General & Others Vegapunk's entire message
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No. again, I made you a list of things that are lost if you skip it. Those things are narratively important. Everything is not about what we - as reader - learn, its also about what characters will learn as well.
Yes, we do.
Again, revelations are not only what matters in that type of chapters.
Because that speech is THE speech of the story.
This is not a simple rambling of a character. This is a speech that will transform the way we see the world and the way all the character see the world. This speech is a central composant of One Piece, that's why it is so long and why Oda makes so much emphasis toward it.
Its literally the entire world of One Piece watching Vegapunk. Its THE game changer. Its not just about us learning thing, its Oda creating enough momentum to end its story correctly.
And yes, the fights are irrelevants.
You don't understand that its not Vegapunk that is stalling the end of Egg Head, its the end of Egghead that was stalling for the end of the speech of Vegapunk. The entire arc was about getting that speech delivered.
People here are not the analysts they think they are. Worstgen is constituated mostly by people who trash without relevant reasons. There are issues in One Piece, but the lenght of the speech of Vegapunk is not one.
Yeah.. it worth it.
Its the most important speech in the entiere history of One Piece after all.
Yes, we do.
Again, revelations are not only what matters in that type of chapters.
Because that speech is THE speech of the story.
This is not a simple rambling of a character. This is a speech that will transform the way we see the world and the way all the character see the world. This speech is a central composant of One Piece, that's why it is so long and why Oda makes so much emphasis toward it.
Its literally the entire world of One Piece watching Vegapunk. Its THE game changer. Its not just about us learning thing, its Oda creating enough momentum to end its story correctly.
And yes, the fights are irrelevants.
You don't understand that its not Vegapunk that is stalling the end of Egg Head, its the end of Egghead that was stalling for the end of the speech of Vegapunk. The entire arc was about getting that speech delivered.
People here are not the analysts they think they are. Worstgen is constituated mostly by people who trash without relevant reasons. There are issues in One Piece, but the lenght of the speech of Vegapunk is not one.
Yeah.. it worth it.
Its the most important speech in the entiere history of One Piece after all.
Realistically, the main reason, being charitable to Oda, for this speech, is to explicitly deliver details to more casual readers (and secondly, the characters in-verse). When this sort of dialogue appeared pre-ts (like when the full story of Ohara was revealed), it would tie all the hints gradually revealed throughout the course of an arc together, and add more crucial detail to give the reader a full picture.
Good writing does more showing than telling, and has a high ratio of information to dialogue. When Oda wants to be, he can be pretty good at this. Imu calling for the Mother Flame to be ready, stating that Lulusia never existed afterwards, along with the revelation that sea levels rose immediately after Lulusia's destruction and the elders calling for a "great cleansing" was showing, not telling. A high concentration of information with nothing more than the natural of dialogue of the characters within the story, giving readers just enough pieces to put the puzzle together.
Vegapunk's speech was the opposite. It was hamfisted and drawn out. Even if you disagree on the former, whatever value was provided to casual readers and to the characters in-verse to move the plot along did not require nine chapters across four months- honestly most of the frustration wouldn't have materialized if it were contained within a chapter or two, which it easily could've been.
Skim through Alabasta, Skypeia, Water 7/EL, it's night and day versus WCI, Wano and now Egghead with how much information is conveyed to the reader per chapter. And those arcs were anything but rushed.
Good writing does more showing than telling, and has a high ratio of information to dialogue. When Oda wants to be, he can be pretty good at this. Imu calling for the Mother Flame to be ready, stating that Lulusia never existed afterwards, along with the revelation that sea levels rose immediately after Lulusia's destruction and the elders calling for a "great cleansing" was showing, not telling. A high concentration of information with nothing more than the natural of dialogue of the characters within the story, giving readers just enough pieces to put the puzzle together.
Vegapunk's speech was the opposite. It was hamfisted and drawn out. Even if you disagree on the former, whatever value was provided to casual readers and to the characters in-verse to move the plot along did not require nine chapters across four months- honestly most of the frustration wouldn't have materialized if it were contained within a chapter or two, which it easily could've been.
Skim through Alabasta, Skypeia, Water 7/EL, it's night and day versus WCI, Wano and now Egghead with how much information is conveyed to the reader per chapter. And those arcs were anything but rushed.
Yes. But the point here is not to show, its to say.
We are not in a case where the show don't tell rule apply. Here, the importance relies on the ENTIRE speech being deliver ofr:
- Us
- The ennemies
- The allies
- The rest of the world of One Piece.
What is important is not only the revelation, the important thing here is the speech ITSELF. Its nature, its presence and the fact that it was made possible.
To give you scale comprison of the importance of this speech, it would be like Einstein saying to the entire world that he found evidences proving that every countries on the planet made a deal to cover a genocide on a planet scale (multiple BILLION death) and declared war under the influence of a secret planetery agency on an alien planet without telling us.
This is not a bunch of revelation, this is the final turning point of the world of One Piece. Its literally everyone (aside from our crew) pausing what they are doing and listeniing to a world ending disaster prediction.
That's why its so long, that's why Oda put so much emphasis on it and that's why each words are important.
It's not bad writing, its very good. And the fact that a manga author can afford to do such a bold move is amazing.
We are not in a case where the show don't tell rule apply. Here, the importance relies on the ENTIRE speech being deliver ofr:
- Us
- The ennemies
- The allies
- The rest of the world of One Piece.
What is important is not only the revelation, the important thing here is the speech ITSELF. Its nature, its presence and the fact that it was made possible.
To give you scale comprison of the importance of this speech, it would be like Einstein saying to the entire world that he found evidences proving that every countries on the planet made a deal to cover a genocide on a planet scale (multiple BILLION death) and declared war under the influence of a secret planetery agency on an alien planet without telling us.
This is not a bunch of revelation, this is the final turning point of the world of One Piece. Its literally everyone (aside from our crew) pausing what they are doing and listeniing to a world ending disaster prediction.
That's why its so long, that's why Oda put so much emphasis on it and that's why each words are important.
It's not bad writing, its very good. And the fact that a manga author can afford to do such a bold move is amazing.
Well, we will see
