Powers & Abilities Vol 103 SBS: Sanji's Invisibility comes from Speed, not Exoskeleton

[Chrono]

Everytime a character used high speed movement, they disappeared on panel. Niji, Luffy, Zoro, Mr Go etc. If it was something new, Queen would not label it high speed movement.

That's literally what COO is for...to sense what you can't see. Luffy was trained in COO with a blindfold on.
You are mistakenly comparing inability to react to inability to see. Luffy blitzed Lucci as well and vice versa.

If that was the case, characters would not be disappearing on panel and Queen would not labeling as high speed movement

Not everytime. High speed movement is basically Soru. And no sometimes we see a few lines indicating the people. Thats not disappearing. As we see others easily seeing through them.

First of all CoO will not save you against someone who can move faster than your eyessight. If your eyes cant react to their speed then your body defintely will not be able to react. So yes in general CoO is fricking useless against someone invisible to you.

Hell no Lucci could easily see G2 Luffy. And even so....just cause Pre Timeskip G2 Luffy moved invisible to Blueno would that mean he'd move invisible Kaido ? Again nope. Being invisible to one person doesnt mean your inivisible to everyone.

Yes Queen would see Kuro's fodder movement with ease and would be nothing to him. So like I said invisible to one person /=/ invisible to the verse.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

- Losing RS
- Exoskeleton's regen doesn't include faster healing
- Exoskeleton's invisibility doesn't manifest

Only Exoskeleton's durability retained.

Next thing you know, Sanji's superspeed rendered null because NARRATIVELY, Sanji must get hit by his future opponent.

Now people won't say that Sanji gets as many upgrades as Luffy and Zoro in this arc.

 

[langitbarat]

- Losing RS
- Exoskeleton's regen doesn't include faster healing
- Exoskeleton's invisibility doesn't manifest

Only Exoskeleton's durability retained.

Next thing you know, Sanji's superspeed rendered null because NARRATIVELY, Sanji must get hit by his future opponent.

Now people won't say that Sanji gets as many upgrades as Luffy and Zoro in this arc.

Supposedly Oda wants to tone down Sanji and pervertedness, this way Exoskeleton's Invisibility is sacrificed.
But if this is the case, just say in SBS that Exoskeleton invis won't work in bath because Sanji's mind and body react differently.
This "moral" change only cost Sanji, sigh...

Sanji always excel on both sides: combat and non-combat, comedy and drama, pervert and heroic, it's no strange if he... gets buffed and nerfed at the same time.

 

[mrtsrdr]

some people are so retard :) sanji can go any speed that he want . Only limitation is his body . Thanks to the exoskeleton durability , sanji generate hottest flame in the universe . Just check luffys advanced armament haki red roc attack . Still orange flame . Sanji is such a fast . Only opponent is light .

 

[Steven]

You guys rly need to learn what FTE means

Something like invisible speed dont exist

 

[Geo]

Not everytime. High speed movement is basically Soru. And no sometimes we see a few lines indicating the people. Thats not disappearing. As we see others easily seeing through them.

First of all CoO will not save you against someone who can move faster than your eyessight. If your eyes cant react to their speed then your body defintely will not be able to react. So yes in general CoO is fricking useless against someone invisible to you.

Hell no Lucci could easily see G2 Luffy. And even so....just cause Pre Timeskip G2 Luffy moved invisible to Blueno would that mean he'd move invisible Kaido ? Again nope. Being invisible to one person doesnt mean your inivisible to everyone.

Yes Queen would see Kuro's fodder movement with ease and would be nothing to him. So like I said invisible to one person /=/ invisible to the verse.

You are conflating too things.
On panel means as drawn, whenever a character uses high speed movement, they vanish. It does not mean that they will vanish to everyone but it means that they will be drawn as though they vanish.

COO is not based on eyesight so you are already wrong there.
Again wrong logic, COO predicts intent, therefore if your body cannot react to a characters speed, then you cannot do anything even though you predicted what will happen. Hence my point that Queen will still be able to react to Kuro because not all high speed movements are the same. So saying COO is useless is completely false.

Lucci was blitzed by G2 at least once and vice versa. Seems I need to clarify my point. Invisible to one person does not mean you are invisible to everyone...that's not my point. My point is using high speed movement = bring drawn as invisible.

