
I wouldn’t go that far. Sometimes people have genuinely great ideas or very creative minds and just lack the skills to put those into sentences and much creativity is lost. AI is just a simple way to correct that. It’s like saying you’re only a song writer if you make both the music and the text (which obviously isn’t true). Ofc it’s much better to hire another person to write stuff for you, but that is also expensive these days and many can’t afford that. If money isn’t an issue and if you have enough time to practice and learn some skills, then sure your way is the best one. But if you are a passionate and creative person and money and time are in your way then AI is a decent option to fix that.

And just to be clear, I‘m somebody who writes stories and songs completely by herself if I decide to dedicate some of my free time to that, but I also acknowledge that AI is a helpful tool that helps people fulfill their dreams (even though I personally dislike it and prefer pouring my own skills in what I do).
He doesn't want poor people doing art. Only the rich.
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This ^

Artificial Intelligence is so powerful that healthcare professionals rely on AI engineers to develop AI models in medical imaging such as X-rays, MRIs, and CT scans that can be useful for specific diagnostics tasks they have so far reliably shown to excel at.

That of course doesn't mean that they are no more healthcare professionals or less ethical ones just because they are assisted by AI, on the contrary.

Even an English teacher can make constructive use of AI to study AI models' linguistic and historical and socioeconomic validity and confront their answers with text books and vocabularies to then eventually use them to speed up some processes, such as drafting tests for students or preparing lessons.

That doesn't mean they are automatically less qualified or ethical than an English teacher not doing so.

AI should be used to assist humans and not harm them, and also not to impair their talents and potential, rather assist them, like an extension.
Yup but some people rather keep others dying than to admit the benefits of AI
 
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