General & Others Vivre card confirms Kizaru mental nerf
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Bros trying to use a feat after Kizarus mind is broken
People would be far happier if they could just say "Yeah, this isn't a great look for my guy, but it isn't a concrete proof of anything"
One Piece is pretty vague manga when it comes to power scaling, no shame in waiting for more information.
Yeah and they can't do anything to Luffy
So tell me why can't they dominate him 2v1 or even 1v1 since they're superior?
"Angry Luffy" the same Luffy who then did a Goofy thing and just threw them away.
Didn't even use haki or any serious move when he caught them
"Didn't do damage to them" Saturn regens...he gets damaged. It's different from Topman whom Luffy failed to even draw blood from.
Kizaru got damaged. Him staying on the ground willingly afterwards ain't changing that.
So tell me why can't they dominate him 2v1 or even 1v1 since they're superior?
"Angry Luffy" the same Luffy who then did a Goofy thing and just threw them away.
Didn't even use haki or any serious move when he caught them
"Didn't do damage to them" Saturn regens...he gets damaged. It's different from Topman whom Luffy failed to even draw blood from.
Kizaru got damaged. Him staying on the ground willingly afterwards ain't changing that.
When did I say they are superior?
And they didn't really fight him 2v1, they attempted a single attack and that was when Kizaru was already mentally checked out.
Hard to use Haki when grabbing someone, BFRing them was a logical option.
So he left no damage on Saturn, glad we agree.
Show me the damage Kizaru took.
And they didn't really fight him 2v1, they attempted a single attack and that was when Kizaru was already mentally checked out.
Hard to use Haki when grabbing someone, BFRing them was a logical option.
So he left no damage on Saturn, glad we agree.
Show me the damage Kizaru took.
Yet he used haki very well to a point he could block snakeman base attacks easily and boasted having a better guard than Sentomaru
We know the guard is ryuo based
We've seen mental nerfed or casual top tiers still beat people easily.
Kizaru couldn't beat even Franky or Bonney so spare the excuse.
If Luffy went all out and failed to beat mental nerfed Kizaru then we could have had a discussion.
But since Luffy didn't go all out against any one in Egghead, and he still fought all of them on equal footing... they failed to beat him
Nothing will save Kizaru
Btw Kizaru debunks being weak cause he was conflicted. He told Akainu to come look if he believes he's been slacking due to what was happening.
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You're admiral fanboys
You can cope like you want
All Kizaru can do is feed Luffy. That's the best thing he can do cause 1v1 or 1v2 , he can't dominate Luffy even if he wasn't conflicted
We know the guard is ryuo based
We've seen mental nerfed or casual top tiers still beat people easily.
Kizaru couldn't beat even Franky or Bonney so spare the excuse.
If Luffy went all out and failed to beat mental nerfed Kizaru then we could have had a discussion.
But since Luffy didn't go all out against any one in Egghead, and he still fought all of them on equal footing... they failed to beat him
Nothing will save Kizaru
Btw Kizaru debunks being weak cause he was conflicted. He told Akainu to come look if he believes he's been slacking due to what was happening.
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You're admiral fanboys
You can cope like you want
All Kizaru can do is feed Luffy. That's the best thing he can do cause 1v1 or 1v2 , he can't dominate Luffy even if he wasn't conflicted
Indeed that means that his UNNERFED haki IS EVEN STRONGER than what we saw him do here
that’s all.
It’s not rocket science. It’s a factual that Haki is willpower and willpower gets weaker when you doubt yourself. The greatest haki masters in the verse have said it
in fact I think even shanks himself said it at the end of Marineford or something (maybe I’m misremembering)
Oda has repeatedly told us this so it is factually impossible to say Kizaru’s as fighting at full power. It’s impossible
also Kizaru is a liar. He fed Luffy… That alone proves he’s been doing way more than just slacking off… Whatever he tells Akainu is obviously a lie… He didn’t tell Akainu he helped Luffy did he?
that’s all.
It’s not rocket science. It’s a factual that Haki is willpower and willpower gets weaker when you doubt yourself. The greatest haki masters in the verse have said it
in fact I think even shanks himself said it at the end of Marineford or something (maybe I’m misremembering)
Oda has repeatedly told us this so it is factually impossible to say Kizaru’s as fighting at full power. It’s impossible
also Kizaru is a liar. He fed Luffy… That alone proves he’s been doing way more than just slacking off… Whatever he tells Akainu is obviously a lie… He didn’t tell Akainu he helped Luffy did he?
Vivre Card also confirmed he was wavering and was indecisive.
Seems pretty clear, it's Condomover
-Round 1 he was wavering. Still adapted to G5 flawlessly.
-Then he fed Luffy after faking being down to WSG.
-Round 2 his mind was completely broken, essentially giving himself up. So Pizza feats holds zero weight exactly.
A lot of people were saying all 3 of these things, but I've never in my time here seen a character get hit with such a downgrade (Luffy) with one confirmation after another retroactively. You can't with a straight face see all this and come to the conclusion that Luffy beats Kizaru, it's a bare faced lie.