Whenever Oda draws a character as invisible due to speed, it is because they are using high speed movement. However, not all high speed movement are the same speed so it still depends on the opponent to react

 

[Chrono]

Seems you already changing goal posts. Im done here.

Seems I need to clarify my point. Invisible to one person does not mean you are invisible to everyone...that's not my point.

Yes he would be invisible but Queen would be able to react

 

[Peroroncino]

this also confirms sanji's speed comes from best daddy judge, like oda said the ''power of science''

 

[RoronoaZorro]

this also confirms sanji's speed comes from best daddy judge, like oda said the ''power of science''

Yeah. That's the fate of someone born with less talent.

 

[Geo]

Seems you already changing goal posts. Im done here.

There is no goal post. Obviously I was talking about how it's drawn when I said Kuro will be invisible, which is a character vanishing.

I had to clarify since you were conflating it.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Wasn’t this known since the introduction to the ability?

 

[Chrono]

There is no goal post. Obviously I was talking about how it's drawn when I said Kuro will be invisible, which is a character vanishing.

I had to clarify since you were conflating it.

Nah you said Kuro would be invisible to Queen.

 

[Chaves]

Wasn’t this known since the introduction to the ability?

Because some haters kept saying that Sanji only became invisible because Queen was slow, and not because Sanji was actually invisible lmfao, it may sound silly, but the vast majority of the fandom that shits on Sanji all day was arguing that

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Because some haters kept saying that Sanji only became invisible because Queen was slow, and not because Sanji was actually invisible lmfao, it may sound silly, but the vast majority of the fandom that shits on Sanji all day was arguing that

I think the interesting part of this quote is the “”around power of science.

 

[Geo]

Nah you said Kuro would be invisible to Queen.

I said he would be invisible but Queen would be able to react

 

[Robin swan]

The exoskeleton boosted all his stats so yea it came from his exoskeleton. It's still sanji's speed it's not like you can just separate the exoskeleton from Sanji. All post exoskeleton feats are because of the exoskeleton.

It'd be like trying to argue Luffy grabbed a lightning bolt because of strength and not g5. You can't separate the 2 because his strength boost is directly linked to g5.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The exoskeleton boosted all his stats so yea it came from his exoskeleton. It's still sanji's speed it's not like you can just separate the exoskeleton from Sanji. All post exoskeleton feats are because of the exoskeleton.

It'd be like trying to argue Luffy grabbed a lightning bolt because of strength and not g5. You can't separate the 2 because his strength boost is directly linked to g5.

You can when Sanji already showed the beginnings of this ability in WCI before he got the raid suit?

 

[Robin swan]

You can when Sanji already showed the beginnings of this ability in WCI before he got the raid suit?

Did he have the ability or use it at all against queen before the exoskeleton? Sanji speed blitz oven is not the same as constantly moving so fast you seem to disappear to your opponent. Sanji attacked oven off guard while he disappeared right in front of queen. Sanji couldn't even move that fast vs anyone when he got the RS yet you wanna argue Sanji could do it already? How could Sanji do it already when even with the RS that boosted his speed past his base he couldn't do something like that?

Again the exoskeleton boosted all of sanji's stats so yea it's because of the exoskeleton. Oda didn't separate Sanji for the exoskeleton but just said Sanji did it because of his speed. Sanji speed with the exoskeleton is sanji's new speed you can't separate the 2 because once Sanji got the exoskeleton he became a permanent part of him.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Did he have the ability or use it at all against queen before the exoskeleton? Sanji speed blitz oven is not the same as constantly moving so fast you seem to disappear to your opponent. Sanji attacked oven off guard while he disappeared right in front of queen. Sanji couldn't even move that fast vs anyone when he got the RS yet you wanna argue Sanji could do it already? How could Sanji do it already when even with the RS that boosted his speed past his base he couldn't do something like that?

Again the exoskeleton boosted all of sanji's stats so yea it's because of the exoskeleton. Oda didn't separate Sanji for the exoskeleton but just said Sanji did it because of his speed. Sanji speed with the exoskeleton is sanji's new speed you can't separate the 2 because once Sanji got the exoskeleton he became a permanent part of him.

Sanji was unable to move properly during the queen fight. He said so himself his body was feeling wrong

Sanji showed this back in WCI.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Wasn’t this known since the introduction to the ability?

His Exoskeleton's innate power would be invisibility, so fans wonder if him becoming invisible is due to that, to superspeed, or have both simultaneously.